Architect Costs

Barr

Hi All

We are planning a double story extension at the side of an end of terrace house.

I am just wondering what ballpark figure would an architect cost to draw up the plans?


Thanks
Barr

4Sticks

kkelliher

Barr wrote: »

Hi All

We are planning a double story extension at the side of an end of terrace house.

I am just wondering what ballpark figure would an architect cost to draw up the plans?


Thanks
Barr

Easiest thing to do is ring around your locality as it will depend on the size of the practice, brief, extent of service etc

NewBeefFarmer

well, if its just an extension, to an existing house, Terreace.

and id imagine that isnt too big, an engineer not architect can do those plans up.

maybe 1500?

john_cappa

1500 just for plans for an extension? Bit much.

A draughtmans could do this easily and handle the planning application for 1000 IMO. That is assuming you don't need design input.

kkelliher

john_cappa wrote: »

1500 just for plans for an extension? Bit much.

A draughtmans could do this easily and handle the planning application for 1000 IMO. That is assuming you don't need design input.

New regs and requirements for planning from march next year will mean you must use certain professionals and design must be completed for planning so 1000 will not go very far in the new year.

LennyandMo

Think it will depend what you want them to do, we just had plans done up for extension and remodel ,extension is 120sqm. They came out and done survey drew up some ideas then plans then changed the plans a few meetings about diffwerent asspects of it and they put the planning application in for €2500+vat.

Gumbo

kkelliher wrote: »

New regs and requirements for planning from march next year will mean you must use certain professionals and design must be completed for planning so 1000 will not go very far in the new year.

Not planning, design needs to be done for commencement notice.

So in theory, you can still get a technician to handle the planning application, then pass it to your assigned certifier to draw up the details and handle the supervision of the build.

kkelliher

kceire wrote: »

Not planning, design needs to be done for commencement notice.

So in theory, you can still get a technician to handle the planning application, then pass it to your assigned certifier to draw up the details and handle the supervision of the build.

In theory but economically i doubt it will work out

john_cappa

Will these new regs apply to projects already under construction ?

kkelliher

john_cappa wrote: »

Will these new regs apply to projects already under construction ?

No

Chisler2

kkelliher wrote: »

No

KK - my application for planning went in three weeks ago and I'm told I'll have a decision around mid-December. I've had plans for an extension drawn up and awaiting costing from a contractor. Does that constitute "in progress"? Given the nature of the build (conservation, lime-plastering etc., on an exposed site) physical building work (including installation of septic-tank) probably could not commence until Spring 2014.

DOCARCH

Chisler2 wrote: »

KK - my application for planning went in three weeks ago and I'm told I'll have a decision around mid-December. I've had plans for an extension drawn up and awaiting costing from a contractor. Does that constitute "in progress"? Given the nature of the build (conservation, lime-plastering etc., on an exposed site) physical building work (including installation of septic-tank) probably could not commence until Spring 2014.

If you start construction on or after March 1st 2014 and if the extension is greater than 40m.sq....then the new regulations will apply.

kkelliher

DOCARCH wrote: »

If you start construction on or after March 1st 2014 and if the extension is greater than 40m.sq....then the new regulations will apply.

I suppose to be crystal clear if you lodge a commencement notice with a council on or after 1st march 2014 they will apply whereas lodged on the 28th february they wont

prewtna

john_cappa wrote: »

1500 just for plans for an extension? Bit much.

A draughtmans could do this easily and handle the planning application for 1000 IMO. That is assuming you don't need design input.

There is always need for design input! i know i'm like a broken record at this stage, but you cannot price good design. i would expect to charge significantly more than that for a service and therefore i would expect other architects to charge likewise.

Even lennyandmo's 2.5k would be less than i would begin with. the fee for smaller projects like this is (relatively speaking) much higher than on larger projects. Economies of scale do not work in reverse on small projects as there will still be a critical mass of work to be produced to get to construction stage.

Best of luck with it.

Chisler2

kkelliher wrote: »

I suppose to be crystal clear if you lodge a commencement notice with a council on or after 1st march 2014 they will apply whereas lodged on the 28th february they wont

In that case it seems imperative to get the commencement notice in early in the new year. Thank you KK

4Sticks

Chisler2 wrote: »

In that case it seems imperative to get the commencement notice in early in the new year. Thank you KK

And thereby demonstrate to future purchasers that you wished to dodge tighter building regulations. And make them wonder why ?

kkelliher

4Sticks wrote: »

And thereby demonstrate to future purchasers that you wished to dodge tighter building regulations. And make them wonder why ?

a very good point to be fair although it is unlikely that many if any would think of looking at the commencement notice on purchasing a second hand property

4Sticks

kkelliher wrote: »

a very good point to be fair although it is unlikely that many if any would think of looking at the commencement notice on purchasing a second hand property

For the moment. This WAS the case with BER certs initially. Think + 10 years from now to a time when one may actually be selling on and what perceptions are likely to exist then.

Chisler2

4Sticks wrote: »

And thereby demonstrate to future purchasers that you wished to dodge tighter building regulations. And make them wonder why ?

I have no ambition to "dodge" anything! I plan a renovation and extension and wish to live in my home as soon as possible. I am not a "speculator" and I am not "selling on". Do not tar everyone with the brushes that come easiest to hand on account of your acquaintances or experiences, or read into the genuine questions of others motive which are not present! Thanks.

4Sticks

In due course (5-10 years ) when the new regulations regime becomes common knowledge to those buying houses , then I believe that those with full and complete documentation will have an advantage over those which do not.

topcatcbr

4Sticks wrote: »

In due course (5-10 years ) when the new regulations regime becomes common knowledge to those buying houses , then I believe that those with full and complete documentation will have an advantage over those which do not.

If so it will be a tiny one. As far as property goes. Its the 3 L's that are important.

kkelliher

4Sticks wrote: »

then I believe that those with full and complete documentation will have an advantage over those which do not.

In ireland no chance. Has the ber made any difference to sales prices? You still have g rated properties selling for the same as d in areas because its all about location and peoples desire to live in certain areas. Its also only going to impact on a small % of the housing stock over a 10 year period

4Sticks

I have seen in boom times and in desirable Dublin addresses ( plural ) sales fail to complete over non compliance issues. So I see things differently and I believe time will prove me right. More time than the expected life of this thread for sure so I will speak no more of it here.

kkelliher

4Sticks wrote: »

I have seen in boom times and in desirable Dublin addresses ( plural ) sales fail to complete over non compliance issues. So I see things differently and I believe time will prove me right. More time than the expected life of this thread for sure so I will speak no more of it here.

In my experience Non compliance issues in the main relate to works where planning was not required or not applied for. The not required will still be not required under the new regs so nothing will change

Kazbah

Would anyone like to share architect costs on a redesign of a 2 bed terraced house? I need to knock internal walls and recreate rooms and maybe a small extension (budget dependant!).

galwaytt

kkelliher wrote: »

In ireland no chance. Has the ber made any difference to sales prices? You still have g rated properties selling for the same as d in areas because its all about location and peoples desire to live in certain areas. Its also only going to impact on a small % of the housing stock over a 10 year period

Exactly. BER haven't affected prices in the slightest. Loads of buyers for low spec homes still. And it will be ever thus. All down to price at the end of the day. You can't buy what you can't afford or don't have the money for.

Those that have loads of money will. .... continue as normal.

Kazbah

I suppose pay can make more informed choices about value for money with BER as an extra piece of knowledge about what you're buying. Knowledge which should be objective & consistent.

IRspeedsurfer

We are paying a set fee of 4500 for three stages - Design to planning, Tender, Build project management.
However have discovered a hidden cost - architect has just asked us to pay 1000 euro to get a 'Health and Safety' statement to comply with new Regs!
Anyone know about this?