Need Help on clearing an import

fiestaman

ok so my dad bought a 1990 Ford Escort XR3i from the uk 2 years ago. When he went to clear it he had to take it to the NCT centre. They gave a price of €1800 to clear it and he said f**k that , its too dear and left it in the garage until september when all this thing about taxing and putting things in your name. Went to revenue office and sat down with a man and he told him he needed some certs from the uk and when he got them to go back in and they would value it and clear it. So he goes in today and they say its €1200 to clear but €1250 penelties for not clearing it with in a certain time. Now he says hes defo not paying that. Is there any way out?? If he was to sell the car to another person or garage then is he still liable for the money owed or would the new owner be liable, or would it be squashed? He dosent mind paying the €1200 but not paying the penos. The car was never on the road here. Can anyone help?

ba_barabus

fiestaman wrote: »

Can anyone help?

No.

He will have to pay it and appeal it but I can't see any reason why he would win the appeal.

corktina

he is done for having already given them the details..they know when it came in and will charge accordingly.

Esel

Sell it back to the UK?

Atlantic Dawn

"Bring" the car across the border with NIRL and conduct a sale to someone else writting a receipt in the process, new owner brings down and VRT's, simple, case closed*.


*However if your father doesn't have the V5 document the whole thing becomes a massive mess to reregister.

rugbyman

Trailer the car to newry, get your dad to sell it to you, you bring it back and import it. If you are unsure of whether this will work, ask the nct people.
Better still , dont import it, its too dear. But perhaps ask around ford people what is a realistic value for the car, imported. To suggest that its open market value is 4800is a crazy.
But since they are not common , there may not be much evidence for an appeal.i.e. adverts
The car is 6 years from being virtually free to import, to import it now( at 1250) is a 'fine' of two hundred p.a. to drive it a few thousand miles
I got reprimanded for stating my opinion on what your dads best option is (I.m.o.)
Regards

rugbyman

Ah, Atlantic Dawn, what a way with words you have ,,.....' bring'...

fiestaman

Will he not be still liable for the money owed though?

JohnBoy26

Now that revenue know how long the car is here you will have no choice but to pay the penalties.

I know it's a bit late to say this but your dad should really have done his homework before importing. He would of saved himself a lot of hassle at the end of the day.

Irish Steve

It gets a lot more complicated, as there is also a minimum value for VRT, based on the minimum OMSP of €2000, so if you pick up a vehicle that's in need of repair work, (blown engine perhaps) and pay say €500 for a vehicle that might sell here for 2000, even if they accept that the OMSP in the condition it arrived in is below 2000, they still charge VRT based on the 2000 figure, so possibly 6 or 700 euro for a vehicle that's worth way less than 2000,

all in all, yet another rip off scenario

rugbyman

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Now that revenue know how long the car is here you will have no choice but to pay the penalties.

I know it's a bit late to say this but your dad should really have done his homework before importing. He would of saved himself a lot of hassle at the end of the day.

John boy, this cannot be true, if the ops father says f.this and sells the car to a dealer in Newry (say), then you (say) comes along and buys it, no penalty can apply to you.

Imo this car is not worth more than 2000 euro , duty paid, so 700 should be the duty.
But though,the revenue are reasonable enough re appeals, the lack of other xr3i s for sale in ireland, will prove a problem in offering evidence of value.

Regards

rugbyman

Having time to surf, I found no xr3is in the south, and one , unpriced in NI on donedeal.
On a strange to me site , Muamar or something a roi reg for 1450 euro.
A quick uk search had them from 1k to 5 k for a minter

corktina

rugbyman wrote: »

John boy, this cannot be true, if the ops father says f.this and sells the car to a dealer in Newry (say), then you (say) comes along and buys it, no penalty can apply to you.

Imo this car is not worth more than 2000 euro , duty paid, so 700 should be the duty.
But though,the revenue are reasonable enough re appeals, the lack of other xr3i s for sale in ireland, will prove a problem in offering evidence of value.

Regards

I think it probably is true. Irrespective of whether he sells the car out of the country again, he had an obligation to register the car on import and didn't and they know that. There is however a mechanism to claim back VRT on export, but I doubt that covers the "fine" as well though.

I have know cases where a Customs Officer has left an "offender" off if he puts the car "beyond use" by cutting the chassis but that was a while ago.

fiestaman

thanks all