Milk Protein

dungfly

Seeing as farmers get paid on % protein I would like to learn more about boosting protein in my herd. What is the national average % protein in milk for particular years. I am finding it difficult to find info on protein?

Pacoa

Breeding to positive percentage ai bulls and keeping plenty of leafy grass going into cows. Thats my receipe for high protien.

delaval

I don't know what national figure is but Glanbia include average coop figures so you can compare to yours

RobertKK

As Pacoa said, breeding for protein is what pays off. I look at the glanbia agrilink website and you can see what you sent over the years and you can see how breeding for protein over the years does make a difference.

It is energy intake for protein and fibre for butterfat.

mf240

Protien is 55% geneticts 45% nutrition.

Milk recording and culling low protien cows and keeping replacements from the best, and using top AI bulls for protien. Will help the first one.

Top quality grass/resseding and enough good quality meal when grass is scarce will help the second one.
Grazing grass before its stemmy is important too.

dungfly

RobertKK wrote: »

As Pacoa said, breeding for protein is what pays off. I look at the glanbia agrilink website and you can see what you sent over the years and you can see how breeding for protein over the years does make a difference.

It is energy intake for protein and fibre for butterfat.

How does one breed for protein exactly?

mahoney_j

dungfly wrote: »

How does one breed for protein exactly?

Use milk records,pick bulls that will increase ur cows base protein and feed cows correctly eg leafy grass and keep diet as high in energy and stable as possible.it ain't a quick fix though and will take years of good breeding to pay off

mahoney_j

dungfly wrote: »

How does one breed for protein exactly?

Use milk records,pick bulls that will increase ur cows base protein and feed cows correctly eg leafy grass and keep diet as high in energy and stable as possible.it ain't a quick fix though and will take years of good breeding to pay off

dungfly

mahoney_j wrote: »

Use milk records,pick bulls that will increase ur cows base protein and feed cows correctly eg leafy grass and keep diet as high in energy and stable as possible.it ain't a quick fix though and will take years of good breeding to pay off

On the picking a bull side. How do I select appropriate bulls that improve my current protein %?

RobertKK

dungfly wrote: »

How does one breed for protein exactly?

Pick bulls that have good positive protein percentage.

Use the ICBF herdplus and in the dairy sire advice section go to select bulls using traits.
Then you can choose bulls based on their protein percentage. You can choose bulls that will increase milk volume while increasing protein %.

dungfly

RobertKK wrote: »

Pick bulls that have good positive protein percentage.

Use the ICBF herdplus and in the dairy sire advice section go to select bulls using traits.
Then you can choose bulls based on their protein percentage. You can choose bulls that will increase milk volume while increasing protein %.

I am fascinated with your knowledge and interest in this area. Any other advice for high protein bulls?

Timmaay

If your with progressive/Munster, use the likes of PBM, he has a protein of 17kg, KSK, ABO, and a new one WWF are very high also. One of the lads posted this:http://issuu.com/laurencefeeney/docs/autumn2013dairy up on the dairy bulls thread yday. Plenty of bulls with excellent fertility and very good production also. Has sort of made up my mind that I definitely don't need to go down the Xbred route!

dungfly

National average protein is 3.28%. Highest national protein is 3.6%.
http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/36pc-protein-milk-level-scoops-national-title-26032688.html

jersey101

Theres plenty of choice out there now. Alot of good fr bulls coming in now with high fert and high solids. If your going to choose i high solids bull try get ones with high fert aswell. A cow that will calve down every 365 days for you will be worth more than a cow giving high solids.

dungfly

jersey101 wrote: »

Theres plenty of choice out there now. Alot of good fr bulls coming in now with high fert and high solids. If your going to choose i high solids bull try get ones with high fert aswell. A cow that will calve down every 365 days for you will be worth more than a cow giving high solids.

What criteria and weighting should I take into account for high protein sires?

-Protein
-Fertility

6480

does a high % of heifers in the herd cut protein ?

Timmaay

Hmm for me, 50:50 split across the both of them? As Jersey said, the cow has to calf every year. But she has to give a decent amount of kGs of MS, with Protein being the big payer.

jersey101

dungfly wrote: »

What criteria and weighting should I take into account for high protein sires?

-Protein
-Fertility

priority for me would be fert. What point is a cow with high solids if she wont go back in calf? .
Ive 3 cows here now with very high solids but wont go back in calf. If you chase fert. Your pro will come in turn.

Timmaay

6480 wrote: »

does a high % of heifers in the herd cut protein ?

Assuming the heifers are better than yourown cows, then no, they should increase the protein %. But naturally, they will have a lower yield in their 1st lactation, so overall KGs of MS will be lower.

keep going

What about grassland management-protein is almost a direct measurement of grass quality

RobertKK

dungfly wrote: »

What criteria and weighting should I take into account for high protein sires?

-Protein
-Fertility

High EBI sires.

For protein above +0.1%
Fertility on the EBI index a minimum 120.

You can get bulls with high fertility and milk protein % like gxy, jkf wly, yrc, pbm, ksk.
i think the choice of good protein bulls with fertility and positive milk kgs has increased in recent times.

funny man

Protein is 60% breeding, 30% feeding and 10% other factors.

td5man

funny man wrote: »

Protein is 60% breeding, 30% feeding and 10% other factors.

10% luck ???? :-[

dungfly

funny man wrote: »

Protein is 60% breeding, 30% feeding and 10% other factors.

Where are you getting theses figures? Where can i learn more about breeding for protein?

td5man

This weeks results bfat4.95 protein 3.95.
Wonder what it will be when theyre in full time??

Timmaay

td5man wrote: »

This weeks results bfat4.95 protein 3.95.
Wonder what it will be when theyre in full time??

Hmm i may check my agrilink when I'm back on the laptop, but I'd say mine at this time yr weren't far off a full % lower on both!

pms7

Keep silage out of milking cows diet

whelan1

pms7 wrote: »

Keep silage out of milking cows diet

protein went from 3.65 to 3.55 when grass silage came in to their diet here bf stayed at 4.16