Cow not coming into heat.

Bulls Notion

Hello, Im new to this website and hope this is the right section for this post.
Just asking some of the cattle men on this what they make of this:
I have a charolais cow that i bred myself 3 or 4 years ago, and decided to keep her as a cow as she was very impressive.
In 2011 I decided to AI her as she was off the stock bull,she came in heat a couple of times that summer and I got her with the first AI.
2012,she had nice limousin heifer, no trouble calving.
She calved in april 2012, and i couldnt get her back in calf untill Oct 2012.
She never came in heat all that summer.So I asked the vet and he said to give her an injection to bring her in heat.I gave her this injection and after the 11th day that she should of been on heat on, no sign of her.She then had to get a second injection and after the 3rd the day she did come in heat! We put AI charolais on her which was successful.
She only calved in July when all my cows had calved between feb-apr.
Superb charolais heifer.Calved no problem.This year I specially reserved the best of grass for her and some others to see would the quality grass bring her in heat.
We are now in october and she hasnt come in heat.Gave her the injection this year, didnt work and gave her a second one and still didnt.
Vet then put a 'seeder' in her.He said to take it out this saturday and he said it SHOULD work.
So just to see what ye make of this, she very healthy, had easy calvings.
She had no fertility lick at all would this be holding her back?
Thanks

towzer2010

Bulls Notion wrote: »

Hello, Im new to this website and hope this is the right section for this post.
Just asking some of the cattle men on this what they make of this:
I have a charolais cow that i bred myself 3 or 4 years ago, and decided to keep her as a cow as she was very impressive.
In 2011 I decided to AI her as she was off the stock bull,she came in heat a couple of times that summer and I got her with the first AI.
2012,she had nice limousin heifer, no trouble calving.
She calved in april 2012, and i couldnt get her back in calf untill Oct 2012.
She never came in heat all that summer.So I asked the vet and he said to give her an injection to bring her in heat.I gave her this injection and after the 11th day that she should of been on heat on, no sign of her.She then had to get a second injection and after the 3rd the day she did come in heat! We put AI charolais on her which was successful.
She only calved in July when all my cows had calved between feb-apr.
Superb charolais heifer.Calved no problem.This year I specially reserved the best of grass for her and some others to see would the quality grass bring her in heat.
We are now in october and she hasnt come in heat.Gave her the injection this year, didnt work and gave her a second one and still didnt.
Vet then put a 'seeder' in her.He said to take it out this saturday and he said it SHOULD work.
So just to see what ye make of this, she very healthy, had easy calvings.
She had no fertility lick at all would this be holding her back?
Thanks

I think if you want to keep her you should have got the vet to do a blood test to see if she is lacking in something. Did he handle her to see if there was any damage internally? I had a cow that had scarring after calving and it was a lot the same as your cow. I culled her after the vet discovered the scarring.

Timmaay

Try her will a bolus instead, you will know she has got enough minerals then. This wont be a quick fix at all however, so dont expect her to come bulling overnight. If it was my cow, with trouble in 2 consecutive lactations, she'd be for the road 2bh. Your vet will be happy to keep on prescribing treatments when he is making money, things like seeders are 20quid a pop, plus call out fees etc.

hugo29

Bulls Notion wrote: »

Hello, Im new to this website and hope this is the right section for this post.
Just asking some of the cattle men on this what they make of this:
I have a charolais cow that i bred myself 3 or 4 years ago, and decided to keep her as a cow as she was very impressive.
In 2011 I decided to AI her as she was off the stock bull,she came in heat a couple of times that summer and I got her with the first AI.
2012,she had nice limousin heifer, no trouble calving.
She calved in april 2012, and i couldnt get her back in calf untill Oct 2012.
She never came in heat all that summer.So I asked the vet and he said to give her an injection to bring her in heat.I gave her this injection and after the 11th day that she should of been on heat on, no sign of her.She then had to get a second injection and after the 3rd the day she did come in heat! We put AI charolais on her which was successful.
She only calved in July when all my cows had calved between feb-apr.
Superb charolais heifer.Calved no problem.This year I specially reserved the best of grass for her and some others to see would the quality grass bring her in heat.
We are now in october and she hasnt come in heat.Gave her the injection this year, didnt work and gave her a second one and still didnt.
Vet then put a 'seeder' in her.He said to take it out this saturday and he said it SHOULD work.
So just to see what ye make of this, she very healthy, had easy calvings.
She had no fertility lick at all would this be holding her back?
Thanks

she could be a silent heat, i have a cow like that, never seen her bulling but is in calf every year, thats where the bull comes in handy

manjou

If you are having no trouble getting other cows in calf she could just be one thats a bad breederno matter what you do so if she wwas mine she would be gone as she is costing you lots of money

Seaba

It's a killer, especially when the cow is a good one (and it normally happens to the 'good' ones)
We are in the same boat with a cow and a 2nd calver - both calved 4-5 months and have never seen them come around.
We are trying many of the things the guys above recommended but myself and Dad know they will more than likely be culled.
Thing is whatever you get in the factory will go a long way, and might even exceed, buying a good replacment in the mart.
A lot of luck buying the right one in the mart, and the best one/biggest price, doesn't mean they will bring a good calf but you should at least have a calf anyway

FYM

It could just be the suckling effect of the calf, this can cause the cow to have very short heats (1 to 2 hours) if you keep the cow in future you will probably have to seperate the calf and allow twicw daily suckling or at 40 - 60 days post calving insert a Cidr and take it from there.

just do it

How are you heat detecting? It's not easy in suckers...

Edit: reading your post again she has good conception rates so it's probably a matter of a) heat detection, or b) taking control of her cycle at 35d with a cidr and injection at removal.

I agree with others though, on the long run breeding from cows that are hard to get in-calf, regardless of the reason, will decrease your overall herd fertility.

whelan1

have you tail paint on her, when you had the cidr in her was it to be fixed time ai or serve on heat?

Bactidiaryl

I haven't a bulls notion:). Love the username.

tom tom 55

Cull her. she is not worth keeping. You are losing money.

KatyMac

Are you absolutely sure you weren't missing her heat? I've a cow who is almost 12 now and I think she is on heat only about 2-3 hours. I usually miss her first one but count the days very carefully and catch her on the second one. She is a bit of a pain but by now I know how to catch her.

1chippy

You have to cull her. its not worth your while holding onto her. those couple of calves will have to sell for exceptional money to cover the empty months. the vet and the cidr alone is another unnecessary expense. I only started following this strategy the last few years and its paying off. if you need to work that hard on a cow to get her in calf, shes not worth keeping.

keep going

You got a vet to look at her so he hasnt sorted her, we probably wont.out of 10 cows not in calf in my place 6 are showing no sign of going to dairy despite being ingood condtion

whelan1

would you have a bullock or something that could pick up her heat

bbam

manjou wrote: »

If you are having no trouble getting other cows in calf she could just be one thats a bad breederno matter what you do so if she wwas mine she would be gone as she is costing you lots of money

Must say id agree with this.
It's hard enough in beef to make a profit but carrying passengers like this only costs you more money and take up time that could be spent on something profitable.
Is it not time she was culled and a fertile cow in her place ?

badshot

bbam wrote: »

Must say id agree with this.
It's hard enough in beef to make a profit but carrying passengers like this only costs you more money and take up time that could be spent on something profitable.
Is it not time she was culled and a fertile cow in her place ?

got to agree 100%

tom tom 55

bbam wrote: »

Must say id agree with this.
It's hard enough in beef to make a profit but carrying passengers like this only costs you more money and take up time that could be spent on something profitable.
Is it not time she was culled and a fertile cow in her place ?

I agree also . Only wasting your time and your money

Bulls Notion

towzer2010 wrote: »

I think if you want to keep her you should have got the vet to do a blood test to see if she is lacking in something. Did he handle her to see if there was any damage internally? I had a cow that had scarring after calving and it was a lot the same as your cow. I culled her after the vet discovered the scarring.

Yes no damage at all.

hugo29 wrote: »

she could be a silent heat, i have a cow like that, never seen her bulling but is in calf every year, thats where the bull comes in handy

He said that could be whats wrong.

just do it wrote: »

How are you heat detecting? It's not easy in suckers...

Edit: reading your post again she has good conception rates so it's probably a matter of a) heat detection, or b) taking control of her cycle at 35d with a cidr and injection at removal.

I agree with others though, on the long run breeding from cows that are hard to get in-calf, regardless of the reason, will decrease your overall herd fertility.

Have about 15 hefiers and 2 cows and a bullock running with her.
I have no trouble with other cows coming in heat.
It seems that the best option is to cull her, i will wait and see does the Cidr do anything.
Thanks for all the help though lads.

Bulls Notion

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

I haven't a bulls notion:). Love the username.

Haha I was waiting for someone to say that.

just do it

Bulls Notion
I've tried all the different options for heat detection over the years and a vasectomised bull with a chin ball is to my mind the best option.

aidanki

anyone using dairymaster moo monitors ?

TITANIUM.

Lads can someone explain tje CIDR to me?

Timmaay

aidanki wrote: »

anyone using dairymaster moo monitors ?

In the context of this discussion, waste of money for the likes of a cow like her. They are an expensive outlay anyways, you'll get wayyy more bang for buck by having a short calving window, which means a shorter breeding season, and then watch the cows carefully during that, and use likes of tailpaint/teaser bull as an aid also.

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

In the context of this discussion, waste of money for the likes of a cow like her. They are an expensive outlay anyways, you'll get wayyy more bang for buck by having a short calving window, which means a shorter breeding season, and then watch the cows carefully during that, and use likes of tailpaint/teaser bull as an aid also.[/quote

Going to use crayons on the cows that im bulling for winter milk. Seen em in a lads place in the spring and thought it was better that tail paint and easier to put on

FYM

A CIDR is basically a progesterone releasing device, inserted intravaginally. it can be used to get cows cycling after calving or to synchronise heat in cows / heifers. Typical CIDR programme would be e.g. insert Saturday morning, inject estrumate the following Saturday morning and remove the CIDR 24hrs later. Cow should be in heat within 48hrs

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

Going to use crayons on the cows that im bulling for winter milk. Seen em in a lads place in the spring and thought it was better that tail paint and easier to put on

Where ya get them? Hows the wrist now, hope its your bad hand

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

Going to use crayons on the cows that im bulling for winter milk. Seen em in a lads place in the spring and thought it was better that tail paint and easier to put on

Where ya get them? Hows the wrist now, hope its your bad hand

Timmaay

jersey101 wrote: »

Going to use crayons on the cows that im bulling for winter milk. Seen em in a lads place in the spring and thought it was better that tail paint and easier to put on

Where ya get them? Hows the wrist now, hope its your bad hand

jersey101

Timmaay wrote: »

Where ya get them? Hows the wrist now, hope its your bad hand

i think ye can get a box of 30 in th coop or on magneta. Ill ask your man where he got them. Its stingy enough. She put this bandage that had slow relesing antiseptic in it. Ye its the bad hand which aint so bad but thats the hand i normaly carry buckets of meal in.