Ryder Cup Vices

golf_caddy

Who will Paul pick ?

In with a shout :
Torrance, Bjorn, Jiminez, VanDeVeld

Some Maybe's:
Harrington, Lawerie (Paul), Olazabal

No Hopers
Montgomerie, Clarke

Any others got thoughts?

ssbob

golf_caddy wrote: »

Who will Paul pick ?

In with a shout :
Torrance, Bjorn, Jiminez, VanDeVeld

Some Maybe's:
Harrington, Lawerie (Paul), Olazabal

No Hopers
Montgomerie, Clarke

Any others got thoughts?

I think Clarke will defo get a vice-captains pick as he will be a future captain, Jiminez will also if he doesn't make the team. Other than that it is hard to know!

PARlance

ssbob wrote: »

I think Clarke will defo get a vice-captains pick as he will be a future captain, Jiminez will also if he doesn't make the team. Other than that it is hard to know!

Would like to see Clarke and Jiminez too.
Is there still talk of a rift between McGinley and Clarke or was that all bs?

I think Paul Lawrie is a shoe in if he doesn't get in the team. Need a Scotsman involved. He doesn't strike me as the William Wallace type that will be rallying the troops, but I can't see him not being involved.

Speak Now

Des Smyth maybe

Redzah

ssbob wrote: »

I think Clarke will defo get a vice-captains pick as he will be a future captain, Jiminez will also if he doesn't make the team. Other than that it is hard to know!

The rift between Clarke and McGinley is irreparable and I would bet my house on him not being a vice. In fact, I think Clarke could well have lost the support of many of his peers and the european tour with his carry on to such an extent that his future chances of captaincy are questionable.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Go on lads, enlighten me as to what this falling out is over please!?!

Redzah

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Go on lads, enlighten me as to what this falling out is over please!?!

Basically, Clarke tried to shaft McGinleys chances of captaincy as he was concerned of his own chances in 2 or 4 years time and the likelihood of 2 irishmen being picked as captains in such a close timeline. Clarke then tried to drum up support for Monty to be picked as captain again with this in mind.

Clarke was left with egg on his face when it spectacularly failed, including McIlroy (Clarkes one time apprentice and close friend) coming out in support for McGinley.

McGinley and Clarke were close friends for a while and McGinley were there in full support of Clarke through his difficult times including the loss of his wife. That made Clarkes carry on with McGinleys captaincy chances more despicable and i for one hope he never gets it.

Martin567

Pilsbury Doughboy wrote: »

Go on lads, enlighten me as to what this falling out is over please!?!

He seemed to go out of his way for a while to attempt to sabotage McGinley's chances. When USA appointed Tom Watson, Darren said that Europe now needed to select someone with a stature in the game to be able to compete with him. He then strongly pushed for Monty to get another chance. It seemed very strange for two guys who had always appeared to be good friends.

Any time I've heard Paul McGinley being asked about his relationship with Darren Clarke, he's been very diplomatic about it but it was clear there hasn't been any reconciliation as yet. He made a point of saying how he appreciated the support he got from Rory & Padraig and that you really found out who your friends were when they support you without being asked.

As things stand, I'd be surprised if Darren is a vice captain.

BoardsMember

ssbob wrote: »

I think Clarke will defo get a vice-captains pick as he will be a future captain, Jiminez will also if he doesn't make the team. Other than that it is hard to know!

There is no earthly possibility that McGinley will be picking Clarke as VC, and I would be very surprised if Clarke ever makes captain, the lads above have outlined the reasons, not to mention Clarke being the first man ever to canvas heavily for the position of Captain.

ssbob

BoardsMember wrote: »

There is no earthly possibility that McGinley will be picking Clarke as VC, and I would be very surprised if Clarke ever makes captain, the lads above have outlined the reasons, not to mention Clarke being the first man ever to canvas heavily for the position of Captain.

While the rift may work against Clarke, I believe this to be incorrect, Monty campaigned heavily to get Ryder Cup captain for 2010, he even had the backing of Sky at the time and tried to get them on board again this time.

Pilsbury Doughboy

Thanks lads.

spacecoyote

I interpreted this thread title completely differently...

Thought it was a discussion on the naughty things people get up to at the Ryder cup

BoardsMember

ssbob wrote: »

While the rift may work against Clarke, I believe this to be incorrect, Monty campaigned heavily to get Ryder Cup captain for 2010, he even had the backing of Sky at the time and tried to get them on board again this time.

I dont think the two are very comparable to be honest. Monty was a shoe in, there was no head-to-head with another serious threat. McGinley & Clarke on the other hand were pretty much head to head. McGinley conducted himself with great dignity, said very little and og ton with things. Carke, fankly, made an ass of himself, telling anyone who would listen that he wanted it. And when he realised he was not going to get it, he tried to scupper McGinley. Allegedly. With that track record, I think it is highly unlikely Clarke will ever get it. And I'm pretty chuffed too because I think he's an oaf and a disgrace.

Almaviva

Whats the interest for them in the job - is it that big an earner ? Harrington will be a shoe in whenever year he wants it. So being Irish will count against Clarke and his moment will be passed as a new generation of potential captains comes through. There arent going to be 3 Irish captains in a 10 year period.

I could understand him feeling a bit agrieved though - McGinley is the lowest profile captain there has been in the Europe era, and him getting the gig does go against the precedence that it was an honour/earner given to Europes best players. So he is the victim/collateral in a change of policy there. Doesnt excuse the unpleasant element to someone who was his friend though.

denishurley

spacecoyote wrote: »

I interpreted this thread title completely differently...

Thought it was a discussion on the naughty things people get up to at the Ryder cup

I was wondering if maybe Ryder Cup vices was a reason for Rory McIlroy nearly sleeping out his tee-time last year!

Goldenjohn

spacecoyote wrote: »

I interpreted this thread title completely differently...

Thought it was a discussion on the naughty things people get up to at the Ryder cup

I think most people save that for the solheim cup

golf_caddy

Almaviva wrote: »

Whats the interest for them in the job - is it that big an earner ? Harrington will be a shoe in whenever year he wants it. So being Irish will count against Clarke and his moment will be passed as a new generation of potential captains comes through. There arent going to be 3 Irish captains in a 10 year period.

I could understand him feeling a bit agrieved though - McGinley is the lowest profile captain there has been in the Europe era, and him getting the gig does go against the precedence that it was an honour/earner given to Europes best players. So he is the victim/collateral in a change of policy there. Doesnt excuse the unpleasant element to someone who was his friend though.

Heard a figure of €2 million with endorsements, tv work etc


My reckoning for my four picks was
Torrance.... Has to be a Scot on his back room team

Bjorn/Jiminez ... Possible capts in 2016

VanderWeld .... bit left field but its in France in 4yrs time

Clarke/Monty are no hopers as they shafted him in run up to selection process and only for the likes of McIlroy/Poulter/Donald intervention he wouldnt have got job imo

BigChap1759

golf_caddy wrote: »

Heard a figure of €2 million with endorsements, tv work etc


My reckoning for my four picks was
Torrance.... Has to be a Scot on his back room team

Bjorn/Jiminez ... Possible capts in 2016

VanderWeld .... bit left field but its in France in 4yrs time

Clarke/Monty are no hopers as they shafted him in run up to selection process and only for the likes of McIlroy/Poulter/Donald intervention he wouldnt have got job imo

And there was me thinking it was for the honour and prestige.......I'm so naive

RikkFlair

golf_caddy wrote: »

My reckoning for my four picks was
Torrance.... Has to be a Scot on his back room team

Bjorn/Jiminez ... Possible capts in 2016

If Lawrie makes the team and he wants a Scot, maybe Sandy Lyle? Was a VC before with Woosie I think.

I doubt Jimenez will ever be captain, can you imagine his opening and closing ceremony speech?

Redzah

RikkFlair wrote: »

If Lawrie makes the team and he wants a Scot, maybe Sandy Lyle? Was a VC before with Woosie I think.

I doubt Jimenez will ever be captain, can you imagine his opening and closing ceremony speech?

Jimenez would be an excellent captain and very popular with the players, at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to player power, status within the game and support of the european tour. Jimenez ticks all those boxes and has been a huge supporter of the european tour throughout the years despite having a world ranking good enough to play more in US.

kiers47

Redzah wrote: »

Jimenez would be an excellent captain and very popular with the players, at the end of the day a lot of it comes down to player power, status within the game and support of the european tour. Jimenez ticks all those boxes and has been a huge supporter of the european tour throughout the years despite having a world ranking good enough to play more in US.

It is also worth noting that the system for choosing the captain will be changing for the next ryder cup onwards. Will be selected by a 5 man panel which will include the last 3 captains the chief exec from the tour and one rep from the committee. So this could throw a spanner into the works for future captains and due to his popularity Jimenez could definitely be selected in the near future especially seen as JMO will be on the panel for the next 2 picks.

Full Article on changes here

ssbob

BoardsMember wrote: »

I dont think the two are very comparable to be honest. Monty was a shoe in, there was no head-to-head with another serious threat. McGinley & Clarke on the other hand were pretty much head to head. McGinley conducted himself with great dignity, said very little and og ton with things. Carke, fankly, made an ass of himself, telling anyone who would listen that he wanted it. And when he realised he was not going to get it, he tried to scupper McGinley. Allegedly. With that track record, I think it is highly unlikely Clarke will ever get it. And I'm pretty chuffed too because I think he's an oaf and a disgrace.

I again disagree with you on this point, after Nick Faldo in '08, Sandy Lyle was clearly next in line as a 2 time major champion, he and Monty were head to head in the run up for Celtic Manor! Sandy was shafted by Monty then as Monty camapaigned heavily through Sky Sports and the tour committee(As Sandy was out of that loop).

Redzah

ssbob wrote: »

I again disagree with you on this point, after Nick Faldo in '08, Sandy Lyle was clearly next in line as a 2 time major champion, he and Monty were head to head in the run up for Celtic Manor! Sandy was shafted by Monty then as Monty camapaigned heavily through Sky Sports and the tour committee(As Sandy was out of that loop).

The difference is sandy is an unlikeable prick (and prob not liked by the players), monty however is a likeable prick (and is liked by a decent sized portion of the players). You seem to be veering away from your point regharding darren clarke and focusing on the monty scenario. Big Daz has absolutley zero chance of getting picked as a Vice Captain, he made his bed with his actions.

ssbob

Redzah wrote: »

The difference is sandy is an unlikeable prick (and prob not liked by the players), monty however is a likeable prick (and is liked by a decent sized portion of the players). You seem to be veering away from your point regharding darren clarke and focusing on the monty scenario. Big Daz has absolutley zero chance of getting picked as a Vice Captain, he made his bed with his actions.

Not veering away from it, based on the points above I stand corrected that Darren has little chance of being picked(however I would like to think McGinley is a bigger man and may pick him anyway differences aside).

My point was that BoardsMember claimed that Darren was the first to ever campaign heavily for the Ryder Cup role, I am simply stating the fact that Monty campaigned heavily for Celtic Manor! Being a likeable or unlikeable prick doesn't come into that?

Dbu

Paul Lawrie as a vice i reckon
or he could pull a master stroke and draft in Mr Ryder cup himself Bernard Gallagher if fit and healthy

Martin567

Redzah wrote: »

The difference is sandy is an unlikeable prick (and prob not liked by the players), monty however is a likeable prick (and is liked by a decent sized portion of the players). You seem to be veering away from your point regharding darren clarke and focusing on the monty scenario. Big Daz has absolutley zero chance of getting picked as a Vice Captain, he made his bed with his actions.

I've never heard this before, anywhere. Sandy Lyle has always appeared to be a very quiet, unassuming sort of guy. He's probably the last guy who would ever be comfortable with any sort of self publicity. His problem is more likely that he never pushed himself forward enough and now it's probably too late.

BoardsMember

ssbob wrote: »

I again disagree with you on this point, after Nick Faldo in '08, Sandy Lyle was clearly next in line as a 2 time major champion, he and Monty were head to head in the run up for Celtic Manor! Sandy was shafted by Monty then as Monty camapaigned heavily through Sky Sports and the tour committee(As Sandy was out of that loop).

Sandy was clearly next in line? I didn't realise that. Nor did I realise they went head to head. I stand corrected.

I still don't think the two are comparable. McGinley, the winner in this particular head to head, went about his business quietly; Clarke tried using the press and anyone else who's listen to further is own campaign. Also, Clarke tried to sabotage his opponent.

Anyhow, thanks re pointing out that Sandy went head to head with Monty, I had no idea.

Redzah

Martin567 wrote: »

I've never heard this before, anywhere. Sandy Lyle has always appeared to be a very quiet, unassuming sort of guy. He's probably the last guy who would ever be comfortable with any sort of self publicity. His problem is more likely that he never pushed himself forward enough and now it's probably too late.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/sandy-lyle-monty-cheated-yet-i-get-all-the-abuse-1744991.html

Sandy being quiet and unassuming above.

Also, from meeting the fella he was ignorant which is the norm based on others i've spoken to who have come across him.

Martin567

Redzah wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/golf/sandy-lyle-monty-cheated-yet-i-get-all-the-abuse-1744991.html

Sandy being quiet and unassuming above.

Also, from meeting the fella he was ignorant which is the norm based on others i've spoken to who have come across him.

I'm just saying how he appears to me. I don't know him. In fairness, I don't think the above article is very reflective of his entire career. Quieter people who are a bit shy or introverted are very often misunderstood as being aloof by more outgoing people. This impression is often entirely incorrect.