Cannot record on rte 1 and watch 2

Wearb

I have a ferguson Ariva 120 combi. Since recan I cannot record on rte2 and watch rte1. Rte1 in not available on menue while recording on rte2.

Any suggested solutions please?

lertsnim

They are on different muxes now so to record on one while watching another you will need another tuner. No way around it sadly.

Wearb

lertsnim wrote: »

They are on different muxes now so to record on one while watching another you will need another tuner. No way around it sadly.

Thanks for that. Just one more question befor I purchase another STB; I am on high ground, would another aerial tuned into another transmitter work instead of a new STB?

Peter Rhea

No point tuning to another transmitter. Your box can only decode 1 terrestrial multiplex (mux.) at a time.

Wearb

Peter Rhea wrote: »

No point tuning to another transmitter. Your box can only decode 1 terrestrial multiplex (mux.) at a time.

Thanks. New STB then

gordongekko

Wearb wrote: »

Thanks. New STB then

make sure your new box can record both muxes before you buy.

Wearb

gordongekko wrote: »

make sure your new box can record both muxes before you buy.

I know to watch out for Mheg5 and what that means. What do I watch out for to ensure that I get a box that can record both muxes?

Strawberry HillBilly

Wearb wrote: »

I know to watch out for Mheg5 and what that means. What do I watch out for to ensure that I get a box that can record both muxes?

STB needs 2 DTV tuners to allow you watch one mux whilst 2nd tuner allows recording from different mix.

Wearb

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

STB needs 2 DTV tuners to allow you watch one mux whilst 2nd tuner allows recording from different mix.

Been looking online for last 20 minutes, not much mention of 2 tuners on any that I came across. While it would be nice to have this, I think that because I already have a STB, another box with only one tuner would do. Am I missing something with that assumption?

Strawberry HillBilly

The other option is to use your TV to watch the "unavailable" mix during recording.......making an assumption that your TV receives Saorview ?

gordongekko

Have you a second tv? You could use that to record and the other tv as your main tv.

Wearb

I have only one TV and it isn't able to decode Saorview.

Anything wrong my my assumptions ....................... Been looking online for last 20 minutes, not much mention of 2 tuners on any that I came across. While it would be nice to have this, I think that because I already have a STB, another box with only one tuner would do. Am I missing something with that assumption?

Strawberry HillBilly

You could get a second STB, would be a little messy having to split Ariel in feed into 2 and when also having to select 2nd HDMI input when recording. (Assuming here you have at least 2 inputs available here I.e. 2xAV or 2xHDMI or 1AV and 1 HDMI).

If it was me I would probably look at Walker Saorview approved PVR, which as far as I am aware has 2 tuners and will have MHEG5 and auto updates etc.

Strawberry HillBilly

Have a look at the spec here.....dual tuner confirmation

http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-pvr.html

Wearb

Strawberry HillBilly wrote: »

You could get a second STB, would be a little messy having to split Ariel in feed into 2 and when also having to select 2nd HDMI input when recording. (Assuming here you have at least 2 inputs available here I.e. 2xAV or 2xHDMI or 1AV and 1 HDMI).

If it was me I would probably look at Walker Saorview approved PVR, which as far as I am aware has 2 tuners and will have MHEG5 and auto updates etc.

Have been looking at that on TV T. Because I can already record from my present STB, I think that I will go for the cheapest mheg 5 terrestrial box that I can find. My TV has lots of spare connections. I will just need to split the aerial and connect a cable to back of TV and then will only need to use this box every now and then.

Thank you all for your help.

Strawberry HillBilly

No problem.

fryup

Wearb wrote: »

I have a ferguson Ariva 120 combi. Since recan I cannot record on rte2 and watch rte1. Rte1 in not available on menue while recording on rte2.

Any suggested solutions please?

as i mentioned in another thread.....

(persuming your TV can tune in saorview on its own)

if you want to record one saorview channel whilst watching another saorview..when recording on your combi use your TV remote and the input select button and choose TV mode and then select which saorview channel you want using the TV's tuner

The Cush

Wearb wrote: »

I have only one TV and it isn't able to decode Saorview.

Anything wrong my my assumptions ....................... Been looking online for last 20 minutes, not much mention of 2 tuners on any that I came across. While it would be nice to have this, I think that because I already have a STB, another box with only one tuner would do. Am I missing something with that assumption?

Your Saorview approved options are -

1. The Saorview approved Walker twin-tuner PVR that comes with built-in 500Gb HDD that will allow you to "watch one/record one programme" or "record two/playback one programme". Includes 7 day guide, MHEG-5, series linking etc.

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-23-WP6500&pages=1&prod=WP6500&brands=WALKER&image=
http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-pvr.html

2. The Saorview approved Triax twin-tuner STB. Requires a separate HDD. Allows you to "watch one/record one programme", not sure if you can playback and record at the same time. Includes 7 day guide, MHEG-5 but no series linking.

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-23-TR212&pages=1&prod=TR212&brands=TRIAX&image=
http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-set-top-box-receiver.html

Fingleberries

The Cush wrote: »

Your Saorview approved options are -

1. The Saorview approved Walker twin-tuner PVR that comes with built-in 500Gb HDD that will allow you to "watch one/record one programme" or "record two/playback one programme". Includes 7 day guide, MHEG-5, series linking etc.

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-23-WP6500&pages=1&prod=WP6500&brands=WALKER&image=
http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-pvr.html

2. The Saorview approved Triax twin-tuner STB. Requires a separate HDD. Allows you to "watch one/record one programme", not sure if you can playback and record at the same time. Includes 7 day guide, MHEG-5 but no series linking.

http://www.powercity.ie/?par=10-23-TR212&pages=1&prod=TR212&brands=TRIAX&image=
http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-set-top-box-receiver.html

Just a quick few questions on these boxes:

1. Can they show Saorview and Freeview channels in a single EPG?
2. Can you change the channel order?
3. Can they show DVB/T2 channels (i.e. Freeview HD overspill)? If not, is there a DVB/T2 Saorview+ receiver available because I thought that was being made part of the standard for new boxes.

Many thanks in advance for feedback.

maximus02

I bought this receiver recently, It is a reasonable price and has dual tuners.

You can also add a USB drive to record channels.

http://www.tvtrade.ie/saorview-set-top-box-receiver.html

The first video in the video guides on this webpage explains the twin tuners.

Hope this helps.

The Cush

Fingleberries wrote: »

Just a quick few questions on these boxes:

1. Can they show Saorview and Freeview channels in a single EPG?
2. Can you change the channel order?
3. Can they show DVB/T2 channels (i.e. Freeview HD overspill)? If not, is there a DVB/T2 Saorview+ receiver available because I thought that was being made part of the standard for new boxes.

Many thanks in advance for feedback.

I don't live in a Freeview coverage area so can't give you any answer based on my experience with Freeview reception.

Regarding the Triax 212, I don't own one so I wouldn't be able to give you any answers there.

There is a thread on the Walker PVR here, it may answer some of your questions.

The Walker PVR is DVB-T only I believe so no Freeview HD T2 channels. The channels do appear in a single epg but not sure how they handle recording from both servies at the same time.

DVB-T2 is part of the Saorview spec from Jan 2013 for any newly certified receivers, doesn't apply to receivers certified before that date.

Wearb

The Cush wrote: »

I don't live in a Freeview coverage area so can't give you any answer based on my experience with Freeview reception.

Regarding the Triax 212, I don't own one so I wouldn't be able to give you any answers there.

There is a thread on the Walker PVR here, it may answer some of your questions.

The Walker PVR is DVB-T only I believe so no Freeview HD T2 channels. The channels do appear in a single epg but not sure how they handle recording from both servies at the same time.

DVB-T2 is part of the Saorview spec from Jan 2013 for any newly certified receivers, doesn't apply to receivers certified before that date.

I have been reading about DVB-T2 here; Could someone please explain what it is and why I might need it? What differences would I notice with a STB with it compared to one without it?

TAFKAlawhec

Wearb wrote: »

I have been reading about DVB-T2 here; Could someone please explain what it is and why I might need it? What differences would I notice with a STB with it compared to one without it?

For Saorview, nothing at present. However it may prove useful in a few years time...

DVB-T2 is an upgraded, non-backward compatible transmission standard that evolved from DVB-T which Saorview presently uses. DVB-T2 is used in the UK for the delivery of HD programming via the BBC B multiplex. In some other countries it is also used for HD terrestrial broadcasting e.g. Finland, Sweden. In a few countries it is used for both HD & SD programming e.g. Ukraine, South Africa - In Northern Ireland DVB-T2 is used to deliver RTÉ1, RTÉ2 and TG4 in SD via a single multiplex. Many countries like Germany and France are looking at transitioning current DVB-T networks to DVB-T2 by the end of this decade.

The main benefit in DVB-T2 is the extra available data rate in a multiplex compared to a DVB-T multiplex for the same coverage area in respect to the signal to noise ratio. It is also more suitable for Single Frequency Networks (SFNs) and a few other enhancements.

The reason Saorview is not broadcasting with DVB-T2 is that when the broadcast network was beginning to be rolled out, the DVB-T2 standard had not been finalised. Indeed the first DVB-T2 public transmissions only began in December 2009 from two transmitter sites in England, and set-top-box receivers took several more months for them to fully appear in the shops.

DVB-T2 may be rolled out in the Irish Republic at some stage under two possible scenarios, (a) Future broadcasting of UHD 4K and/or 8K channels, which require considerable amounts of data rate (and which is likely to use h.265 video compression which no TV or STB currently supports), and (b) the outside chance of a future pay-TV platform developing in the RoI - such an operator would likely use DVB-T2 to allow more channels, wherever SD or HD, to be fitted in without severely affecting picture quality (such a network already exists in Finland).

The main reason DVB-T2 is specified in the Saorview minimum requirements as of January 2013 is because it is specified in the NorDig standards which Saorview is based upon. There are no plans for the current Soarview network to switch to DVB-T2 any time soon.

Also Saorview isn't pressurised in terms of spectrum space so using DVB-T isn't a big handicap, compared to the UK where they were one of the big proponents of developing DVB-T2 because of limited spectrum space available to deliver HD programming.

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