Ireland team for November internationals

Harry FM

I'm in terested in seeing your ireland team for the upcoming November internationals against Samoa, Australia and New Zealand. Here's the team I would pick.

15-Rob Kearney
14-Tommy Bowe
13-Brian O'Driscoll
12-Luke Marshall
11-Anderw Trimble
10-Jonathan Sexton
9-Connor Murray
1-Cian Healy
2-Rory Best
3-Mike Ross
4-Mike McCarthy
5-Paul O'Connell
6-Peter O'Mahony
7-Sean O'Brien
8-Jamie Heaslip

16-Sean Cronin
17-Jack McGrath
18-Stephen Archer
19-Dan Tuohy
20-Chris Henry
21-Eoin Reddan
22-Ian Madigan
23-Fergus McFadden

dtpc191991

Harry FM wrote: »

I'm in terested in seeing your ireland team for the upcoming November internationals against Samoa, Australia and New Zealand. Here's the team I would pick.

15-Rob Kearney
14-Tommy Bowe
13-Brian O'Driscoll
12-Luke Marshall
11-Anderw Trimble
10-Jonathan Sexton
9-Connor Murray
1-Cian Healy
2-Rory Best
3-Mike Ross
4-Mike McCarthy
5-Paul O'Connell
6-Peter O'Mahony
7-Sean O'Brien
8-Jamie Heaslip

16-Sean Cronin
17-Jack McGrath
18-Stephen Archer
19-Dan Tuohy
20-Chris Henry
21-Eoin Reddan
22-Ian Madigan
23-Fergus McFadden

15-Rob Kearney
14-Tommy Bowe
13-Brian O'Driscoll
12-Luke Marshall
11-Keith Earls (If not fit Trimble)
10-Jonathan Sexton
9-Connor Murray
1-Cian Healy
2-Rory Best
3-Mike Ross
4- Dan Touhy
5-Paul O'Connell
6-Peter O'Mahony
7-Sean O'Brien
8-Jamie Heaslip

16-Sean Cronin
17-Jack McGrath
18-Stephen Archer
19-Devin Toner
20-Chris Henry
21-Eoin Reddan
22-Paddy Jackson
23-Fergus McFadden

Harry FM

dtpc191991 wrote: »

15-Rob Kearney
14-Tommy Bowe
13-Brian O'Driscoll
12-Luke Marshall
11-Keith Earls (If not fit Trimble)
10-Jonathan Sexton
9-Connor Murray
1-Cian Healy
2-Rory Best
3-Mike Ross
4- Dan Touhy
5-Paul O'Connell
6-Peter O'Mahony
7-Sean O'Brien
8-Jamie Heaslip

16-Sean Cronin
17-Jack McGrath
18-Stephen Archer
19-Devin Toner
20-Chris Henry
21-Eoin Reddan
22-Paddy Jackson
23-Fergus McFadden

Surprised to see you had earls in there, If your opinion cool but as good a runner as he is he's poor defensively and if we had him marking Isreal Folau then god help us

Berticus

Pretty much the same. I'd go with Tuohy to partner POC and Earls on the left wing (perhaps Ferg for just the Samoa game)

For the posts here already I think it's pretty clear that there is only a couple of positions that are really up for grabs - one of the 2nd row positions and left wing. For the most part people agree on 12/13 of the 15.

As a result you really have to say that a lot of the criticism sent in Kidney's, Eddie O'Sullivan's direction is quite harsh because the reality is Joe is going to pick a quite similar team to both of his predecessors. It's down to a lack if depth obviously.

Probably going to be down to tactics and (somewhat time limited) coaching to produce results. I think Joe certainly has the capabilities in this area.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

In reality left wing isn't up for grabs either. If Earls is fit he starts and rightly so

Hagz

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

In reality left wing isn't up for grabs either. If Earls is fit he starts and rightly so

Unless Schmidt decides he wants to leave Bowe on the left wing and then opts for McFadden on the right.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Hagz wrote: »

Unless Schmidt decides he wants to leave Bowe on the left wing and then opts for McFadden on the right.

don't think it will happen, and if it does I'll be pretty annoyed tbh considering Earls's form

EDIT: he has also been playing 14 all year too!

Fireball07

Hagz wrote: »

Unless Schmidt decides he wants to leave Bowe on the left wing and then opts for McFadden on the right.

Considering Earls has played right wing all year, I don't think that's an issue.


If Earls isn't fit, it'll be interesting.

The Pheasant2

Pretty much agree with the first couple of teams posted.

I'd start Earls and have Fergus on the bench, have Madigan over Jackson and I'd definitely like to see Toner come on for a good portion of the Samoa game to get him that experience

Berticus

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Pretty much agree with the first couple of teams posted.

I'd start Earls and have Fergus on the bench, have Madigan over Jackson and I'd definitely like to see Toner come on for a good portion of the Samoa game to get him that experience

Yeah would agree with the bench changes there. I'm a Madigan fan and having previously not been a fan of Toner, I have to admit that over the last 12 months he has improved massively. On current form, he is outplaying McCarthy too.

budhabob

Purely on form DOC should have a second row spot, starting or on bench.

awec

Has McCarthy really done anything to merit inclusion?

POC is obviously in there if fit, and it seems Toner and Tuohy have both outperformed McCarthy so far this season. I haven't seen much of DOC, it's hard to know with him given he wasn't in the initial squad.

CoDy1

There shouldn't be a '1st' 15 for 3 games!!

bilston

CoDy1 wrote: »

There shouldn't be a '1st' 15 for 3 games!!

I think Joe will make the odd tweak here and there. I expect Marshall and D'Arcy may get a start each in the first two games likewise Toner or Tuohy (who I think form wise are ahead of McCarthy). There is also talk that Sexton may be rested against Samoa because he has played so much and obviously we want him fresh for Australia and NZ.

Oh and sadly injuries will play a part as well so I woul be very surprised if the same XV started all three games.

Mr.Applepie

15-Rob Kearney
14-Tommy Bowe
13-Brian O'Driscoll
12-Luke Marshall
11-Earls/McFadden
10-Jonathan Sexton
9-Connor Murray
1-Cian Healy
2-Rory Best
3-Mike Ross
4-DOC/Toner
5-Paul O'Connell
6-Peter O'Mahony
7-Sean O'Brien
8-Jamie Heaslip

16-Sean Cronin
17-Jack McGrath
18-Moore/Fitzpatrick
19-DOC/Toner
20-Chris Henry
21-Boss
22-Ian Madigan
23-Earls/McFadden

I haven't seem much of best this season -has he got over his throwing yikes?
I think joe might go with Touhy/McCarthy to partner POC. He has always seemed to like a big physical 2nd row which I don't think toner/doc can provide although those two are the form locks this season.
Marshall is in there but I wouldn't be surprised if D'Arcy plays.
I really don't rate archer. Shouldn't be near the Irish squad. He's still young enough to develop it at the moment he's Buckey v.2

philthrill69

I think it's absolutely hilarious that you all think Marshall will start at 12.
Yes of course he should start at 12 just like he should have started every game of the last 6 nations but looking at the similarities in Schmidts squad I don't think there's gonna be much change in the starting xv either, only the ones that are forced on him by injury and fatigue (Sexton).
And if the last few seasons are anything to go by We should all know by now that Darcy has some serious sway or else just gives good head.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

philthrill69 wrote: »

I think it's absolutely hilarious that you all think Marshall will start at 12.
Yes of course he should start at 12 just like he should have started every game of the last 6 nations but looking at the similarities in Schmidts squad I don't think there's gonna be much change in the starting xv either, only the ones that are forced on him by injury and fatigue (Sexton).
And if the last few seasons are anything to go by We should all know by now that Darcy has some serious sway or else just gives good head.

Who would you have started for Leinster instead of Darcy over the last two seasons?

philthrill69

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Who would you have started for Leinster instead of Darcy over the last two seasons?

I thought we were on about international Rugby here?
But if I must answer, I rated McFadden over Darcy the last two seasons.

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

philthrill69 wrote: »

I thought we were on about international Rugby here?
But if I must answer, I rated McFadden over Darcy the last two seasons.

Darcy has been the best option at Leinster, but Marshall wasn't at Leinster, there's nothing to indicate that Darcy will be picked ahead of Marshall

McFadden hasn't got one start at 12 over the last two seasons

Darcy doesn't have sway either, he lost his place to Marshall last season

Tox56

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Darcy has been the best option at Leinster, but Marshall wasn't at Leinster, there's nothing to indicate that Darcy will be picked ahead of Marshall

McFadden hasn't got one start at 12 over the last two seasons

Darcy doesn't have sway either, he lost his place to Marshall last season

In fairness I don't think this is actually the case, he started the first 2 games against Wales and England but was injured in the England game and missed the rest of the tournament.

I still think Marshall should be starting at least 2 if not all 3 of the AI games

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience

Tox56 wrote: »

In fairness I don't think this is actually the case, he started the first 2 games against Wales and England but was injured in the England game and missed the rest of the tournament.

I still think Marshall should be starting at least 2 if not all 3 of the AI games

I thought he came back from injury for the other two games and Marshall was still picked?

Anyway, I do think Marhsall is ahead of Darcy now, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Marshall to be first choice atm

Kayless

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

I thought he came back from injury for the other two games and Marshall was still picked?

Anyway, I do think Marhsall is ahead of Darcy now, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect Marshall to be first choice atm

Marshall must be first choice, he's been one of Ulsters best players this season.

I would start Darcy for the Samoa game because he's still a very solid option at 12 and because he has a beard the world needs to see

Glass Prison 1214

For the Samoa match:

15. Kearney 14. Bowe 13. BOD 12. Marshall 11. Earls 10. Jackson 9. Murray 1. McGrath 2. Best 3. Fitzpatrick 4. Toner 5. POC 6. POM 7. SOB 8. Heaslip
16. Cronin 17. Healy 18. Ross 19. Tuohy 20. Henry 21. Reddan 22. Madigan 23. McFadden

For the Australia match:

15. Kearney 14. Bowe 13. BOD 12. Marshall 11. Earls 10. Sexton 9. Murray 1. Healy 2. Best 3. Ross 4. Tuohy 5. POC 6. POM 7. SOB 8. Heaslip
16. Cronin 17. McGrath 18. Fitzpatrick 19. Toner 20. Henry 21. Reddan 22. Jackson 23. McFadden

And for New Zealand I would select the same as the Aussie game except I would pick which ever of Toner and Tuohy performed better in the first two games.

Kayless

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

For the Samoa match:

15. Kearney 14. Bowe 13. BOD 12. Marshall 11. Earls 10. Jackson 9. Murray 1. McGrath 2. Best 3. Fitzpatrick 4. Toner 5. POC 6. POM 7. SOB 8. Heaslip
16. Cronin 17. Healy 18. Ross 19. Tuohy 20. Henry 21. Reddan 22. Madigan 23. McFadden

For the Australia match:

15. Kearney 14. Bowe 13. BOD 12. Marshall 11. Earls 10. Sexton 9. Murray 1. Healy 2. Best 3. Ross 4. Tuohy 5. POC 6. POM 7. SOB 8. Heaslip
16. Cronin 17. McGrath 18. Fitzpatrick 19. Toner 20. Henry 21. Reddan 22. Jackson 23. McFadden

And for New Zealand I would select the same as the Aussie game except I would pick which ever of Toner and Tuohy performed better in the first two games.

Good teams though not sure POC will make the Samoa game

Glass Prison 1214

Kayless wrote: »

Good teams though not sure POC will make the Samoa game

Oh I thought he was supposed to make it back, if not Tuohy into the team with McCarthy coming onto the bench.

philthrill69

Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »

Darcy has been the best option at Leinster, but Marshall wasn't at Leinster, there's nothing to indicate that Darcy will be picked ahead of Marshall

McFadden hasn't got one start at 12 over the last two seasons

Darcy doesn't have sway either, he lost his place to Marshall last season

Look The title of this thread is IRELAND team for November internationals.
I didn't bring up Leinster, you did.
I don't have a problem with Darcy starting for Leinster.
The point I was trying to get across is that for the last 2 INTERNATIONAL season's Darcy hasn't been the form 12 but has always been a permanent fixture in the starting XV except for injuries so when I compare Kidneys squad to Schmidts squad and don't see any major differences I don't have any faith in his starting XV having any major differences either meaning Darcy will start.
And if your not the form 12 of the four provinces and your still guaranteed your place then yes you do have major sway.

danthefan

I think the best side almost picks itself at this point, with the exception of one or two positions.

Healy
Best
Ross
McCarthy (or Touhy or Toner)
POC
POM
SOB
Heaslip
Murray
Sexton
Earls
Marshall
BOD
Bowe
Kearney

philthrill69

Ireland starting xv to face Samoa
15. R Kearney
14.T Bowe
13. B O'Driscoll
12. G Darcy
11. F McFadden
10. P Jackson
9. C Murray
8. J Heaslip (VC)
7. C Henry
6. P O'Mahony
5. D Toner
4. M McCarthy
3. M Ross
2. R Best
1. J McGrath

Replacements
S Cronin, C Healy, D Fitzpatrick, P O'Connell (C), S O'Brien, E Reddan, I Madigan, D Kearney.

A few strange choices, I really hope he's not being too complacent.
Can't wait.
(So as I stated correctly, Darcy has some serious sway)