Documents produced at the roadside, subsequent obligation to produce at station?

Fred Swanson

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Santa Cruz

The lawful demand is to produce the documents. If that demand is met by producing them for inspection there and then on the roadside the requirements under the Road Traffic Act have been met and there is no obligation to produce them at a Garda Station within 10 days.

Victor

Note it is the insurance certificate - the original long document that has to be produced - not the insurance disk. Not many people will carry this with them.

Fred Swanson

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dan_ep82

Fred Swanson wrote: »

I have produced the full cert at the roadside only to be told he didn't want it and to produce at a station within 10 days.

Better off going in if it seems like it could slip his mind
I generally have all relevant documents with me but I still may tip into the station and produce again to save any oversights.

Pro Hoc Vice

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I maybe wrong but the only legal demand to produce on demand is a driving licence, if I remember correctly AGS can only require you produce insurance certificate within 10 days at station. Also I assume by producing at station it may be easier to check that policy is actually in effect.

hullaballoo

Get a dash-board camera that records sound.

I've been stopped a few times and asked to produce documents (which I carry in my glove compartment, where else?) only to be told to nominate a station to bring them to afterwards.

I can't figure out why they might want a compliant person to have to go to the extra trouble of going to their local station to present these documents. I mean, unless of course, they were just looking to make our lives more difficult for some sort of self-satisfaction. But that couldn't be it.

I suppose the Cór Tráchta are just a particularly vigilant bunch. That should be commended.

Fred Swanson

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Marcusm

infosys wrote: »

I maybe wrong but the only legal demand to produce on demand is a driving licence, if I remember correctly AGS can only require you produce insurance certificate within 10 days at station. Also I assume by producing at station it may be easier to check that policy is actually in effect.

I think that there is an equivalent for insurance in that in the event of a failure to produce at the roadside, AgS can require production at a barracks. It's s 69 RTA as amended.

Pro Hoc Vice

Marcusm wrote: »

I think that there is an equivalent for insurance in that in the event of a failure to produce at the roadside, AgS can require production at a barracks. It's s 69 RTA as amended.

While section 69 is entitled production on demand it in effect is not, a it does not create an offence of non production on demand unlike a licence. In that production within 10 days is a defence.

The important bit of 69(1)

"demand of the person the production of either a certificate of insurance or a certificate of guarantee or a certificate of exemption in respect of the use of the vehicle by the person on the occasion and, if the person refuses or fails to produce any such certificate then and there, he shall, unless within ten days after the day on which the production was demanded he produces such certificate in person to a member of the Garda Síochána at a Garda Síochána station named by the person at the time at which the production was demanded, be guilty of an offence."

I don't think 69(1) has been amended according to irish statute book.

I accept the section gives a defence in the production then and there.