Cattle Breeds

on the river

What are the best breeds to cross with each other to produce good quality weaning ? Also what A.I bulls would help this ?

mikeoh

on the river wrote: »

What are the best breeds to cross with each other to produce good quality weaning ? Also what A.I bulls would help this ?

How long is a piece of string???.......what u got to start with and we can go from there??....we should save this question for the"boards farming" Christmas nite out after a few pints the opinions will flow!!!

on the river

mikeoh wrote: »

How long is a piece of string???.......what u got to start with and we can go from there??....we should save this question for the"boards farming" Christmas nite out after a few pints the opinions will flow!!!

I have a Angus cross cattle and saler hefiers. So what A.i bulls are good for producing weanings ? Thanks

bbam

on the river wrote: »

What are the best breeds to cross with each other to produce good quality weaning ? Also what A.I bulls would help this ?

It also depends on your local mart..
For us locally the weanlings regularly getting top dollar are from Semmental cows and CH bull.. Seems to be a good cross and the colour goes down well here..
The only downside I've seen is cow size, they are huge framed heavy cows and its not great on heavy land..

mikeoh

on the river wrote: »

I have a Angus cross cattle and saler hefiers. So what A.i bulls are good for producing weanings ? Thanks

For the heifers I wouldn't go past a limousin this year dovea have lovely easy calving bulls like EBY and KJB next year step it up to an easy blue or charlois......for the cows I don't like aaxbb tthey never grow , a limo will only give u black calves not the best sellers but great cattle ...I love AA x Simmental but again the colour factor I'd say go with a blonde or charlois but I'm not up on my bulls so maybe someone else can recommend a bull

towzer2010

mikeoh wrote: »

For the heifers I wouldn't go past a limousin this year dovea have lovely easy calving bulls like EBY and KJB next year step it up to an easy blue or charlois......for the cows I don't like aaxbb tthey never grow , a limo will only give u black calves not the best sellers but great cattle ...I love AA x Simmental but again the colour factor I'd say go with a blonde or charlois but I'm not up on my bulls so maybe someone else can recommend a bull

Saler x LM calves should keep you fit anyway. Cancel the gym membership.:D:D

As bbam says find out what sells locally and go from there. It also depends on what market you are looking at.

Is it weanling bulls or breeding for replacement heifers?
What AI company will you be using?
When you say angus cross cattle do you mean cows?

AA cows can give poor colouring on CH calves which means they don't sell very well. Lm might be more suitable. If you want to produce good bull weanlings saler x ch are usually good calves and sell well in all marts. For replacement heifers Sim or Lim are good but other breeds could suit as well depending on the above questions.

keep going

Boys in the suckler business tell the best animal to take in the factory is a charolais bull out an dairy bred angus cow

towzer2010

keep going wrote: »

Boys in the suckler business tell the best animal to take in the factory is a charolais bull out an dairy bred angus cow

I'd agree but that would be for the finished animal rather than a weanling. A friend of mine always buys these as weanlings as they are usually cheaper and finish easier.

on the river

towzer2010 wrote: »

Saler x LM calves should keep you fit anyway. Cancel the gym membership.:D:D

As bbam says find out what sells locally and go from there. It also depends on what market you are looking at.

Is it weanling bulls or breeding for replacement heifers?
What AI company will you be using?
When you say angus cross cattle do you mean cows?

AA cows can give poor colouring on CH calves which means they don't sell very well. Lm might be more suitable. If you want to produce good bull weanlings saler x ch are usually good calves and sell well in all marts. For replacement heifers Sim or Lim are good but other breeds could suit as well depending on the above questions.

Yes their are angus cows . Looking to breed both heifers for replacement and bulls to be sold in local mart. Progressive genetics is the A.i company. What bulls would you recommend ?

hugo29

on the river wrote: »

Yes their are angus cows . Looking to breed both heifers for replacement and bulls to be sold in local mart. Progressive genetics is the A.i company. What bulls would you recommend ?

CH weanlings are flavour of the month at moment, CH x AA is not a great colour and a bad seller,
Saler X ch is a great weanling

Shorthorn X Angus is a super cow

1chippy

limo x sim cow then put nearly any bull, you cant go wrong.

Mac Taylor

Best prices we get are from chx cows out of simx cows crossed back to a limo bull.

blue5000

keep going wrote: »

Boys in the suckler business tell the best animal to take in the factory is a charolais bull out an dairy bred angus cow

Using a blonde on my aa x fr cows, but I'm not selling weanlings in the mart. Problem with charolais out of these cows is, as already said the colour. Shippers don't like black charolais x as it usually means an angus in the breeding somewhere. They go too fat for the Italian feedlots. Thay's why they prefer the lighter coloured ones.

So with these aa x cows your target market is Irish farmers or the UK supermarket (eventually). Limousin, blonde, charolais can be a good cross. I think stay away from BB, they are a better cross using an angus bull on a BB x cow.

I haven't used simmental, (they'd eat you out of house and home) but aubrac bull used here on aa x heifers with fairly good results, they're not big, but they finish and grade well. Don't use an Aubrac if you are selling weanlings, they will be black with a hint of red, gobsh1tes in the mart will think they are jerseys.
Just my 2cents.

on the river

blue5000 wrote: »

Using a blonde on my aa x fr cows, but I'm not selling weanlings in the mart. Problem with charolais out of these cows is, as already said the colour. Shippers don't like black charolais x as it usually means an angus in the breeding somewhere. They go too fat for the Italian feedlots. Thay's why they prefer the lighter coloured ones.

So with these aa x cows your target market is Irish farmers or the UK supermarket (eventually). Limousin, blonde, charolais can be a good cross. I think stay away from BB, they are a better cross using an angus bull on a BB x cow.

I haven't used simmental, (they'd eat you out of house and home) but aubrac bull used here on aa x heifers with fairly good results, they're not big, but they finish and grade well. Don't use an Aubrac if you are selling weanlings, they will be black with a hint of red, gobsh1tes in the mart will think they are jerseys.
Just my 2cents.

Any photos ?

onyerbikepat

towzer2010 wrote: »

Saler x LM calves should keep you fit anyway. Cancel the gym membership.:D:D.

I reckon this would be a great cross, if it weren't for the docility issue. Colour would be consistent and the salers would add milk and fertility while the Limousin would add muscle.
They might be the ideal cattle if they were cattle thieves about.

on the river

onyerbikepat wrote: »

I reckon this would be a great cross, if it weren't for the docility issue. Colour would be consistent and the salers would add milk and fertility while the Limousin would add muscle.
They might be the ideal cattle if they were cattle thieves about.

whAT BREEDS do you have?

Midlandsman80

It would seem the CH from AAX cows would be a good beef animal for a finisher here so?
Can be bought cheaper than golden/white.
The Angus would -get the fat cover earlier and allow younger finishing at more moderate weights and the CH would improve grade and possibly conversion rates
Are these type weanlings hard to come by? What price diff might you expect from an white/golden CH at the same weights?
An Angus from a CHx Dairy dam would allow the bonus..

on the river

Midlandsman80 wrote: »

It would seem the CH from AAX cows would be a good beef animal for a finisher here so?
Can be bought cheaper than golden/white.
The Angus would -get the fat cover earlier and allow younger finishing at more moderate weights and the CH would improve grade and possibly conversion rates
Are these type weanlings hard to come by? What price diff might you expect from an white/golden CH at the same weights?
An Angus from a CHx Dairy dam would allow the bonus..

i say your taking 200 less at the mart for chxaa

thats why i would send them to factory better price given . angus are good outwintered and eat less the amount a chxlm or chxsi would