Lane positioning question

norrie rugger

So a guy hit into me this morning. Won't prejudice any comments by giving too much details (yet) but could you lads take a look at this image and tell me what lanes should be taken (for cars turning right, off the bridge)
Some of you will know this junction by the fourcourts

On the bridge:
Lane 1 is straight ahead only
Lane 2 is straight ahead and right turn
Lane 3 is right turn only.

If the cars on the two right hand turns (Black and silver car) turn onto the quay,
what lanes should they occupy, on the quay.

The inner most lane, of the quay is a bus lane (so only two public lanes)

El Guapo!

Silver car stays in tight and ends up in the outside lane.
Black car goes into middle lane.

whomitconcerns

have seen the inside lane cars take this wide myself many times...you have to be careful there if in lane 2

norrie rugger

El Guapo! wrote: »

Silver car stays in tight and ends up in the outside lane.
Black car goes into middle lane.

That's what I thought.

coolisin

As already posted, if your in the middle lane of the bridge middle lane of the road quays, right lane on bridge right on the quays.

Although most Irish drivers believe they need to perform a slow moving Finnish flick here and swing out, or as I'd say happen to you, think they have right of way over the two lanes.
These people decide when it suits them which lane to be in.
Here's hoping his insurance will make him learn about lanes.

Always hate travelling at that junction.

djimi

Its two lanes going into two lanes. I know the junction and its not complicated, unfortunately too many people either dont know how to or dont bother reading road markings.

When taking that corner I usually sit in the left hand lane and then swing into the bus lane momentarily if possible so as to give the person in the inside lane as little chance of hitting me as possible. Not correct driving of course, but it has served me well so far!

norrie rugger

Most of you guys twigged what happened, immediately.
I am used to the junction myself and am cautious on it but he hit me rear right panel area (don't know what the hell he was looking at).
I could see him in my wing mirror but had traffic on my left (could not take evasive)

YbFocus

I'd say he was doing the old trailer swing and strayed into your Lane, clipping you.
Was there much harm done?

By the way how did you get satellite images of you this morning

mitosis

One other thing that happens, is the car in the middle lane cuts the corner and forces the car on his right to brake or hit him in the panel right.

norrie rugger

YbFocus wrote: »

I'd say he was doing the old trailer swing and strayed into your Lane, clipping you.
Was there much harm done?

By the way how did you get satellite images of you this morning

No harm, deep scratches to bumper and panels. No injuries.
My car fared better than his taxi, his passengers are willing to witness for me.

Lovely Google maps having perfectly positioned cars for the sample pic was a piece of luck, indeed.

norrie rugger

mitosis wrote: »

One other thing that happens, is the car in the middle lane cuts the corner and forces the car on his right to brake or hit him in the rear right.

Nah, the collision took place away from the corner, towards the junction box. I have pics showing the car positions (I am fully in my lane and he is half in his and mine)

Artur4613

Hi everyone. I just took my time to set new account to answer.
The satelite image is more or less 3 years old. If you look today on the road markings you will see that the middle lane on the bridge has Straight Only arrow painted (noticed it about a year ago).
So: 3 lanes on the bridge.
Left lane - straight only
Middle lane - straight only
This 2 lane should carefully merge together on Chancery Place which is (very wide) one lane one way street.
The right lane on the bridge is for turning right only.
By definition when you turn right from one way street you take your position to the left. Finishing the turn on the Ormond Quay you must take left lane next to the bus lane (or Bus Lane itself when not in operation or when driving Taxi or Bus).
Now I noticed that road markings has changed on this bridge about a year ago (middle lane doesn't allow you to make the right turn anymore, it's painted straight only). Still you will see at least 50% of the car from the middle lane making the right turn onto the Quay. Any vehicle turning right from middle lane is in my opinion at fault when accident happens.

Chris_Heilong

This just got interesting.

DuckSlice

Where abouts is the junction? Can you give a wider pic so we can see for ourselves on google maps.

vandriver

The middle lane has no markings on it at all presently.

norrie rugger

actually that no. The markings are still there but almost completely worn down. Actually came down to look at it. Centre lane can still turn right

norrie rugger

have pics of the markings but on terrible old phone

Tea 1000

Artur4613 wrote: »

Hi everyone. I just took my time to set new account to answer.
The satelite image is more or less 3 years old. If you look today on the road markings you will see that the middle lane on the bridge has Straight Only arrow painted (noticed it about a year ago).
So: 3 lanes on the bridge.
Left lane - straight only
Middle lane - straight only
This 2 lane should carefully merge together on Chancery Place which is (very wide) one lane one way street.
The right lane on the bridge is for turning right only.
By definition when you turn right from one way street you take your position to the left. Finishing the turn on the Ormond Quay you must take left lane next to the bus lane (or Bus Lane itself when not in operation or when driving Taxi or Bus).
Now I noticed that road markings has changed on this bridge about a year ago (middle lane doesn't allow you to make the right turn anymore, it's painted straight only). Still you will see at least 50% of the car from the middle lane making the right turn onto the Quay. Any vehicle turning right from middle lane is in my opinion at fault when accident happens.

But if the tip happened up towards the junction box, then they're far enough away from the junction to render it unimportant as to the moves made before the tip. If he's fully occupying a lane and is aligned straight in it, then the move is complete, and if the taxi hit him in the rear quarter panel, then it's not an easy one to get out of.

vandriver

Untitled by vandriver, on Flickr

coolisin

Well either way wrong lane or not, as it appears!
He hit the rear of the car, does this not make him in the wrong?

Funny it's being a over year sinced I used the junction.

norrie rugger

have pics of the markings but on terrible old phone

norrie rugger

vandriver wrote: »

Untitled by vandriver, on Flickr

you can just about see the marking still there. I walked to it and took a pic. I will post it later.

vandriver

Looked to me like it had been torched off.

YbFocus

Was there a lane width change? As that marking is no longer in the centre and doesn't seem to correspond to the lane anymore.
As van driver said it does indeed look burnt off.
The other one, while worn is still there.

norrie rugger

even if not, there is no marking dictating a forbidden right turn. I would still take it as right turn

djimi

I drove that road only a few days ago and Im fairly sure that there is a marking of some description there.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

djimi wrote: »

I drove that road only a few days ago and Im fairly sure that there is a marking of some description there.

Ditto. In my spin around leinster last weekend I passed through that junction twice and I could have sworn there was a discernable marking on the road.

(Unless of course, someone "removed" it in the interim)

hullaballoo

I think they've changed the entire layout of the bridge and removed the markings to facilitate the six inches of cycle lane you can see on the left.

I drive over that bridge a few times a week and it seems a lot of people are confused by it, even with markings.

I usually take the middle lane to go straight so I can park on the right on Chancery Street but because Chancery Street isn't marked as having two lanes, people just drive wherever they want all over it.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

i imagine now that its more over to the right by the looks of it that you can still turn right in middle lane but would like to see the update my self !

my grief are the lanes on the south keys where i almost nearly have an accident everytime cos idiots dont turn with the lanes but instead jump across them.

http://goo.gl/maps/KTeTZ

for that length of "A" and "B" nobody seems to follow the lanes at all. fecking useless idiots.

Cleveland Hot Pocket

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

i imagine now that its more over to the right by the looks of it that you can still turn right in middle lane but would like to see the update my self !

my grief are the lanes on the south keys where i almost nearly have an accident everytime cos idiots dont turn with the lanes but instead jump across them.

http://goo.gl/maps/KTeTZ

for that length of "A" and "B" nobody seems to follow the lanes at all. fecking useless idiots.

That is Ireland in a nutshell!;)

norrie rugger

If you look at the attached images, I think that they were not burned off.

I think that someone got lazy and let the original markings in place, after the lane adjustment.

The centre lane marking is now directly under the wheel track of vehicles and has been all but worn away. The reason I imagine that no burning took place is that there are no scorch marks that always remain after that and there is plenty of "White" paint remaining

BMJD

I haven't driven on that bridge/road for a while now but it has been the two lanes could turn right for many many years. IMO if they change the layout to having only the right-most lane being allowed turn right then there should be a warning sign advising that the road layout has changed.

norrie rugger

Update: Between my pictures, description and witness from HIS car; I was in the right.

kaimera

Hmm, intrigued.

To me, it's a bit of a stretch to say with those road markings from your pic that it's a right turn middle lane.

Also, curious to know how it works if it doesn't explicitly say no right turn from middle (particularly when in this case there are two lanes when you turn right)

tbh, most junctions with a double turn lane to double lane aren't used correctly.

norrie rugger

the lane is officially a right turn apparently (or straight on)
Also the tip occured after my turning action had been completed

edit, meant to say that the decision came from the insurance company

kaimera

norrie rugger wrote: »

the lane is officially a right turn apparently (or straight on)
Also the tip occured after my turning action had been completed

edit, meant to say that the decision came from the insurance company

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