Travelling abroad while on bail

mrs moneypenny

Don't know if this is the right forum to ask on but I really need some advice please. Mods, please move to the appropriate forum if necessary.

I live in the Canary Islands with my partner. My partner's brother has been charged with child abuse in England and is out on bail living with the elderly parents (for reasons that are beyond me)!! I detest the guy and have witnessed very inappropriate behaviour the last time he was here. The elderly parents have booked to come here with the scumbag on holiday to my horror. So far, it's causing nothing but arguements between my other half and myself.

Is it true that he can travel while on bail? This is sickening me to the core, the thought of it. I've told my partner that I'll go back to Ireland for the duration that the scumbag' is here but in honestly, I can't really afford it. Is there a way I can report him proposing to travel or try and stop it?

Potatoeman

If your partner knows you don't want him there I would say they'll figure it out if you report them. It's a pretty odd situation though.

ABajaninCork

For something as serious as this, the court usually make you sign at the cop shop every week/fortnight and surrender the passport. Are you sure this is not the case here??

It's also very odd he's been given bail for such a serious offence...

I'd try to speak to your partner again. Try to have a calm discussion with him. If that doesn't work, then yes, absolutely I'd report the brother and hang the consequences. How does your partner know his brother won't be a flight risk -i.e deciding the weather in the Canaries is sooo nice he might stay on! :eek:

ManOfMystery

What's your partner's take on the situation?

Merkin

I think it depends if he poses a flight risk. It usually depends on the severity of the offense as well - have a look here

http://www.cps.gov.uk/publications/prosecution/rrpbcrbook_annex_c.html

Aside from anything else, would you not actually talk to your partner about this? Do you have children together? How was his behavior inappropriate last time? I mean, he has been charged with quite possibly the most depraved and evil thing a human being can do so I think you are perfectly within your rights to say you don't want to act mein host to a paedophile. You're NOT being unreasonable. I'd be putting my foot down in this instance.

Santa Cruz

mrs moneypenny wrote: »

Don't know if this is the right forum to ask on but I really need some advice please. Mods, please move to the appropriate forum if necessary.

I live in the Canary Islands with my partner. My partner's brother has been charged with child abuse in England and is out on bail living with the elderly parents (for reasons that are beyond me)!! I detest the guy and have witnessed very inappropriate behaviour the last time he was here. The elderly parents have booked to come here with the scumbag on holiday to my horror. So far, it's causing nothing but arguements between my other half and myself.

Is it true that he can travel while on bail? This is sickening me to the core, the thought of it. I've told my partner that I'll go back to Ireland for the duration that the scumbag' is here but in honestly, I can't really afford it. Is there a way I can report him proposing to travel or try and stop it?

It's not that unusual that a person charged with a crime is given bail especially if they have no previous form.

I would definitely report to the Gardaí that he intends leaving the jurisdiction. If the charges are as serious as you say then he is facing jail. I would say that the Gardaí would immediately apply to have his bail terms changed, surrender the passport and maybe require an independent person to go surety for him.

PapaQuebec

Santa Cruz wrote: »

It's not that unusual that a person charged with a crime is given bail especially if they have no previous form.

I would definitely report to the Gardaí that he intends leaving the jurisdiction. If the charges are as serious as you say then he is facing jail. I would say that the Gardaí would immediately apply to have his bail terms changed, surrender the passport and maybe require an independent person to go surety for him.

From my reading of the OP it would seem that the offences occurred in the UK and the accused is on UK police bail

username123

Charged? Not convicted? How do you know he is guilty?

That said, I would not have anyone I despise in my home. And your partner needs to respect that.

ABajaninCork

username123 wrote: »

Charged? Not convicted? How do you know he is guilty?

That said, I would not have anyone I despise in my home. And your partner needs to respect that.

The OP never said the guy was guilty. Only that he'd been charged in the UK with child abuse offences. She also stated the brother behaved inappropriately. What form this behaviour took, we don't know.

username123

ABajaninCork wrote: »

The OP never said the guy was guilty. Only that he'd been charged in the UK with child abuse offences. She also stated the brother behaved inappropriately. What form this behaviour took, we don't know.

That observation was more a general one, there has already been one post stating the OP doesn't have to host a paedophile, but we do not know that the person is a paedophile. Child abuse could mean violence or neglect. I am simply wary of jumping to conclusions based on such scanty information or judging people guilty before being proved innocent.

Big Bag of Chips

Can we stick to the topic, and give advice on what the OP asked for. Speculating on what he has been charged with is not the issue here.

mrs moneypenny

Thanks for the replies guys.

The brother is being very 'sketchy' about it to say the least, he won't show the charge sheet to the parents but from what we gather, he's told another brother that he's been charged with sexual abuse of a minor (one of his step daughters) and rape.

We know that he's been ordered by the court to stay away from the children of the family (his own included) and indeed even to stay away from his wife.

He was here on holiday last year with the step daughters and elderly parents, the child (15) caught chickenpox and despite the fact she had a similar aged sister to put her cream on, the 'brother' tried to insist that he did it, from what I witnessed, it made the kid very very uncomfortable. In the end, the sister did it. The elderly father of my partner even commented that it was more of a 'boyfriend/girlfriend' relationship :mad:

Now I know no-one would want to think any family member would be guilty or capable of these charges but my partner's very much of the opinion 'guilty until proven innocent'. In an ideal world, so am I usually but not in these circumstances.

I don't want him around me (no, I don't have children with my partner).

Someone has suggested that I contact the relevant Magistrates Court and tell them that he's proposing to travel here and not return (that way, if his passport hasn't already been taken off him), they WILL do it. I'm not too sure how I feel about this as I don't know if it's true or not.

It's a bit of a delicate situation between my partner and myself at the moment .......... we don't know for sure if his passport has been removed as he hasn't said. At the best of times, the bloke is a twat anyway and is the sort that would let the elderly parents book and pay for everything anyway (even though he could possibly know himself that he can't travel).

I'm walking on shells at the moment, the parents are due to ring towards the end of the week anyway so hopefully that may reveal something either way.

Merkin

OK well above anything else this is your HOME. As this is your own home, your rules apply. If you are not happy with having a suspected paedophile staying under your roof then you are perfectly entitled to say that. It doesn't matter if he is your own brother, your brother in law, it doesn't matter who the hell he is, if you are uncomfortable with it then you need to put your foot down and say he is not welcome.

If he is guilty of this kind of depraved behaviour how do you know he won't use the opportunity while abroad and incognito to take advantage of a local child or neighbour? From a selfish point of view what kind of position would that leave you or your partner in within your local community? I think you're being far too tolerant tbh, I'd be telling him he's not welcome....end of.

aidan24326

Merkin wrote: »

I'd be telling him he's not welcome....end of.

Why though? If the OP doesn't want him around because she hates him/finds him creepy or whatever, then fair enough. OP, you're perfectly entitled to not want him around if he makes you uncomfortable.

However, at this point he is only charged with abusing a minor, he has not yet been convicted of anything and the fact he's been granted bail suggests he doesn't have any previous. So to go branding him a paedophile at this point in time is unfair.

Santa Cruz

PapaQuebec wrote: »

From my reading of the OP it would seem that the offences occurred in the UK and the accused is on UK police bail

I apologise for my error. Just change Garda to Police. I would say that the UK police and justice system are far more tougher as regards bail and if the UK police become aware of this the man will be taken into custody

Merkin

aidan24326 wrote: »

However, at this point he is only charged with abusing a minor, he has not yet been convicted of anything

Oh for goodness sake. There's a barring order or equivalent from him going near his stepchildren, his own children and his wife. It's not like the crime is a bit of petty thieving or insurance fraud. He has been charged with the sexual abuse of a minor and rape. He has also displayed inappropriate behaviour and he gives the OP the creeps. Fine, he is not a convicted paedophile but given the brevity of his alleged crimes then the OP is perfectly entitled to say she doesn't want him near her home.

aidan24326

Merkin wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake. There's a barring order or equivalent from him going near his stepchildren, his own children and his wife. It's not like the crime is a bit of petty thieving or insurance fraud. He has been charged with the sexual abuse of a minor and rape. He has also displayed inappropriate behaviour and he gives the OP the creeps. Fine, he is not a convicted paedophile but given the brevity of his alleged crimes then the OP is perfectly entitled to say she doesn't want him near her home.

Of course she is, he obviously makes her feel uncomfortable and I appreciate that the charges against him are of a serious nature. I was just pointing out though that due to the emotional nature of paedophilia cases there seems to be a trend now where just being charged at all is enough for the court of public opinion to brand you guilty.

We don't know the details of this particular case and the guy is entitled to a fair trial like everyone else. The OP is perfectly entitled to not like him but should not be branding him a child molester just because he is charged with a crime, and her own observations of him are sketchy at best.

username123

Leaving aside conjecture on whether or not he is guilty, if you don't like someone you don't have to have them in your home, end of. It doesn't matter if he is a criminal or not, you don't have to have a visitor you dislike to stay.

mrs moneypenny

Just a quick update and a thank you for the kind advice.

I emailed his local police in England a week before they were due to travel and told them I had information that I believed he was planning to travel here to the Canary Islands and not return. I gotta admit, I didn't feel comfortable in doing it but I did.

After two days of communication via email with the police, the parents rang and told my other half that the brother wasn't coming, that he was up in Court and they told him he couldn't travel!!! Firstly I thought what a relief!!! There's something not sitting right with the whole thing!!! We had a good time with the parents and I did manage to have a word with the Father in private ...... pointing out to him what he said last year, that it was more of a boyfriend girlfriend relationship, it seemed to waken him up a bit.

Anyways on their return to England last week, the parents rang my other half and told him that the scumbag has admitted to his best friend that it did happen!!! And worse, the wife has been arrested over a an alledged video taken of the actl!!! WTF, how the hell do I deal with this now? My partner is so friggin angry, has told the parents on the phone to tell the brother never ever to speak to him again but yet he's still got him on his friends on fb (though no communication).

I can't believe the parents STILL have the scumbag under their roof!!!

I've the name of the best friend who he admitted it all to ....... what to do now? Do I go back to the police and give them the name of the friend or leave in the hands of justice?

Thanks for listening and thanks for the advice.

Taltos

OP - due to the fact that this case is ongoing in the UK and while you have not identified him I feel it best to close this thread now before more is posted that could damage any case the crown is taking against this person.
I do note your original issue has been resolved and for the rest I would recommend you talk to your OH about this but ultimately this is between this "suspect" and his parents as to where he lives.

Counselling or speaking to a professional may help you and your OH.
Sorry we cannot be of more help and I hope you understand why I have taken the step in closing this thread.

Taltos