Buy a bog campaign

Hondo75

The team at ipcc are hoping to buy Girley Bog in county meath , and need 63,000 euro...every euro is doubled by Support of the Dutch Foundation for Conservation of Irish Bogs...

Nice Xmas present for someone

thanks

http://www.ipcc.ie/nature-shop/#!/~/product/category=3094769&id=13415164

http://www.ipcc.ie/nature-shop/#!/~/product/category=3094769&id=27907133

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magicbastarder

i had thought the IPCC had already bought girley bog?

http://www.meathchronicle.ie/news/roundup/articles/2013/10/02/4017831-girley-bog-lands-bought-for-loop-walk/

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

I too thought it was already purchased in a joint venture. They hardly want the public to pay for it after the event!

Prodigal Son

Why not?

No landowner will wait around while you fundraise. Many of the NGOs I have sene abroad do this - they guarantee that they can pay to save a bog or a forest using money already raised and then backfill with a fundraiser.

Chisler2

Prodigal Son wrote: »

Why not?

No landowner will wait around while you fundraise. Many of the NGOs I have sene abroad do this - they guarantee that they can pay to save a bog or a forest using money already raised and then backfill with a fundraiser.

Will they then undertake maintenance and monitoring so the vandalism occurring currently in Donegal is not repeated here? The 'gestures' are worthy in themselves but it's the longhaul that's missing!

Prodigal Son

What makes you think the longhaul is missing.

I'm not a spokesman for them, but their website indicates they look after several bogs and have done for decades.

I think there's a difference between a public body like NPWS and a private group. The NPWS can be forced by pressure or policy to weaken protection or turn a blind eye. Or in some cases, a designation doesnt clearly extinguish property rights.

but if a private group buys the land - then I assume they buy out the turbary rights and everything else as well.

robp

Prodigal Son wrote: »

What makes you think the longhaul is missing.

I'm not a spokesman for them, but their website indicates they look after several bogs and have done for decades.

I think there's a difference between a public body like NPWS and a private group. The NPWS can be forced by pressure or policy to weaken protection or turn a blind eye. Or in some cases, a designation doesnt clearly extinguish property rights.

but if a private group buys the land - then I assume they buy out the turbary rights and everything else as well.

Exactly. The various conservation private groups are very well motivated and do a lot for their size. After all it was the one (Irish Wildlife Trust) who reported and shone the spotlight on the NPWS. The Irish Wildlife Trust also does SAC watches which really is a task that a public body should be be taking care of. Likewise, Friends of the Irish Environment also helps with regulation.

the criticism I would have of the various groups is that they don't do enough of these land purchases. Although I understand they are complicated expensive longterm projects.

Desmo

robp wrote: »

Exactly. The various conservation private groups are very well motivated and do a lot for their size. After all it was the one (Irish Wildlife Trust) who reported and shone the spotlight on the NPWS. The Irish Wildlife Trust also does SAC watches which really is a task that a public body should be be taking care of. Likewise, Friends of the Irish Environment also helps with regulation.

the criticism I would have of the various groups is that they don't do enough of these land purchases. Although I understand they are complicated expensive longterm projects.

Buying land takes money up front and then money for maintenance afterwards and the owners may not wish to sell. The IPCC were among the first people to very loudly point out the rate of disappearance of intact Irish bogs, back in the 1980s. Since then they have bought bogs and carried out a lot of publicity work. They do it on a shoestring though.

robp

Desmo wrote: »

Buying land takes money up front and then money for maintenance afterwards and the owners may not wish to sell. The IPCC were among the first people to very loudly point out the rate of disappearance of intact Irish bogs, back in the 1980s. Since then they have bought bogs and carried out a lot of publicity work. They do it on a shoestring though.

Absolutely and also the Irish Woodland Trust. They now have six woodland reserves. Their efforts deserve much praise.

Prodigal Son

so it seems like these two organisations are doing the business?

does anyone know much about the woodland trust? I had never heard of them before, they seem to have appeared from nowhere.

I always thought of Crann & Tree council as the main organisations in the forestry area - but they always seemed a bit more commercial than ecologically focussed. They also seem fairly quiet.

It also struck me that these two organisations have an unusual partnership - are there any other organisations that work together like this?

robp

Prodigal Son wrote: »

so it seems like these two organisations are doing the business?

does anyone know much about the woodland trust? I had never heard of them before, they seem to have appeared from nowhere.

I always thought of Crann & Tree council as the main organisations in the forestry area - but they always seemed a bit more commercial than ecologically focussed. They also seem fairly quiet.

It also struck me that these two organisations have an unusual partnership - are there any other organisations that work together like this?

The Irish woodland trust have existed for a long time but seemed to be dormant for a while with one reserve but recently they have gotten very active.

The Irish wildlife trust also have some reserves as do another group green Sod Ireland

Prodigal Son

Thanks robp - must look into membership & volunteering the NWT & IPCC - maybe IWT as well.

I think all these practical groups deserve our support and membership & volunteering is the first step.

Chisler2

Prodigal Son wrote: »

Thanks robp - must look into membership & volunteering the NWT & IPCC - maybe IWT as well.

I think all these practical groups deserve our support and membership & volunteering is the first step.

Yes - thank you so much for that information Robp. Having viewed the Irish Woodland Trust website I'm joining up!