Need help deciding which foreign card to pick

Luckycharms_74

Hi all.

Need some advice here. We have opened a new commercial premises. The old premises had sky illegally & court case pending. We have installed sky & setanta legally but are looking at putting in a foreign feed as well.
The satellite installer insists on putting in a box and he will supply sky italia / sky calico card. I was looking at some basic box & canal+ card from skelpsat.
Anyone out there got some advice on which card is best.
So it's sky italia vs canal+ vs al jazerra ????

lertsnim

I don't think a domestic viewing card from elsewhere in Europe is allowed in a commercial premises.

steveon

You cannot use any form of domestic card in a commerical premises e.g sky italia or nova etc...


here is an old article that is still relevant...
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/General-News/G4S-inspects-Sky-Italia-cards-in-pubs

Luckycharms_74

steveon wrote: »

You cannot use any form of domestic card in a commerical premises e.g sky italia or nova etc...


here is an old article that is still relevant...
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/General-News/G4S-inspects-Sky-Italia-cards-in-pubs

The installer said to me once you have sky & setanta installed legally they don't care what other services you install. They get their subscription anyways & I'm paying €700 a month
Is he telling porkies ?

steveon

of course hes telling porkies....sky will leave you alone if your paying for their services but anything else you are not paying for commerically is illegal....you can take your chances but this will be in your own court should you get caught....

Luckycharms_74

So there is no way around this issue then

steveon

nope...premier rights to UK is sky or UPC....most other channels no longer will carry english commentary to 3pm games ....so not much use anyway.

I think sky need a good kickin for the prices they charge for commercial premises and something needs to be done

Luckycharms_74

steveon wrote: »

nope...premier rights to UK is sky or UPC....most other channels no longer will carry english commentary to 3pm games ....so not much use anyway.

I think sky need a good kickin for the prices they charge for commercial premises and something needs to be done

The prices sky and setanta charge are exorbitant but we have no choice as our competitors have it. Sky would want to have a look at the domestic subscriptions all over commercial venues in Spain.
There are others who have iptv but that's real piracy.
Have you seen any cases where commercial premises in Ireland have legal issues with foreign subs ???

steveon

I know of one bar that had a nova sub, and were threatened with legal action by setanta and sky.....it was a setanta rep who caught them, he sub to both sky and setanta since and they left him alone, he is now listed on the sky go app on mobiles which he reckons has helped him a little as he is a rural pub

STB

steveon wrote: »

I know of one bar that had a nova sub, and were threatened with legal action by setanta and sky.....it was a setanta rep who caught them, he sub to both sky and setanta since and they left him alone, he is now listed on the sky go app on mobiles which he reckons has helped him a little as he is a rural pub

With all due respect Sky and Setanta have no jurisdiction to threathen anyone unless that someone is pirating their cards or sharing their services illegally.

However, it is legal to buy european subscription cards to EPL within the EU. What is not legal is the broadcasting of EPL/FAPL copyright logos/graphics elements of the broadcast to the general public (ie commercial premises). Some company in the UK have recently won some European court case that allows them to offer a service that woul ensure that said broadcasts do no infringe copyright of the FAPL by placing advertisements in place of the elements that would infringe.

Bear in my mind that to use european services in a commercial environment is against the terms and conditions of the card itself. In short that means that the card could be cancelled if they discovered this.

Just my understanding.............

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Have you seen any cases where commercial premises in Ireland have legal issues with foreign subs ???

Plenty of publicans have been threathened with legal action. I would imagine that largely these threats relate to publicans being conned by fly by night satellite installers who are running card sharing servers on the side and selling same to unsupecting/complicit/ignorant publicans as a legitimate option, which most certainly is not the case. Not having a card whatsoever is piracy. I have seen this with my own eyes. Some publicans thought the services they were being sold were legit.

To answer your original question you are not meant to use a €900 residential Sky Italia sports package in a commercial environment as it is against the terms of the card itself. Sky Italia/Germany/UK are all related companies.

Luckycharms_74

STB wrote: »

With all due respect Sky and Setanta have no jurisdiction to threathen anyone unless that someone is pirating their cards or sharing their services illegally.

However, it is legal to buy european subscription cards to EPL within the EU. What is not legal is the broadcasting of EPL/FAPL copyright logos/graphics elements of the broadcast to the general public (ie commercial premises). Some company in the UK have recently won some European court case that allows them to offer a service that woul ensure that said broadcasts do no infringe copyright of the FAPL by placing advertisements in place of the elements that would infringe.

Bear in my mind that to use european services in a commercial environment is against the terms and conditions of the card itself. In short that means that the card could be cancelled if they discovered this.

Just my understanding.............



Plenty of publicans have been threathened with legal action. I would imagine that largely these threats relate to publicans being conned by fly by night satellite installers who are running card sharing servers on the side and selling same to unsupecting/complicit/ignorant publicans as a legitimate option, which most certainly is not the case. Not having a card whatsoever is piracy. I have seen this with my own eyes. Some publicans thought the services they were being sold were legit.

To answer your original question you are not meant to use a €900 residential Sky Italia sports package in a commercial environment as it is against the terms of the card itself. Sky Italia/Germany/UK are all related companies.

I though the crux of the Karen Murphy case was under EU law you could use foreign decoders, then the EPL copyrighted the EPL anthem, logos and graphics shown on screen. If you mask out those logos would that not circumvent the copyrights ?

STB

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

I though the crux of the Karen Murphy case was under EU law you could use foreign decoders, then the EPL copyrighted the EPL anthem, logos and graphics shown on screen. If you mask out those logos would that not circumvent the copyrights ?

Yes very much in that order. The copyright infringement issue was the last ditch attempt by the FAPL to save face otherwise it was carte blanche in the pubs.

Circumvent ? It is important to seperate the valid EU subscription and the copyright logos. If you have the first and you dont infringe copyright, you have broken no laws, probably.

I suggest you look up the net and see what the latest developments are. Konig is the name of the guy who is behind AdTech.

Luckycharms_74

STB wrote: »

Yes very much in that order. The copyright infringement issue was the last ditch attempt by the FAPL to save face otherwise it was carte blanche in the pubs.

Circumvent ? It is important to seperate the valid EU subscription and the copyright logos. If you have the first and you dont infringe copyright, you have broken no laws, probably.

I suggest you look up the net and see what the latest developments are. Konig is the name of the guy who is behind AdTech.

Thanks for the info man. I have mailed adtech regarding information on their system. I have searched the net but there is so many conflicting reports on whats the legal stance .
Any details for Konig ?

STB

I am sure if you google him you will find him. There are videos of the adtech system in action. £700 installation and £60 per month is a lot of money! http://www.tvadtech.com/news.html I dont know what sky charge for commercial premises these days. Is it 400 per month ?

Luckycharms_74

STB wrote: »

I am sure if you google him you will find him. There are videos of the adtech system in action. £700 installation and £60 per month is a lot of money! http://www.tvadtech.com/news.html I dont know what sky charge for commercial premises these days. Is it 400 per month ?

Sky charging between €400-€500 pm & setanta/bt €200
It's a fair chunk of cash every month to shell out

Irishmale0399

Hey Lucky Charms....
Maybe i am being ignorant however you mentioned in one of your posts that you Sky are charging you in Spain at commercial rates???

Here in Germany its not posible to get Sly UK/Ireland for my pub other than to use an Irish address. They have no legals rights in Germany as the PL rights are with Sky Germany amongst others and certainly dont control it. I had a German Sky agent in only last week and he was laughing....my Sky Germany deal was hiked to €800 a month with the new pricing policy, Sky Ireland with BT is cost little less than €100 a month. Asked him if it would cause a problem and he told me no, they have no rights in Germany or outside England/Ireland.

Luckycharms_74

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Hey Lucky Charms....
Maybe i am being ignorant however you mentioned in one of your posts that you Sky are charging you in Spain at commercial rates???

Here in Germany its not posible to get Sly UK/Ireland for my pub other than to use an Irish address. They have no legals rights in Germany as the PL rights are with Sky Germany amongst others and certainly dont control it. I had a German Sky agent in only last week and he was laughing....my Sky Germany deal was hiked to €800 a month with the new pricing policy, Sky Ireland with BT is cost little less than €100 a month. Asked him if it would cause a problem and he told me no, they have no rights in Germany or outside England/Ireland.

I was saying the the amount of Irish / uk domestic cards that get shipped out to Spain etc and sky do nothing about it.
I'm living in Ireland with commercial sub. That's interesting regarding the rights outside UK/Ireland. Would they not have property rights on the cards , etc
In fairness Sky would want to do something about the commercial prices its charging, it's crazy