covering maternity leave, school outings

ruthj

I am covering maternity leave in a secondary school. I took a group of students on a trip and am being told that i don't get paid for the four classes that are on my timetable for that day since i wasn't there to teach them. I am also helping out and coaching a team and am being told the same will apply if i go to the games. can anyone shed some light on this????

ytareh

Contact union?Shower of £$%^&s to try pull this on you !!!

teacherhead

ruthj wrote: »

I am covering maternity leave in a secondary school. I took a group of students on a trip and am being told that i don't get paid for the four classes that are on my timetable for that day since i wasn't there to teach them. I am also helping out and coaching a team and am being told the same will apply if i go to the games. can anyone shed some light on this????

I would not agree with that. The school are being paid to hire you and probably covered your absence with s\s so they are effectively making money off your good will.

Thst is exploitation of the worst kind. I would be inclined to raise the matter again and indicate that you won't be in a position to take teams anymore in light of this issue.

It really baffles me how.some schools are run. That really is appalling carry on.

byhookorbycrook

In primary, we coach teams and go to matches on our own times. Not being paid for being on a school trip is taking the proverbial though.

joebloggs32

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

In primary, we coach teams and go to matches on our own times. Not being paid for being on a school trip is taking the proverbial though.

In primary all your games are local. I have often travelled over 2hours to get to a game

joebloggs32

ruthj wrote: »

I am covering maternity leave in a secondary school. I took a group of students on a trip and am being told that i don't get paid for the four classes that are on my timetable for that day since i wasn't there to teach them. I am also helping out and coaching a team and am being told the same will apply if i go to the games. can anyone shed some light on this????

Tell them you can't afford to take teams from now on.

implausible

Union, union, union! And I would simply tell the principal that I am very sorry, but I can't afford to lose pay by doing extra-curricular activities. What a shower of f~ckers!

byhookorbycrook

joebloggs32 wrote: »

In primary all your games are local. I have often travelled over 2hours to get to a game

And you know this how? Some Cumann na nBunscol schools can be easily be at least 90 mins apart. And we still coach teams outside of school hours, bigger fools us as it doesn't count towards Croke Park or Haddington Road.

thefasteriwalk

That is ****ing crazy! I've never heard of anything like that before. Stop doing all the extras - seriously.

ethical

This is bullying and harassment of the highest order.Get your Union on to the case immediately...................and place a letter in the local paper!

Crazyteacher

Get your contract out , politely state the terms to the person who told you that and if there's any hassle go straight to your union rep. Any further events , I'd hold back if they don't pay you.

f3232

Crazyteacher wrote: »

Get your contract out , politely state the terms to the person who told you that and if there's any hassle go straight to your union rep. Any further events , I'd hold back if they don't pay you.

Contract? You really think they have been given a contract?

There is plenty of young unemployed teachers that would do the job if the poster wont.

keep your mouth shut and get on with it OP.

sitstill

f3232 wrote: »

Contract? You really think they have been given a contract?

There is plenty of young unemployed teachers that would do the job if the poster wont.

keep your mouth shut and get on with it OP.

Sorry that is just not on.

It is true that in some respects, the OP should be happy to have a job but to expect them to take teams and classes on trips etc and then not be paid for that time is simply not on.

Inspector Coptoor

f3232 wrote: »

Contract? You really think they have been given a contract?

There is plenty of young unemployed teachers that would do the job if the poster wont.

keep your mouth shut and get on with it OP.

This is exactly the kind if prevailing attitude that is spreading like a cancer in teaching and contributing to the denigration if the profession.

OP, don't let yourself be exploited like this.

f3232

Inspector Coptoor wrote: »

This is exactly the kind if prevailing attitude that is spreading like a cancer in teaching and contributing to the denigration if the profession.

Snap.

Crazyteacher

f3232 wrote: »

Contract? You really think they have been given a contract?

There is plenty of young unemployed teachers that would do the job if the poster wont.

keep your mouth shut and get on with it OP.

Yes every employee gets a contract or terms of employment .

f3232

Crazyteacher wrote: »

Yes every employee gets a contract or terms of employment .

Ask the OP did he/she?

Also I would say the majority of part time teachers do not get a contract handed to them, or a significant minority.

Although some on here think up to the employee to go looking for it.

In a situation like the OPs where the employer is so blatant in the illegality do you seriously think the same person has a written contract?


Go to the union?

In my experience the union rep is usually a lackey of the VEC or management etc and lacks impartially, they would be the last person I would go to.


Then again I am a cynic

seavill

f3232 wrote: »

Ask the OP did he/she?

Also I would say the majority of part time teachers do not get a contract handed to them, or a significant minority.

Although some on here think up to the employee to go looking for it.

In a situation like the OPs where the employer is so blatant in the illegality do you seriously think the same person has a written contract?


Go to the union?

In my experience the union rep is usually a lackey of the VEC or management etc and lacks impartially, they would be the last person I would go to.


Then again I am a cynic

Clearly!!

If you do not want to go to the union rep go to the union to seek advice. I always found the union reps to be excellent in my schools.

Usually if feeling unsure I find an older teacher there years is always a good place to start if you have one you feel comfortable talking to

implausible

f3232 wrote: »

Contract? You really think they have been given a contract?

There is plenty of young unemployed teachers that would do the job if the poster wont.

keep your mouth shut and get on with it OP.

A maternity leave is not just subbing, it's a fixed term contract with terms and conditions.

Does being a cynic give you the right to give advice that perpetuates the situation you're so cynical about?

f3232

implausible wrote: »

A maternity leave is not just subbing, it's a fixed term contract with terms and conditions.

Does being a cynic give you the right to give advice that perpetuates the situation you're so cynical about?

I was being ironic. I have done maternity leave contracts in the past. Never given a contract. I also know 2 teachers in my own school doing maternity leaves have not and will not be given contracts. What should happen and what DOES happen are two very different things.

And without wanting to get at unions and reps they are powerless to much about it.

TheDriver

implausible wrote: »

A maternity leave is not just subbing, it's a fixed term contract with terms and conditions.

Does being a cynic give you the right to give advice that perpetuates the situation you're so cynical about?

you get a contract if its more than a number of weeks. So if a maternity started on 1sy July, the amount of teaching weeks is less than that required for a contract and hence it is basically subbing work

rainbowtrout

f3232 wrote: »

I was being ironic. I have done maternity leave contracts in the past. Never given a contract. I also know 2 teachers in my own school doing maternity leaves have not and will not be given contracts. What should happen and what DOES happen are two very different things.

And without wanting to get at unions and reps they are powerless to much about it.

Irony is not much help to the OP. And your experience does not mean the OP should have to put up with not getting paid for work done.

f3232

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Irony is not much help to the OP. And your experience does not mean the OP should have to put up with not getting paid for work done.

I am seeing more and more sharp practices like this been accepted and ignored by permanent teaching staff who want to keep their heads down and show no solidarity with their fellow professionals.

Tell me why are senior staff not making sure this does not happen, outside of unions etc?


Ironically its this kind of myself mentality that has our profession where it is for all teaching staff.

f3232

TheDriver wrote: »

you get a contract if its more than a number of weeks. So if a maternity started on 1sy July, the amount of teaching weeks is less than that required for a contract and hence it is basically subbing work

Why is their no contractual rights for people who come for a days subbing? I'm serious, basic duties rights and entitlements set out?

Most maternity leave positions are non casual part time contracts and if the OP is taking teams I d say they are in that category.

rainbowtrout

f3232 wrote: »

I am seeing more and more sharp practices like this been accepted and ignored by permanent teaching staff who want to keep their heads down and show no solidarity with their fellow professionals.

Tell me why are senior staff not making sure this does not happen, outside of unions etc?


Ironically its this kind of myself mentality that has our profession where it is for all teaching staff.

And in your earlier posts you dismissed suggestions that the OP should go to the union rep because it was a waste of time and again in your opinion that rep is usually a lackey of the VEC/management.

Another sweeping generalisation and simply not true.

The OP was given good advice, the first port of call should be the union rep for advice on how to proceed regarding their contract and employment rights. Unions have negotiating rights with schools/VECs not permanent members of staff.

f3232

rainbowtrout wrote: »

And in your earlier posts you dismissed suggestions that the OP should go to the union rep because it was a waste of time and again in your opinion that rep is usually a lackey of the VEC/management.

Another sweeping generalisation and simply not true.

The OP was given good advice, the first port of call should be the union rep for advice on how to proceed regarding their contract and employment rights. Unions have negotiating rights with schools/VECs not permanent members of staff.

Another case of shooting the messenger I see.

If there was systems in place by unions that ensured all part time workers were given contracts, explanation of rights and entitlements in work (as part of induction process etc) issues regarding pro-rata entitlements and duties were spelled out, this would take the onus of the vulnerable worker from having to assert their entitlements in the first place.

Of course such a system would require the unions to grow a pair.

implausible

f3232 wrote: »

Another case of shooting the messenger I see.

If there was systems in place by unions that ensured all part time workers were given contracts, explanation of rights and entitlements in work (as part of induction process etc) issues regarding pro-rata entitlements and duties were spelled out, this would take the onus of the vulnerable worker from having to assert their entitlements in the first place.

Of course such a system would require the unions to grow a pair.

Em, it's the employer's responsibility to give contracts, the union gets involved when there's a problem. The union diary and websites have this information, as do most reps off the top of their head. It is not a union rep's repsonsibility to sit down every teacher (member and non-member) and explain all their rights to them.

I do agree, however, that new teachers should have an awareness of their entitlements and rights as part of induction or in the PGDE. Leaving it up to the unions to inform people on their rights presumes that all teachers will join a union and will attend meetings often enough to get a handle on common problems and issues.

solerina

If you are missing class due to being on other school business then you should get paid...I have never heard of anything like this....stop doing these trips/extra curricular or get onto the school steward to stand up for you. This is exploitation of the worst kind