Speed Limits

guinnessdrinker

Is there such a thing as a 55 kph zone does anyone know?

I was driving this evening and I noticed a yellow sign warning about upcoming dangerous bends and I thought I glimpsed a speed limit of 55kph on the sign (but I could have misread this).

Most or all speed limit signs have he speed limit in black font in a white background with red circle so that is why I am wondering about this particular sign. This was a national primary road.

sentient_6

Just before sligo on the n4 by any chance?

guinnessdrinker

On the Sligo side of Castlebaldwin.

sentient_6

Ya i know the one your on about. To be honest i'm curious about it myself. There's other 100km signs both ways & there is regularly a speed van just after the sign heading sligo direction. Of course. It's been there since at least the beginning of the road works on the bend after. Maybe they 'forgot' to take it away since.

guinnessdrinker

There was no van there this evening when I drove past but I do wonder if the speed van was parked behind that particular sign are they looking for vehicles exceeding 100 kph or 55 kph?

Lando Griffin

Off topic a bit but on the M8 North past Cashill I think it goes from 120kmph to 80kmph just for about a km.

mgbgt1978

There's an exit off the M20 Motorway at Raheen in Limerick with something similar.
The bend as you leave the motorway is so severe that they have installed yellow 45kmh signs........just 20 metres in front of the original 'red-circled' 60 kmh signs :rolleyes:.

Apart from that, the rules of the road state that only the signs with a red circle are the actual speed limit, anything else is just advisory (such as the all Black signs seen at roadworks).

Noccy_Mondy

Seeing as ye're talking about road signs, does anyone know what this sign means? I pass it every day and it's not in any rules of the road book. It's at a bridge, if that means anything. I've done a crude painting of it

Artur4613

means "other danger" pretty common in continental Europe

challengemaster

Any speed limits ending in 5 aren't legal limits, only advisory.

DanWall

+ 1

CiniO

Also I don't think that sign stating speed limit in "kph" unit can be legal. There is no such unit.

sentient_6

CiniO wrote: »

Also I don't think that sign stating speed limit in "kph" unit can be legal. There is no such unit.

Give it a rest.

CiniO

sentient_6 wrote: »

Give it a rest.

No I'm serious now. I know on the forum it's just a matter of attention to details.

But if speed on the road sign would be indicated in unknown unit like "kph" how can someone be prosecuted for breaking the limit.

If they wrote speed limit on sign like "60 wfj" would you know what the speed limit is?

Mycroft H

CiniO wrote: »

No I'm serious now. I know on the forum it's just a matter of attention to details.

But if speed on the road sign would be indicated in unknown unit like "kph" how can someone be prosecuted for breaking the limit.

If they wrote speed limit on sign like "60 wfj" would you know what the speed limit is?

Because we've used KM/H since 2006?

L-M

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Off topic a bit but on the M8 North past Cashill I think it goes from 120kmph to 80kmph just for about a km.

Good craic that corner.

Look at the fence the next time, it's had many repair jobs.

sentient_6

BX 19 wrote: »

Because we've used KM/H since 2006?

He's actually making the distinction between 'kph' and 'km/h'. The latter being the correct form.

Lando Griffin

Limerick man wrote: »

Good craic that corner.

Look at the fence the next time, it's had many repair jobs.

So soneone designed a corner for a 120 kmph motorway thats not safe at that speed. FFS!

CiniO

BX 19 wrote: »

Because we've used KM/H since 2006?

Was it not 2005?
And it's "km/h" not "KM/H"... Jeysus.

Anyway - I think only those signs set speed limits in Ireland.
Anything else is not legally binding.

Cookie_Monster

CiniO wrote: »

No I'm serious now. I know on the forum it's just a matter of attention to details.

But if speed on the road sign would be indicated in unknown unit like "kph" how can someone be prosecuted for breaking the limit.

it's not unknown, everyone knows what it means and most people will say 'kph' rather than 'km/h' in everyday speech

challengemaster

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it's not unknown, everyone knows what it means and most people will say 'kph' rather than 'km/h' in everyday speech

If Cinio doesn't get his daily dose of anally retentive motors pedanticism... he probably will explode :pac:

CiniO

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

it's not unknown, everyone knows what it means and most people will say 'kph' rather than 'km/h' in everyday speech

Maybe it's not unknown to some, but it might be unknown to others.
If there is a road signs stating the speed limit in kph, then no one can expect drivers to obey it, just because such unit doesn't exist.

Cookie_Monster

challengemaster wrote: »

If Cinio doesn't get his daily dose of anally retentive motors pedanticism... he probably will explode :pac:

Oh, I know. sometimes it's fun to see where it goes though.

sentient_6

CiniO wrote: »

Maybe it's not unknown to some, but it might be unknown to others.
If there is a road signs stating the speed limit in kph, then no one can expect drivers to obey it, just because such unit doesn't exist.

But there isn't! Its just the way the op phrased it. Jesus.

Cookie_Monster

CiniO wrote: »

If there is a road signs stating the speed limit in kph, then no one can expect drivers to obey it, just because such unit doesn't exist.

Thankfully nearly everyone can apply common sense to it and follow the sign, obviously you'll be the exception.

Or maybe the OP just wrote it that way as it's easier.

C.K Dexter Haven

challengemaster wrote: »

Any speed limits ending in 5 aren't legal limits, only advisory.

What's the reason we don't have 70km zones or 90km zones in Ireland, any idea? Think they would be quite useful.

L-M

Lando Griffin wrote: »

So soneone designed a corner for a 120 kmph motorway thats not safe at that speed. FFS!

No no. It going from technically a national road up and around onto a motorway. Its a single lang merger type thing.

wonski

CiniO wrote: »

Was it not 2005?
And it's "km/h" not "KM/H"... Jeysus.

Anyway - I think only those signs set speed limits in Ireland.
Anything else is not legally binding.

So if there is no km/h at all, the sign is not legally binding?. Most of the signs i go by everyday do not have the km/h, kph or whatever written on it. Just the number. Can I fight it in court claiming my car is from 2000, and the speedo reads in miles, so I assumed it was miles???
I don't think so

wonski

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

What's the reason we don't have 70km zones or 90km zones in Ireland, any idea? Think they would be quite useful.

They would have to create a new type of roads to do this:D
Too difficult for them to put 70 on regional road, even if doing 50 on some of them is suicidal.

CiniO

wonski wrote: »

So if there is no km/h at all, the sign is not legally binding?. Most of the signs i go by everyday do not have the km/h, kph or whatever written on it. Just the number.

AFAIK speed limit sign format is defined in the appropriate act, so all is clear here.
Speed limit sign always consists of speed and km/h written on the bottom.
I've never seen different ones.
If speed limit sign looked different, you could argue that it wasn't legal sign.
I don't think you see those signs without km/h written on them. Check next time you are driving there.

What I was more about was road works signs or garda messages on electronic displays. If that said f.e. "Speed limit of 30kph applies" I'm sure you could argue in court that you didn't understood what kph means.

Can I fight it in court claiming my car is from 2000, and the speedo reads in miles, so I assumed it was miles???
I don't think so

I don't think so either. It's your obligation to know what speed you are doing, no matter what your speedo shows.

wonski

[QUOTE
AFAIK speed limit sign format is defined in the appropriate act, so all is clear here.
Speed limit sign always consists of speed and km/h written on the bottom.
I've never seen different ones.
If speed limit sign looked different, you could argue that it wasn't legal sign.
I don't think you see those signs without km/h written on them. Check next time you are driving there.
[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected here. My brain only reads digits apparently. To be honest I didn't notice until now:o
Probably have to use that excuse now in court of justice:D

Victor

Lando Griffin wrote: »

Off topic a bit but on the M8 North past Cashill I think it goes from 120kmph to 80kmph just for about a km.

It is south of Cahir, the motorway curves to the right and the camber matches, meaning the road drains towards the median. however, there is nowhere for the water to go. In heavy rain or frosty conditions, the road can be very unsafe (despite being a new motorway).

Cookie_Monster

CiniO wrote: »

I don't think so either. It's your obligation to know what speed you are doing, no matter what your speedo shows.

considering the all over read that's not really practical unless you're a maths genius.

You'd love New Zealand; every corner has signs like this on it http://goo.gl/maps/s2516
100km/h road with different suggest speeds on each corner. Of course you don't have to heed the signs but it'd make for an interesting cornering experience then.

wonski

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

considering the all over read that's not really practical unless you're a maths genius.

You'd love New Zealand; every corner has signs like this on it http://goo.gl/maps/s2516
100km/h road with different suggest speeds on each corner. Of course you don't have to heed the signs but it'd make for an interesting cornering experience then.

And this is how we do it over here:

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?saddr=Kilcullen,+Ireland&daddr=Kildare,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=53.171306,-6.861176&spn=0.007216,0.021136&sll=53.137297,-6.839333&sspn=0.028886,0.084543&geocode=FS60KgMdQROZ_ylJKcHywYBnSDFw7DGXqccACg%3BFRYkKwMdgJGW_ymTE25fxXhdSDEgdDGXqccACg&oq=kildare&mra=ls&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.171468,-6.861013&panoid=i91CB-h855vq9VaAnVXKrQ&cbp=12,24.49,,0,1.74

And to make it more nteresting - when you going in the opposite direction, and there are no horses and the road can squeeze two cars, the limit is 60???

http://goo.gl/maps/1K2vK

Granted, there are some sheeps all over the place, but the first one with 80, just because the so called regional road starts there, is a joke.

Cookie_Monster

wonski wrote: »

And this is how we do it over here:

And to make it more nteresting - when you going in the opposite direction, and there are no horses and the road can squeeze two cars, the limit is 60???

http://goo.gl/maps/1K2vK

Granted, there are some sheeps all over the place, but the first one with 80, just because the so called regional road starts there, is a joke.

that's alright though, they've got km/h on them so we'll be safe.

Victor

wonski wrote: »

And this is how we do it over here:

https://maps.google.co.nz/maps?saddr=Kilcullen,+Ireland&daddr=Kildare,+Ireland&hl=en&ll=53.171306,-6.861176&spn=0.007216,0.021136&sll=53.137297,-6.839333&sspn=0.028886,0.084543&geocode=FS60KgMdQROZ_ylJKcHywYBnSDFw7DGXqccACg%3BFRYkKwMdgJGW_ymTE25fxXhdSDEgdDGXqccACg&oq=kildare&mra=ls&t=m&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.171468,-6.861013&panoid=i91CB-h855vq9VaAnVXKrQ&cbp=12,24.49,,0,1.74

And to make it more nteresting - when you going in the opposite direction, and there are no horses and the road can squeeze two cars, the limit is 60???

http://goo.gl/maps/1K2vK

Granted, there are some sheeps all over the place, but the first one with 80, just because the so called regional road starts there, is a joke.

Kildare County Council has the worst speed limits in the country.

wonski

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that's alright though, they've got km/h on them so we'll be safe.

Safe, and legal!
If you follow the road in the link, You wouldn't like to do it in m/h (hope I spelled it correctly here). In km/h, as you said, it's safe:D

wonski

Victor wrote: »

Kildare County Council has the worst speed limits in the county.

They are just generic, 80 for R roads. How that road became a Regional one is a mystery to me.

wonski

Victor wrote: »

Kildare County Council has the worst speed limits in the county.

Not a bad result, given they are only in charge of one county at the moment (sorry, couldn't resist...)

Victor

wonski wrote: »

They are just generic, 80 for R roads. How that road became a Regional one is a mystery to me.

The side road over the bridge there is a local road, the road along the Curragh is a regional road and has bye-laws setting the 60km/h speed limit - while its not the best/worst road, the sheep have very poor lane discipline and no indicators.

wonski wrote: »

Not a bad result, given they are only in charge of one county at the moment (sorry, couldn't resist...)

Apologies, I have actually gone through about 10 sets of speed limit bye-laws (I've just done a 98-page submission on Fingal) in fine detail and the Kildare ones are the least appropriate for its roads.