Anything wrong with this.

There was a guy on newstalk yesterday afternoon, he has some sort of construction degree and a masters in construction management he is unemployed he was sent a letter by social welfare informing him of a job in Canada. He seemed to be annoyed by this as far as I could make out( his had a very broad Limerick/cork? type accent so a bit hard to follow him)

Did he have a right to be annoyed about this, should social welfare send unemployed people letters to people about jobs in Canada?

The Dagda

Of course he had a right to be annoyed, the commute from Limerick/Cork would make a job in Canada unsustainable.

Banjo String

I suppose so.

It's kinda like them telling him to take another job on the other side of the world or fcuk off I suppose.

What if the HSE decided to send letters out to cancer patients telling them the health service in Canada is free?

Should there be any expectation that people will move for work? its a hard one, but no you cant really expect people to move for works on the other had if you live in rural Roscommon and you have a degree in nuclear science your chances of getting a job are no going to be great if you want to stay where your are.

Banjo String

mariaalice wrote: »

Should there be any expectation that people will move for work? its a hard one, but no you cant really expect people to move for works on the other had if you live in rural Roscommon and you have a degree in nuclear science your chances of getting a job are no going to be great if you want to stay where your are.

Forced emigration?

Banjo String

Banjo String wrote: »

Forced emigration?

I think that might have been his point that it is coming across as a sort of encouraged emigration!! he was interesting to listen to, apparently fas wanted him to do a welding course as there is a lot of demand for deep sea welders.

SeventySix

Did they threaten to cut off his social wefare unless he emigrated? If not, seems like all they are doing is informing him of some options. No one is forcing him to do anything.

Menas

I heard that interview and the shocking thing for me was that with all his qualifications the social were trying to get him to go on a welding course.
Also that when he was working in the Netherlands some company invited him back to Ireland to do a job interview. So he payed his own ticket home and during the interview he was told it was for a job bridge role. Ridiculous inviting someone with 15 years experience to fly home to do an interview for a job bridge role that they would not be eligible for (at the time he was not unemployed and claiming welfare in Ireland).

splashthecash

On the other hand, if he had been one of the many people thinking about emigrating it would have been useful information....its individual. I wouldn't be against this tbh - its up to each person whether they want to make use of the letter. I would need to see the context of the letter but I dont think it can be classed as forced immigration or anything like that.

kneemos

mariaalice wrote: »

I think that might have been his point that it is coming across as a sort of encouraged emigration!! he was interesting to listen to, apparently fas wanted him to do a welding course as there is a lot of demand for deep sea welders.

Love their welding courses do FAS.
Surprised we haven't got a nation of welders.

SeventySix

mariaalice wrote: »

I think that might have been his point that it is coming across as a sort of encouraged emigration!! he was interesting to listen to, apparently fas wanted him to do a welding course as there is a lot of demand for deep sea welders.

This, to me, is fair enough. They cant create a job for him in construction, so they offer him a place on a course where there is a demand for workers.

Is there anything they could have done to make this guy happy? No jobs in construction in Ireland that would utilise his skills so they keep him abreast of jobs in his area abroad, and they offer him a course that might get him a job in a different industry. Seems to me, for this guy, they are actually doing a good job.

Banjo String

kneemos wrote: »

Love their welding courses do FAS.
Surprised we haven't got a nation of welders.

I dated a welders daughter once.

She had acetylene tits.

(Welder by trade. This is an in joke in the trade)

gobnaitolunacy

Banjo String wrote: »

I dated a welders daughter once.

She had acetylene tits.

(Welder by trade. This is an in joke in the trade)

Explains the lack of welders in the stand-up circuit.

Czarcasm

Banjo String wrote: »

I dated a welders daughter once.

She had acetylene tits.

(Welder by trade. This is an in joke in the trade)

"SIG not allowed"...

Yes, I spotted that...


/gets coat welding mask :pac:

The_Pretender

They would probably be better sending out information packs on further education, instead of asking someone who the state has spent thousands on educating to consider leaving, and letting the other country reap the benefits.

Tombi!

What SeventySix said.
We need more info. If it was "go to Canada or get the dole removed" then yes, very wrong. If it's just "hey there's a job in Canada you might be good for" then it's fine.

SeaFields

During the post budget debate in the Dail, Michael McGrath (FF) produced one of these social welfare letters. I can remember the exact details but the individual was being notified of a job abroad and advised to submit a CV.

Joan Burton is certainly getting the dole figures down...me thinks its got feck all to do with actual jobs being created.

Local-womanizer

In fairness to social welfare, they can't just pull a job out of their arse for him. Sure if they inform him of a job abroad it's up to him if he wants it or not, at least they give him the opportunity to turn it down.

If some one has a qualification which is not carpel of giving them a job, in that guys case it is all construction related and not the kind of construction qualification's that are needed at the moment and as such he might be on welfare for the foreseeable future,

What do the people of boards think should happen to him as regards getting welfare or getting a job.

Do people have any responsibility to go where the work is.

Tombi!

mariaalice wrote: »

If some one has a qualification which is not carpel of giving them a job, in that guys case it is all construction related and not the kind of construction qualification's that are needed at the moment and as such he might be on welfare for the foreseeable future,

What do the people of boards think should happen to him as regards getting welfare or getting a job.

Do people have any responsibility to go where the work is.

Yes in the country. We're not a third world country.
If they say, here there's a job two hours on train and the employer will pay for the first month's rent or whatever, great.

If they try to force you out of the country it's an insult.

Obviously courses (as in proper courses, not some of the FÁS stuff they try to pander) would also be useful.

SeventySix

TBH if his current qualification is useless to him here, I would expect him to change industries - either to start appling for unskilled/semi skilled work or to go back to education. What is the alternative - sit on welfare, apply for the two jobs a year that come up, and get more and more unemployable? If he doesnt want to retrain, then he will have to leave. Its unfortunate and a lousy outcome for someone who obviously studied hard to get where they are, but suitable jobs cant be created out of nowhere.

ETA, I am not advocating forcing people on to boats, but would have no problem with cuts to benefits where people arent making a reasonable effort to find a job or retrain. For me if you make it 9 months concentrating on your industry with no luck, you have to start looking for jobs in other areas. The world doesn't owe you a job in your prefered industry.

BillyMitchel

mariaalice wrote: »

I think that might have been his point that it is coming across as a sort of encouraged emigration!! he was interesting to listen to, apparently fas wanted him to do a welding course as there is a lot of demand for deep sea welders.

Would they throw in a few swimming lessons as well??!

Rhys Essien

mariaalice wrote: »

If some one has a qualification which is not carpel of giving them a job, in that guys case it is all construction related and not the kind of construction qualification's that are needed at the moment and as such he might be on welfare for the foreseeable future,

What do the people of boards think should happen to him as regards getting welfare or getting a job.

Do people have any responsibility to go where the work is.

Maria,I heard this lad yesterday.He is a Quantity Surveyor and FAS were telling him that there are underwater welding jobs in Malaysia amongst other things.It would take you years to train up for that so what was the point in them saying that.

With the cuts in the dole for the young the government are indirectly saying Get the fcuk out of the country all the while with 80/90,000 foreigners here on the dole.Oh the irony.

I am in two minds about this, my husbands works in London because there are no jobs in what he dose here, however I don't think someone should be forced to do that.

On the other had there is unlikely to be jobs for someone with a masters in construction management here but it would be a different story in London( no all that fare away for example my husband comes home every weekend), so why should you stay here on social welfare. I don't know what the answer is.

Tombi!

mariaalice wrote: »

I am in two minds about this, my husbands works in London because there are no jobs in what he dose here, however I don't think someone should be forced to do that.

On the other had there is unlikely to be jobs for someone with a masters in construction management here but it would be a different story in London( no all that fare away for example my husband comes home every weekend), so why should you stay here on social welfare. I don't know what the answer is.

But why should the only choice you have "either stay here where's the no jobs or kindly piss off so we can say you're not part of the unemployment listings"?

That's all it comes down to at the end of the day. Reduce the amount by any means necessary so long as it won't cost the government their wages.

Rhys Essien

Banjo String wrote: »

I dated a welders daughter once.

She had acetylene tits.

(Welder by trade. This is an in joke in the trade)

Welders do it in all positions.;)

Rhys Essien

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Maria,I heard this lad yesterday.He is a Quantity Surveyor and FAS were telling him that there are underwater welding jobs in Malaysia amongst other things.It would take you years to train up for that so what was the point in them saying that.

With the cuts in the dole for the young the government are indirectly saying Get the fcuk out of the country all the while with 80/90,000 foreigners here on the dole.Oh the irony.

I did think fas telling him about deep sea welding was hilarious it would take years to get the qualifications needed as he pointed out in the interview.

kneemos

mariaalice wrote: »

I did think fas telling him about deep sea welding was hilarious it would take years to get the qualifications needed as he pointed out in the interview.

Wasn't even local.

Bloody Malaysia.

Grandeeod

Its all to do with this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/skills-exodus-looms-as-canada-seeks-700-tradesmen-29674282.html

Khannie

Grandeeod wrote: »

Its all to do with this.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/skills-exodus-looms-as-canada-seeks-700-tradesmen-29674282.html

The letter states that there was "no obligation" to apply and it would not impact on the jobseeker payment.

That's the end of that then really. Outrage over nothing.

The Backwards Man

A vast, barren, bland, bleak cold landscape. 24 hours of night. Wildlife that would eat as soon as look at you. Locals that are impossible to understand, they talk like Americans on speed. Celine Dion is a God to them.

And he wants to stay there?

returnNull

gobnaitolunacy wrote: »

Explains the lack of welders in the stand-up circuit.

billy connoly being the exception :pac:

The Backwards Man

returnNull wrote: »

billy connoly being the exception :pac:

Explains the lack of funny welders on the stand-up circuit.

Femme_Fatale

Banjo String wrote: »

I suppose so.

It's kinda like them telling him to take another job on the other side of the world or fcuk off I suppose.

What if the HSE decided to send letters out to cancer patients telling them the health service in Canada is free?

I don't think the two are comparable really - one is literally a matter of life and death.
Can't understand the guy's "annoyance" - as someone said, it's good to let him know of his options in a broader sense. Seems a fairly petty thing to get annoyed by.
Given the amount of "Ireland is SUCH a hell-hole, I am SO out of here" whinging, they're obviously catering to a lot of people.

gw80

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Would they throw in a few swimming lessons as well??!

will they pay for all the training too,?:rolleyes: its quiet expensive to become a wet welder,
but there is some serious money to be made in it, I was only looking into it the other day.

Femme_Fatale

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

I don't think the two are comparable really - one is literally a matter of life and death.
Can't understand the guy's "annoyance" - as someone said, it's good to let him know of his options in a broader sense. Seems a fairly petty thing to get annoyed by.
Given the amount of "Ireland is SUCH a hell-hole, I am SO out of here" whinging, they're obviously catering to a lot of people.

It is a bit silly to get outraged over the letter, however I would imagain someone with construction qualifications know full well where in the world there are jobs in construction and if they had been considering going to Canada they would have., so fas are advertising job in Canada that with the inerweb and linkedin he would know about anyway. I don't think social welfare can do every thing for everyone, but why waste there time telling some one something they know all ready.

kneemos

gw80 wrote: »

will they pay for all the training too,?:rolleyes: its quiet expensive to become a wet welder,
but there is some serious money to be made in it, I was only looking into it the other day.

A job for adrenaline junkies.Qiute dangerous is it not.

gw80

kneemos wrote: »

A job for adrenaline junkies.Qiute dangerous is it not.

That it is, That,s one of the things i was thinking about when looking it up, would i have the balls for it, but at the same time if you train up properly and keep your head together maybe its not so bad

donegal__road

tell that guy to quit whining.. the basic welfare cheque in Canada is $500 per month in most states...

AND you have to pay it back when you start working again, if you haven't been paying unemployment insurance for a certain length of time up to when you become redundant.

AnonoBoy

returnNull wrote: »

billy connoly being the exception :pac:

Have you seen his welding though?

Shoddy, shoddy, shoddy.

the_syco

Rhys Essien wrote: »

all the while with 80/90,000 foreigners here on the dole.Oh the irony.

Pick the number out of your hole, or do you have a link from a reputable source?

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

"either stay here where's the no jobs or kindly piss off so we can say you're not part of the unemployment listings"?

On this note; like the nurses, we train them up, and ship them off :mad:

Khannie wrote: »

That's the end of that then really. Outrage over nothing.

Outrage over job company finding people jobs. Shocker.

The Backwards Man wrote: »

A vast, barren, bland, bleak cold landscape. 24 hours of night. Wildlife that would eat as soon as look at you. Locals that are impossible to understand, they talk like Americans on speed. Celine Dion is a God to them.

Donegal?

Rhys Essien

the_syco wrote: »

Pick the number out of your hole, or do you have a link from a reputable source?

You living under a rock?.It was only last week that the papers were telling us that 20% of people on the dole are Foreigners.

20% of at least 400,000 tells me minimum 80,000.

the_syco

Rhys Essien wrote: »

You living under a rock?.It was only last week that the papers were telling us that 20% of people on the dole are Foreigners.

20% of at least 400,000 tells me minimum 80,000.

Are we talking about the f**king Sun here, or some other tabloid sh|t stirring bullsh|t newspaper?

enda1

Perhaps it's a bit much pushing Canada, but yes people should be persuaded to emigrate to any EU country that will give them work. Our grandparents migrated from field to tow, our parents from town to city, now it's this generation's turn to migrate from country to country. You can not expect a job to fall on your lap, go out and seek employment and stop being a sponge on society.

ressem

This Fas worker is recommending to the man on unemployment that he should spend years training and serious money training for deep sea work, and then leave for Asia, assuming that their construction bubble hasn't burst by then.

Or he could have pointed out that say... Ward Automation in Sligo find it hard going to attract qualified people due purely to their location but have a good business and good employee retention. (I'm not associated nor have any business with this company)

It would be highly useful if Fas/Solas would collect and provide the information about the skills that are in demand about the country in a format that we could use to make decisions, rather than drip feeding job listings filtered by location or job title.

A weekly updated CSV text file would be more usable for decision making than their website and getting an idea of trends.

And as an added benefit maybe we could see how many of their Fas courses provide the matching skills.

mariaalice

mariaalice wrote: »

I am in two minds about this, my husbands works in London because there are no jobs in what he dose here, however I don't think someone should be forced to do that.

On the other had there is unlikely to be jobs for someone with a masters in construction management here but it would be a different story in London( no all that fare away for example my husband comes home every weekend), so why should you stay here on social welfare. I don't know what the answer is.

Nobody is being forced to do anything they don't want to do. Welfare are just doing their job and pointing out jobs that they have been informed about that MAY be of interest to the unemployed. It is pointed out in the letter that failure to respond to these vacancies will NOT affect their claim. FAS have always have had these vacancies on their website. Welfare are just being proactive.