Redesign your own budget for Ireland:

Leeson Street Crack Whore

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

Jesus Wept

Not a fan of women, travellers, imiganttts students?

hansfrei

60% tax on crack whores.

Jamie2k9

All social welfare payments would be cut and child benefit and single mothers allowances scrapped. No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes and raising children. Scrap Rent allowance. Social welfare here is why over 13% are unemployed and picky about jobs so take it away and people will get up off there arses.

Increase tax on drink, smokes, fuel and motor tax.

State pensions cut while TD's wages also cut by 40%.

Increase spend on education and public transport and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E.

Scrap TV licence.

wp_rathead

Leeson Street Crack Whore wrote: »

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

Bolded bit decent idea

Rest is pure bollocks

Underlined bit I really dislike - economically courses like Social Care and Medicine prob not very "benefical" but there are vital

BNMC

I'd cut everything that doesn't affect me.

artanevilla

"Hail Hitler" - OP, 2013.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Leeson Street Crack Whore wrote: »

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

I agree with incorporating motor tax into the price of petrol.

Sadly, I fear you won't be around these parts much longer to discuss the other points you have raised.

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All social welfare payments would be cut and child benefit and single mothers allowances scrapped. No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes and raising children. Scrap Rent allowance. Social welfare here is why over 13% are unemployed and picky about jobs so take it away and people will get up off there arses.

Increase tax on drink, smokes, fuel and motor tax.

State pensions cut while TD's wages also cut by 40%.

Increase spend on education and public transport and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E.

Scrap TV licence.

On the children's allowance point. I attribute us having one of the highest birth rates in the OECD down to having it. I don't receive it btw. I'm just pointing out there is an indirect positive from these payments to you and society as a whole.

TheMilkyPirate

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All social welfare payments would be cut and child benefit and single mothers allowances scrapped. No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes and raising children. Scrap Rent allowance. Social welfare here is why over 13% are unemployed and picky about jobs so take it away and people will get up off there arses.

Increase tax on drink, smokes, fuel and motor tax.

State pensions cut while TD's wages also cut by 40%.

Increase spend on education and public transport and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E.

Scrap TV licence.

Well thank god your not in government.

Jamie2k9

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

On the children's allowance point. I attribute us having one of the highest birth rates in the OECD down to having it. I don't receive it btw. I'm just pointing out there is an indirect positive from these payments to you and society as a whole.

Yes having the highest birth rate is fine but not when taxpayers foot the bill for it. We probably have the highest rate of single mothers and young mothers in Europe to. Take the payments away and people might just be more careful. Possibly some means testing for very low income families but it shouldn't be dished out like hot dinners which is what's happening now.

Well thank god your not in government.

Which point doesn't sit well with you?

theblaqueguy

Legalise the ghanga and tax it
Would be my only recommendation

wp_rathead

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Which point doesn't sit well with you?

Can't speak for Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo but for me:

and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E

hansfrei

Don't agree with cutting SW. PS pensions though. Shoud be funded some other way or reduced.

Skylinehead

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Which point doesn't sit well with you?

How about cutting all social welfare because of "peoples mistakes"? Ever hear of the recession, not as if people wanted to lose their jobs. Not sure why you want less hospitals either.

Chucken

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

single mothers allowances scrapped.

There is no such allowance.
There is however,One Parent Family Allowance, which oddly enough can be claimed by men who parent alone as well.

wp_rathead

hansfrei wrote: »

Don't agree with cutting SW.

agree with you here Hans

hansfrei wrote: »

PS pensions though. Shoud be funded some other way or reduced.

So reduce income of retired nurses, teachers and gardai - who have worked their lives to earn decent income in their retirement? harsh

Sam Kade

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All social welfare payments would be cut and child benefit and single mothers allowances scrapped. No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes and raising children. Scrap Rent allowance. Social welfare here is why over 13% are unemployed and picky about jobs so take it away and people will get up off there arses.

Increase tax on drink, smokes, fuel and motor tax.

State pensions cut while TD's wages also cut by 40%.

Increase spend on education and public transport and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E.

Scrap TV licence.

So you have a job you don't have children you don't drink or smoke and you don't have a car and you have a tv. Me me me :rolleyes:

Annasopra

Leeson Street Crack Whore wrote: »

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

Im just delighted that the governmnment cant actually abolish: Pavee point, MRCI, ICI and NWCI - they all do really really important work. In my fantasy budget I'd give them more money.

wexie

mango salsa wrote: »

Im just delighted that the governmnment cant actually abolish: Pavee point, MRCI, ICI and NWCI - they all do really really important work. In my fantasy budget I'd give them more money.

I dont want to get into an argument as to whether or not any of them should be abolished but why couldn't the government? Some legislation presumably?

Karl Stein

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes

Then go out and riot over the €70,000,000,000 being handed over to bond holders and banks.

hansfrei

wprathead wrote: »

agree with you here Hans


So reduce income of retired nurses, teachers and gardai - who have worked their lives to earn decent income in their retirement? harsh

Its not just "frontline" staff who draw a PS pension. The governments unions also control many a useless feck and provide them with litterally incredible perks. That need to either end or be funded by something or someone else.


People working in the local tax office, the local HSE duplication centres etc. Rewarding inefficiency with massive pensions is a ridiculous idea.

Eoin247

Revert that free gp care for children under 5. It's a unhelpful crowdpleaser. As if there weren't enough overprotective parents bringing kids into the GP for every single booboo or bangbang. This is going to needlessly cost us millions.

General General

We should just develop some kind of robot that goes around to people's houses & finds out if they are taking the piss or not... if it finds someone is taking this piss, then just make that person poorer & perhaps spray them with blue paint or something.

Yep. Great idea, there.

wp_rathead

hansfrei wrote: »

Its not just "frontline" staff who draw a PS pension. The governments unions also control many a useless feck and provide them with litterally incredible perks. That need to either end or be funded by something or someone else.


People working in the local tax office, the local HSE duplication centres etc. Rewarding inefficiency with massive pensions is a ridiculous idea.

agree some of the higher end pensions are ridiculous, as well as some of the expenses they can claim, but your earlier rhetoric of "PS pensions should be reduced" goaded me abit as, more often than not, it will affect the lower end workers not the fat cats

wexie

wprathead wrote: »

agree some of the higher end pensions are ridiculous, as well as some of the expenses they can claim, but your earlier rhetoric of "PS pensions should be reduced" goaded me abit as, more often than not, it will affect the lower end workers not the fat cats

Sadly I think that's probably more of a symptom of how the PS is being run rather than the actual sentiment of wanting to reduce PS pensions and perks.

Specialun

theblaqueguy wrote: »

Legalise the ghanga and tax it
Would be my only recommendation

Hey ming.hows it going

hfallada

Abolish tax credits for oap. Why should should a 70 something be allowed to pay less tax than a family of four in a negative equity home. And have a **** load of expenses but pay more income tax than a 70 year old. It's unfair but wins the government a few votes.

hansfrei

wprathead wrote: »

agree some of the higher end pensions are ridiculous, as well as some of the expenses they can claim, but your earlier rhetoric of "PS pensions should be reduced" goaded me abit as, more often than not, it will affect the lower end workers not the fat cats

Everyone in the organisation is being minded by a union, backed by the gubberment.

Lower level workers become higher level workers.

Bottom line. I'm paying the same or more for for less. Rewards like ridiculous pensions have to stop or be funded by something else.


Socialism works well for.the big hitters like Germany and Japan because it benefits EVERYONE. Not just the governments unions mates.


Socialism for all, or capitalism for all.

What we have here is the bastrdisation of socialism.

Let me ask you. Is it fair that I should pay some PS workers pension when I can't afford one myself?

Annasopra

wexie wrote: »

I dont want to get into an argument as to whether or not any of them should be abolished but why couldn't the government? Some legislation presumably?

No. They are NGOs - Non Governmental Organisations. They are independent of the government. The government didnt set them up so it wouldnt be possible to abolish them. Only their members or directors could choose to close them.

It wouldnt be possible to legislate that way either as that would violate various human rights and constitutional principles and obligations; freedom of association, freedom of expression

mfceiling

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

All social welfare payments would be cut and child benefit and single mothers allowances scrapped. No my job to be paying for peoples mistakes and raising children. Scrap Rent allowance. Social welfare here is why over 13% are unemployed and picky about jobs so take it away and people will get up off there arses.

Increase tax on drink, smokes, fuel and motor tax.

State pensions cut while TD's wages also cut by 40%.

Increase spend on education and public transport and cut health costs by reducing hospitals and A&E.

Scrap TV licence.

All well and good....but where are these magical jobs that will be filled by the 13% unemployed?

wexie

mango salsa wrote: »

No. They are NGOs - Non Governmental Organisations. They are independent of the government. The government didnt set them up so it wouldnt be possible to abolish them. Only their members or directors could choose to close them.

It wouldnt be possible to legislate that way either as that would violate various human rights and constitutional principles and obligations; freedom of association, freedom of expression

Could the government (in theory) choose to stop funding them?
(presumably they're at least partly government funded?)

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Yes having the highest birth rate is fine but not when taxpayers foot the bill for it. We probably have the highest rate of single mothers and young mothers in Europe to. Take the payments away and people might just be more careful. Possibly some means testing for very low income families but it shouldn't be dished out like hot dinners which is what's happening now.

We wouldn't have as many single parent family payments if the government properly legislated for unmarried fathers. I'm 'on the books' so to speak, 'my heads above water', don't know how else I can put it. The mom of my child collects every payment there is and I'm not asked for a thing 'officially'. As in, she can claim everything, I can work as a single person (and claim tax credits against my child) and that's the way it is.

'Single parents' aren't single parents in I have no doubt the majority of cases.

Child benefit should be means tested to some degree. Michael O'Leary doesn't want children's allowance for example.

Bottom line is, as long as this country treats men as nothing more than sperm donors when their child is born, this is the way things are going to be.

Sh1tbag OToole

Get rid of the LPT. Replace it with USB (Universal social burden) - an extra income tax to run alongside USC

LoonyLovegood

hfallada wrote: »

Abolish tax credits for oap. Why should should a 70 something be allowed to pay less tax than a family of four in a negative equity home. And have a **** load of expenses but pay more income tax than a 70 year old. It's unfair but wins the government a few votes.

Negative equity only exists if a person wants to sell their home. If they're happy where they are, then they're not in negative equity, they just bought a house at the wrong time. Hate seeing that term thrown around as a buzzword.

And what if the OAP is working full time and not collecting a pension? Should they be forced to pay tax on their entire earnings when the rest of the country doesn't? Surely they should be commended for not taking a pension and working longer?

COYW

theblaqueguy wrote: »

Legalise the ghanga and tax it
Would be my only recommendation

Yes, turn Dublin into a cesspit like the red light district in Amsterdam, that'll really help us.

I would

- Means test the OAP, children's allowance and the like. Wealthy people don't need these payments.

- Replace the dole with a voucher system (clothes, food etc) and cut the allowance for any healthy individual who hasn't worked in the last 8 years.

- Increase the price on all alcoholic drinks and cigarettes by 10%. They are a negative luxury. Drink is a nuisance in this country. Milk it for all it is worth.

- Tax on fatty foods.

- Implement a religion tax, which I would be happy to pay as a Christian.

awec

I would love motor tax to be replaced with increased tax on fuel.

As someone who is in NI on a regular basis - think of all that money I'd save.

I reckon everyone who lives within an hours drive of the border would be as equally delighted.

wexie

awec wrote: »

I would love motor tax to be replaced with increased tax on fuel.

As someone who is in NI on a regular basis - think of all that money I'd save.

I reckon everyone who lives within an hours drive of the border would be as equally delighted.

or everyone with a fuel card

General General

mfceiling wrote: »

All well and good....but where are these magical jobs that will be filled by the 13% unemployed?

If we can reduce our social security outlay enough, perhaps there is a chance of attracting some of those juicy low paid manufacturing jobs in sh!tty, dangerous conditions that always seem to go to East Asia these days...

Think outside the box, man.

General General

awec wrote: »

I would love motor tax to be replaced with increased tax on fuel.

As someone who is in NI on a regular basis - think of all that money I'd save.

I reckon everyone who lives within an hours drive of the border would be as equally delighted.

Force the Nordies do the same thing... or threaten to invade.

sparksfly

awec wrote: »

I would love motor tax to be replaced with increased tax on fuel.

As someone who is in NI on a regular basis - think of all that money I'd save.

I reckon everyone who lives within an hours drive of the border would be as equally delighted.

As would the scrounger who lies in bed all day and needs no car.
The worker who has a long commute to work to pay for said scrounger and finds his fuel costs increased may not be so happy.

hairyslug

Two simple things, increase minimum wage and increase tax benifits for SMEs

martingriff

Leeson Street Crack Whore wrote: »

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

Disagree with you here. While agree they call discrimination on every little thing that happens witch makes a real discrimination case seem less than it is thry are needed. Because believe it or nor OP discrimination still happens in this country.

martingriff

hansfrei wrote: »

Everyone in the organisation is being minded by a union, backed by the gubberment.

Lower level workers become higher level workers.

Bottom line. I'm paying the same or more for for less. Rewards like ridiculous pensions have to stop or be funded by something else.


Socialism works well for.the big hitters like Germany and Japan because it benefits EVERYONE. Not just the governments unions mates.


Socialism for all, or capitalism for all.

What we have here is the bastrdisation of socialism.

Let me ask you. Is it fair that I should pay some PS workers pension when I can't afford one myself?

Really all of them fantastic. Hope you have facts to back this up. My fantastic pension that I will get in 40 Years is not that good its so low actually i will be under the threshold to be taxed.

draiochtanois

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homerjay2005

family with no workers and 2 kids can "earn" around 33k a year according to todays independant.

there lies budget problem one, there is no motivation for anybody in that bracket to go out to work when you get a fairly decent payment like that, it would happen in very few other countries in the world.

its absolute madness that we are not looking at proper ways of reducing our spending, the money we give out on social welfare is just astounding.

1 - payments from the state capped at 25k per year, per family (excluding extra payment for disability allowance).

2 - child benifit must be means tested or spent instead on child care programmes to allow the parents to work instead.

3- social welfare payment relative to tax contributions or basically if you have worked/are looking for work, you get treated differently to those who are not bothered -
* if you worked for six months or more during last 5 years, you get full payment.
* no/ tax contributions in this period, you lose 10%-25% every year that pass.

4 - theres also 1000's of apartment empty across the city and houses empty all around ireland. instead of pumping money into rental programmes and landlords pockets, use these.

5 - €5 medical contribution on all medical transactions.

6 - anybody with 2 or more previous convictions, loses right to legal aid if proven guilty on 3rd offence and hiring of solicitors on salary rather than contract.

7 - review of the loan parent allowance, where possible this is removed and payment automatically deduced from dole/tax of father.

April O Neill

Leeson Street Crack Whore wrote: »

I know there is a discussion on the budget already but I feel one where we discuss our own budget ideas would be nice. Just post a summary of where you would cut and where you would fund more with an explanation why (if you want).

Budget 2014:

Abolish Pavee Point
Abolish NWCI
Abolish the Immigrants Rights council.

People of ability don't cry discrimination

Flatten ALL tax brackets to a flat 25%, tax free allowance will be 20K

Abolish inheritance tax

Remove excise duty from Alcohol

Abolish motor tax and incorporate it into the price of fuel (with a small fee of 50 Euro per year for vehicle registration and bicycle registration)

Have a staggered third level contribution system where the government will give more funding to more economically beneficial courses and less to those that are less of an economic asset. Fees will be tripled and can be paid after graduation by removing a portion of the graduates salary.

Ideas ??

Are you trying to prepare for the upcoming ITI Fantasy Budget assignment?

COYW

draiochtanois wrote: »

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I can, a nice chunk of money on the back of a substance that costs us a fortune in terms of health costs.