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Another SORD question

  • 27-10-2013 10:19am
    #1
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭


    if you buy a car, lets say today, that hasn't been SORDd and isn't taxed, can you SORD it from today?

    Logically you should be able to, but seeing as the tax will be back-dated to 1 October and the SORD has to be made in advance, would you have to pay Octobers tax arrears and SORD from 1 November or , worse, pay three months tax and then SORD.


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  • #2
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    corktina wrote: »
    if you buy a car, lets say today, that hasn't been SORDd and isn't taxed, can you SORD it from today?

    Logically you should be able to, but seeing as the tax will be back-dated to 1 October and the SORD has to be made in advance, would you have to pay Octobers tax arrears and SORD from 1 November or , worse, pay three months tax and then SORD.

    My understanding is that you're only liable for tax from when you own it. So you should be able to sord it from now on but you'd still be liable for October.


  • #3
    YbFocus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,480 ✭✭✭YbFocus


    corktina wrote: »
    if you buy a car, lets say today, that hasn't been SORDd and isn't taxed, can you SORD it from today?

    Logically you should be able to, but seeing as the tax will be back-dated to 1 October and the SORD has to be made in advance, would you have to pay Octobers tax arrears and SORD from 1 November or , worse, pay three months tax and then SORD.

    Nope you can sord the car immediately after buying and pay no tax as far as I know!


  • #4
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    YbFocus wrote: »
    Nope you can sord the car immediately after buying and pay no tax as far as I know!

    Don't think so. You're liable for the month you bought it in, so this would mean taxing for all of October. ...

    I suspect a November purchase would be more. .... prudent ? ;)

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #5
    Scortho
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,876 ✭✭✭Scortho


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Don't think so. You're liable for the month you bought it in, so this would mean taxing for all of October. ...

    I suspect a November purchase would be more. .... prudent ? ;)

    But you'd still have to pay tax for November would you not? The car has to have tax on it in order to allow it be declared off the road does it not?


  • #6
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,822 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    Scortho wrote: »
    But you'd still have to pay tax for November would you not? The car has to have tax on it in order to allow it be declared off the road does it not?

    Mmmm.... thinks. ... I just imported a bike and I had 10 days to SORD it, which I did. .... is there no equivalence for buying here. ..mmm

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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  • #7
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    corktina wrote: »
    if you buy a car, lets say today, that hasn't been SORDd and isn't taxed, can you SORD it from today?

    Logically you should be able to, but seeing as the tax will be back-dated to 1 October and the SORD has to be made in advance, would you have to pay Octobers tax arrears and SORD from 1 November or , worse, pay three months tax and then SORD.

    If you buy car today, you can SORD it straight away.
    You have 10 days from day of purchase to do so.

    So in other words, you can actually buy car today, go to motortax office on 1st of November and submit off-the-road declaration for October and tax it from 1st November.


  • #8
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    galwaytt wrote: »
    Don't think so. You're liable for the month you bought it in, so this would mean taxing for all of October. ...

    No.
    You are liable for motor tax from date of purchase.
    Only what makes you pay for whole October is fact, that you can't pay from certain date like 27th Oct.
    But you can hand in declaration that you are not planning to use vehicle from time of purchase, and this declaration muse be made the latest 10 days after purchase.

    Did you not have the same case and eventually it worked out :)


  • #9
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    CiniO wrote: »
    If you buy car today, you can SORD it straight away.
    You have 10 days from day of purchase to do so.

    So in other words, you can actually buy car today, go to motortax office on 1st of November and submit off-the-road declaration for October and tax it from 1st November.

    That's what I would hope the situation would be, it's logical....however, I wont have the tax book for a week or more so how will I SORD or tax it?


  • #10
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    corktina wrote: »
    That's what I would hope the situation would be, it's logical....however, I wont have the tax book for a week or more so how will I SORD or tax it?

    That's a very good question.
    I'd just fill in RF150 form and leave "Vehicle registartion Certificate" field blank.
    What else you can do.
    In relation to taxing, you can't tax it until ownership is transferred (which is usually few days before you receive logbook in the post).


  • #11
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    It's ridiculous isn't it! What I would do if I was in buy mode (which I'm not btw) is not buy any car that isn't already SORD or taxed.

    Another question...in the UK the SORN dies on change of ownership and you would have to do a new SORN...is that the same here?


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  • #12
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    corktina wrote: »
    It's ridiculous isn't it! What I would do if I was in buy mode (which I'm not btw) is not buy any car that isn't already SORD or taxed.

    Another question...in the UK the SORN dies on change of ownership and you would have to do a new SORN...is that the same here?

    Yes.
    Same thing here.
    So no point buying SORDed car, as declaration made by previous owner dies out at the moment of sale.
    You have to make new one (within 10 days) if you don't intend using the car


  • #13
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    but at least it would make it clear about liability for tax.

    The tax continues across the change of ownership but the SORD doesn't. That isn't logical to me.If you wait for the taxbook, which many will, the ten days may have expired....


  • #14
    CiniO
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,069 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    corktina wrote: »
    but at least it would make it clear about liability for tax.

    The tax continues across the change of ownership but the SORD doesn't.
    I suppose there isn't any complications with tax passing onto new owner.
    With SORD it's more complicated, as it's declaration signed by person.
    If previous owner signs that he is not going to use the vehicle on public, then what would it have to do with new owner. Previous owner can't be sure new owner won't use it, so he can not take responsibility for it.
    So because of that it should be always the registered owner who makes the declaration, therefore new declaration is needed during change of ownership.
    That isn't logical to me.If you wait for the taxbook, which many will, the ten days may have expired....

    That true. That's why it's better not wait 10 days, but do it straight away, even if RF150 can't be filled in 100% completely.


  • #15
    corktina
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    Yes I agree, but a lot of people are going to get caught out here! I suppose they had the same in the UK until people got used to it.

    In the UK the SORN and the change of ownership would be dealt with by the DVLA whereas here the responsibility is split between Shannon and the Co Councils. That isn't helpful as you would have to make sure the taxbook got sent to Shannon and remember to send the RF150 to the Council, whereas in the UK you could send the documents together if the seller was co-operative.


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