What are the laws and rules on Tor

photofinish

Firstly is Tor Browser legal in Ireland?

Lastly if it is legal do UPC and other ISPs allow it in their terms and conditions?

photofinish

And before anybody calls me a pervert or something this should be of interest.

Google Has Indexed Only 0.004% of All Data on the Internet

http://www.webanalyticsworld.net/2010/11/google-indexes-only-0004-of-all-data-on.html


So the Dark Web as it's called accounts for the other 99.996% or the web.

Amirani

I see no reason why it'd be considered illegal. I haven't heard anything to suggest it would be anyway.

Gatling

Didn't think there would be an actual legal issue with it ,
I know a good few people using it since the prism leaks

photofinish

NiallSparky wrote: »

I see know reason why it'd be considered illegal. I haven't heard anything to suggest it would be anyway.

It listed that site that was shut down called the Silk Road that was like Ebay only for drugs and weapons.

The Silk Road was shut down a few days ago and the owner arrested in the States.

frozenfrozen

He was caught because he had what was effectively a paypal account where people could drop a few dollars into to help destroy the lives of the people who were looking to catch him.. i.e. sending them large shipments of drugs and weapons to try get them caught..

you wont be caught for simply going on tor, but be warned.. it gets very boring very quick, and you'll see something not nice and then be afraid to go back

vibe666

It's basically just a vpn at the end of the day, nothing illegal about them.

The caveat there though is that you have very little control of the endpoint, so you have a certain amount of risk with that, so don't go making any online transactions whilst it's connected.

You also have a risk with acting as an endpoint for the tor network as you have no control over who uses it, or for what, which means someone could be using you to surf kiddy porn sites, fraud or for terrorist type purposes and you could end liable for anything they do with your connection.

photofinish

vibe666 wrote: »

It's basically just a vpn at the end of the day, nothing illegal about them.

The caveat there though is that you have very little control of the endpoint, so you have a certain amount of risk with that, so don't go making any online transactions whilst it's connected.

You also have a risk with acting as an endpoint for the tor network as you have no control over who uses it, or for what, which means someone could be using you to surf kiddy porn sites, fraud or for terrorist type purposes and you could end liable for anything they do with your connection.

Do you mean other Tor users get to assume my IP number?

UCDVet

Tor isn't illegal in Ireland, but (just like plenty of websites) there is content that is considered illegal.

I don't know if you are already using it/are very familiar with it; but it's a lot like the regular internet. If you are looking for bad stuff, you can find it (the additional layer of anonymity makes it popular for bad stuff) but I never accidentally stumbled onto anything. And there were plenty of legit sites.

I love the idea and the technology behind it....but I found it to be too slow for regular surfing.

photofinish

I did install it but I got rid of it after about 2 mins as the idea seemed a bit dodgy.

The idea that so much of the web is hidden I find fascinating.

vibe666

photofinish wrote: »

Do you mean other Tor users get to assume my IP number?

yep, although I think it gives you the option to disable using yourself as an endpoint.

Imagine some dude in Russia using it to set up some online banking scam and using you as an endpoint to cover his tracks. That could get you a knock on the door by the garda.

photofinish

vibe666 wrote: »

yep, although I think it gives you the option to disable using yourself as an endpoint.

Imagine some dude in Russia using it to set up some online banking scam and using you as an endpoint to cover his tracks. That could get you a knock on the door by the garda.

Thanks I am glad I asked for advice I don't like the idea of how it works the Deep Web can stay submerged thank you very much.:D

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

photofinish wrote: »

And before anybody calls me a pervert or something this should be of interest.




http://www.webanalyticsworld.net/2010/11/google-indexes-only-0004-of-all-data-on.html


So the Dark Web as it's called accounts for the other 99.996% or the web.

i'm not sure where you got that link, i'm sure Google index more than 200TB. and google definitely miss out on stuff and they're having trouble with the accelration of data generated these days but they get way more than 0.004% of the web. the darknet that Goole don't reach refers mostly to information hidden behind search forms and stuff like that.

there certainly isn't that much on the tor 'dark web'.

ElNino

Also the NSA cracked the security on Tor recently leading to the arrest of that guy in Dublin recently. So if you use Tor you may be monitored by the NSA. There is an interesting blog post on the subject here
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/how_the_nsa_att.html

Gatling

ElNino wrote: »

Also the NSA cracked the security on Tor recently leading to the arrest of that guy in Dublin recently. So if you use Tor you may be monitored by the NSA. There is an interesting blog post on the subject here
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/how_the_nsa_att.html

NSA have been monitoring everything and every one that's actually ever used the internet it seems

vibe666

Spend an hour looking at some of the darker stuff on liveleak and you'll quickly find out that there are a lot of things on the internet that you really don't want (or need) to see, it or even know about.

In my younger, more curious days before I had discovered how dark the "dark" side of the net actually was, I watched a genuine, very graphic close up video of a soldier being murdered and it has literally scarred me for life.

That was probably 15 years ago now and my heart is thumping in my chest just thinking about it now. There is plenty of sh1t online that normal people really don't need to see. don't make the mistake of finding that out the hard way.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

vibe666 wrote: »

Spend an hour looking at some of the darker stuff on liveleak and you'll quickly find out that there are a lot of things on the internet that you really don't want (or need) to see, it or even know about.

In my younger, more curious days before I had discovered how dark the "dark" side of the net actually was, I watched a genuine, very graphic close up video of a soldier being murdered and it has literally scarred me for life.

That was probably 15 years ago now and my heart is thumping in my chest just thinking about it now. There is plenty of sh1t online that normal people really don't need to see. don't make the mistake of finding that out the hard way.

lemme guess, the russian solders beheaded by the chechens?

vibe666

georgiecasey wrote: »

lemme guess, the russian solders beheaded by the chechens?

no, some poor dude getting his throat cut (the proper way, not the movie way).

I read that there's some big thing going on with drug cartels in Mexico at the minute and there is apparently a video doing the rounds of 2 guys getting beheaded with a chainsaw.

It also seems that beheading videos are no longer banned from being posted on Facebook any more as long as you are condemning them, not celebrating them, so expect that to start appearing in your feed before too long. Breast feeding videos and pictures are still banned though, just so nobody gets offended by an exposed boob whilst they're looking at graphic videos of people getting their noggins removed. :rolleyes:

red_bairn

ElNino wrote: »

Also the NSA cracked the security on Tor recently leading to the arrest of that guy in Dublin recently. So if you use Tor you may be monitored by the NSA. There is an interesting blog post on the subject here
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/how_the_nsa_att.html

Dublin guy? Who was that? ...BitCoin related?

ElNino

red_bairn wrote: »

Dublin guy? Who was that? ...BitCoin related?

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/08/alleged-tor-hidden-service-operator-busted-for-child-porn-distribution/

Ziycon

TOR is grand, nothing illegal about it. It's used by a lot or reporters around the world in countries that monitor the internet traffic which is a story for another day.

sherab

Even more grand, you can buy routers now that have Tor embedded in them, pretty cheaply. Just plug in your ethernet and hook to the router's wireless access point. I own a PAPARouter and it works great. Tor usage is only going to grow.

Capt'n Midnight

If using tor assume the NSA are running 10% of the exit nodes.

Anyone at an exit node sees your final destination and any unencrypted traffic, and could do a traffic analysis of encrypted traffic. Or could store it on the off chance the encryption algorithms could be decrypted in future, like if it turns out that someone screwed up and there are only 65K combinations in use.

If you decide to run a tor exit node at least try to have it on a virtual box in a different country.