131 or 132?

veetwin

The father is currently in the process of buying a new car and has the option of a 131 car registered 6 months ago with 80 kms on the clock. Another dealer has a unregistered car of the exact same spec for €600 more.

In the opinion of boardsies is the brand new car worth €600 more? The pre registered car has 6 months of the 5 year warranty used.

Alanstrainor

Only 600 in the difference? Would have expected more to be honest. I'm no reg snob, but I'd have the new car if that's all that's in it.

Mr Simpson

I wouldn't see the point in paying the €600 extra. Also, you may be able to push for a better discount for the 131. Dealer was offering me €4k for me trade in and €13900 for 131 car. Got it for €5k trade in and €12900 for the 131 car after I went to walk out

veetwin

Both prices are the result of 2 days horse trading with 2 different dealers and these are the final prices so they say at least. The pre reg car comes with 6 months tax also. The new car will have to be taxed (€200 p.a.)

colm_mcm

Time to try more dealers tbh.

veetwin

colm_mcm wrote: »

Time to try more dealers tbh.

To be fair he has tried pretty much every dealer within a 2 hour radius. Both deals are IMHO pretty good. It's just a matter whether the new car is worth €600 more.

colm_mcm

How long do you think he'll keep the car?

veetwin

Usually 3 to 4 years.

colm_mcm

I can't see the smaller remaining warranty, 131 vs 132, or the extra owner really mattering at that stage.

veetwin

Yeah I'm thinking the same. In 3 years time both cars will be valued around they same. The new car costs €600 more plus he will have the outlay of a years tax meaning a much bigger outlay for not a lot more.

colm_mcm

What colour is the pre reg?

MuppetCheck

Surely he should be getting more off the pre-reg if an unregistered one is only 600 more? What kind of car is it?

colm_mcm

I know when I was selling cars, demo discount was only around €600-700 but you'd take less margin on the deal to shift it once you're finished with it.
In this case the dealer might be taking minimal margin from the new car.

lomb

If the older one is new ie not driven then Id run with that. Its 800 quid cheaper after all. Frankly the year is nearly up and the extra resale value is sweet f all of the 132 which was always going to be a sales scam to sell more cars.

Voodoomelon

I'd take the 131 and push for a bit more. If I got €800 or more i'd be chuffed, won't make the slightest difference when you go to sell.

mickdw

Id go for the new one every time.
Depending on the car of course, 600 is a small portion of the purchase price.
Getting only 600 off for a 6 month old car even if rarely driven sounds poor to me. The warranty could well be an issue too.
It might also be worth looking at any insurance issues. Alot of insurers offer new for old if car is written off in first year if bought new. It's unlikely to be an issue but you never know.
My parents bought a pre reg passat with 15 miles on it and 2 weeks old. They saved a pile of money. 600 sounds like a joke tbh.

veetwin

colm_mcm wrote: »

What colour is the pre reg?

It's kind of a silver with a hint of blue. Looks fine in fairness and the father isn't hugely pushed about the colour anyway. If he were to go for the new one he would have a choice of the same silver colour or a beige colour which happens to be the same as what he has already.

mickdw

So he is taking a stock car if buying new. Much difference in price for a factory order? Might give a better indication as to how good or bad a deal he is getting.

colm_mcm

Factory order would pretty much mean 141 reg to be fair.

veetwin

mickdw wrote: »

So he is taking a stock car if buying new. Much difference in price for a factory order? Might give a better indication as to how good or bad a deal he is getting.

I don't think he has looked at the option of a factory order and if he was I'm guessing it would be a much more expensive option and would also be a 141 reg at this stage.

At the outset of the process he assumed he would be getting a 12 or early 131 so he is happy enough with getting more or less a brand new car where is is pre registered or not.

The comparison with the Passat is not entirely accurate...factory order v car the dealer has in stock means there will always be a big difference.

lomb

Could you tell us the car, the list price inc delivery and what he is getting the 131 for . Seeing as 13 is virtually over I would want 20% minimum off list and probably 25. The way Ive calculated that is say 108% is the rrp. 100% is the after discount new price. 80% is the 1 year old price which is what any 13 car is whether its 131 or a week old 132

colm_mcm

What if the dealer doesn't give 20% off, do you walk away?

With a trade in involved its hard to say what's what anyway.

veetwin

It's a Peugeot 3008 Ecomatique 1.6d. List price is €26675 plus delivery. He is trading in a 2010 manual base model (steel wheels, no Bluetooth or cruise)3008 1.6d with 70k kms. Cost to change is €12400 for the 131 or €13000 for the 132.

_Kaiser_

lomb wrote: »

Could you tell us the car, the list price inc delivery and what he is getting the 131 for . Seeing as 13 is virtually over I would want 20% minimum off list and probably 25. The way Ive calculated that is say 108% is the rrp. 100% is the after discount new price. 80% is the 1 year old price which is what any 13 car is whether its 131 or a week old 132

Indeed.. this 131/132 nonsense will make no difference to those that care about the reg plate insofar as in less than 6 weeks time they're both last year's cars anyway.

In 2/3/4 years it'll make even less difference.

Has this 131/132 stuff actually made any real difference to total sales for the year? Will sense prevail and come 2015 we'll be back to a digit identifier?

colm_mcm

There can't be that many people in the market for a nearly new one of those...
I might do a U-turn on this one and suggest you play hard ball. They wont want that in stock.

veetwin

In fairness he has got them down from €13.5k to €12.4. I don't know if there is too much more in them. I get what your saying though. Fairly limited market for this type of car. Of course this also has him worried also about resale value in 3-4 years.

MuppetCheck

Definitely the new one in that case. They won't be rushing out the door.

Unless he needs an automatic I really would avoid that transmission. It ruins what is otherwise a pretty decent car, it's neither smooth or economical.

bazz26

Is that the same EGS box that is in the Picasso/Grand Picasso? If so then I'd avoid it, they are terrible and can be troublesome.

colm_mcm

Does he need an automatic? Aren't these basically the sensodrive gearbox?

MuppetCheck

colm_mcm wrote: »

Does he need an automatic? Aren't these basically the sensodrive gearbox?

Automated manual - probably a relation of it.

veetwin

colm_mcm wrote: »

Does he need an automatic? Aren't these basically the sensodrive gearbox?

Don't know if he needs one but he definitely wants one which I think is a good enough reason to get one. They are both approaching 70 so why not?

The transmission is apparently more economical and is less to tax then the manual which is a bonus. He is aware that it is not as smooth as a proper auto.

colm_mcm

The only reason its more economical is because the gearbox was programmed specifically to change gear early and perform well on the euro emissions cycle test.
This doesn't translate to better real world mpg though.

MuppetCheck

At his age it might not be a bad idea to be fair. I wouldn't imagine great economy in one - no matter how hard I tried it seemed to hover around the 40 mark on a good tank. The one I had was badly treated through its life and wrecked though so it may have had an impact.

mad m

Test drove a VW 1.4 highline last week, it was a 132 reg but it was registered to the garage, feck all mileage on it. Reason stated was VW asked them to reg the car so VW can be on top as more registered cars. List price for this car if I was ordering it is around 29k, garage was selling it for 25k. The rep said they pass on the discount etc....

colm_mcm

mad m wrote: »

Test drove a VW 1.4 highline last week, it was a 132 reg but it was registered to the garage, feck all mileage on it. Reason stated was VW asked them to reg the car so VW can be on top as more registered cars. List price for this car if I was ordering it is around 29k, garage was selling it for 25k. The rep said they pass on the discount etc....

Yep, that's giving away all the margin plus the demo discount.

mad m

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yep, that's giving away all the margin plus the demo discount.

Yeah, no point saying I have cash, terrible trade in option also. It was like trying to bargain with a child in a corner with his bottle, wasn't getting anything.

Brand new one every time for me, even if there was a bit more in the price difference.

MuppetCheck

Zara Happy Nag wrote: »

Brand new one every time for me, even if there was a bit more in the price difference.

Well if it was the colour and extras you wanted then yes. If you just want one in any colour I'd go with the cheapest - but it needs to be a good bit cheaper. 700 including tax...I'd pick the new too.

MuppetCheck

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Well if it was the colour and extras you wanted then yes. If you just want one in any colour I'd go with the cheapest - but it needs to be a good bit cheaper. 700 including tax...I'd pick the new too.

Well yeah if the cars are comparable I'd rather pay the bit more for the new one. How much more I'd be willing to pay I don't know until I'd be faced with the choice and how much the over all cost was. I'd definitely pay the 700 euro or a bit more on a 13k car to have the brand new one.