Fur farming

Manoffeeling

What do people think of the whole fur farming industry? My view is one of disapproval on animal welfare grounds but also that that it is morally wrong to breed animals for the primary use in fashion the fashion industry.

Please refrain from childish or silly little comments.

bbam

It mightn't be popular but i think if the animals are kept in appropriate conditions and dispatched humanely it's just farming of another type.

Bizzum

bbam wrote: »

It mightn't be popular but i think if the animals are kept in appropriate conditions and dispatched humanely it's just farming of another type.

The problem as I see it is that is impossible to keep the likes of mink or fox in appropriate conditions.




I'd have no issue with fur being used in fashion as a by-product of say rabbit meat.

PS. I reserve the right to post silly/childish comments as is my want :^)

Farmer Pudsey

It is an emotive issue like fox and stag hunting. Personally I am not mad about stag hunting but on the other hand a lot of the people against one of these is also against live export of cattle and farming in generally.

My main gripe with fur farming is that mink are now a problem in the wild. The farmers blame the animals rights people and other blaming the farmers when there was a market downturn about 20 years ago.

Yet we have changed some traditional practices abeit no all to do with farming we have banned Dog and cock fighting, badger baiting and have changed coursing with the muzzling of dogs. But bullfighting still exists in Spain. In farming chicken cages are gone as is sow tethering.

Is it the thin end of the wedge if we ban it what is next.

I wonder is there a Bob in it.

Bodacious

id have no issue with it as a farming income but A) you're probably going to get attacked by vigilantes and those mink are vicious bXXtards.. I wouldn't be liking handling them or if a child were to get in at them.. may look cute but they severe

RobertKK

After watching Prime Time and the arguments, I am for it now...

delaval

The antis trot out the same lines no matter what type of farming they are trying to stop.

If we give one inch they won't allow an apple to be eaten unless it has fallen from a tree.

Any ban will only be the thin edge. They have an view that animals are equal to humans and we all know that some are more equal than others and that's the way it needs to be

Conmaicne Mara

delaval wrote: »

The antis trot out the same lines no matter what type of farming they are trying to stop.

If we give one inch they won't allow an apple to be eaten unless it has fallen from a tree.

Any ban will only be the thin edge. They have an view that animals are equal to humans and we all know that some are more equal than others and that's the way it needs to be

100%

RobertKK

For some of them watching a lion get it's dinner is a horror film.

jersey101

Manoffeeling wrote: »

What do people think of the whole fur farming industry? My view is one of disapproval on animal welfare grounds but also that that it is morally wrong to breed animals for the primary use in fashion the fashion industry.

Please refrain from childish or silly little comments.

is beef not bred for one primary use? Its meat?

ineedabreak

What gets me, is the small wire enclosure they are kept in. I have no problem with the breeding and killing of animals for meat and fur if good welfare standards are adhered to. Nothing worse than looking at an animal in a concrete or wire enclosure alone.

But animal activists will always find fault with agricultural animals. There is no pleasing them. Sure a friend of the family is a vegan. Came one day as my father was killing a hen. Called him all sorts of names, killer,sadistic and many more. He asked her what she was having for dinner and replied with fresh crab. He finished with 'sure they have feelings too, the right to live, breed and die and be left in their natural environment don't they'. She said 'yes' and you going to put a live crab into a pot of boiling water. Who's the sadistic now?

Manoffeeling

delaval wrote: »

The antis trot out the same lines no matter what type of farming they are trying to stop.

If we give one inch they won't allow an apple to be eaten unless it has fallen from a tree.

Any ban will only be the thin edge. They have an view that animals are equal to humans and we all know that some are more equal than others and that's the way it needs to be

It's a bit sill to say that they are trying to stop farming. You can't brand all antis as extremists. In your honest opinion, do you think that a mink reared in a cage is a suitable environment? And don't start quoting dept rules and regulations. Would you keep Shep in a small wire cage for 6 months?

maxxuumman

Manoffeeling wrote: »

It's a bit sill to say that they are trying to stop farming. You can't brand all antis as extremists. In your honest opinion, do you think that a mink reared in a cage is a suitable environment? And don't start quoting dept rules and regulations. Would you keep Shep in a small wire cage for 6 months?

In fairness one of the antis, ( not Claire Daly, the other woman) let it slip last night what her opinion is on all farming. Her thinking was mink first, then other types of farming

Conmaicne Mara

Manoffeeling wrote: »

It's a bit sill to say that they are trying to stop farming. You can't brand all antis as extremists. In your honest opinion, do you think that a mink reared in a cage is a suitable environment? And don't start quoting dept rules and regulations. Would you keep Shep in a small wire cage for 6 months?

There is a core of extremists who live in cloud cuckoo land. They have hangers on and people who know no different and believe what they're told - everything is cruel. The extremists would stop farming in the morning if let. It can be hard to see, it's a war of attrition, ban this, ban that, but no we're not interested in banning the other, well, not until this & that have been banned, then they will be.

On small cages nope, I don't agree with keeping anything in small cages. So why don't they start with obese hamsters, budgies etc.

vermin99

Don't really mind it ,but when mink escape the problems they cause for gunclubs and also endangered species is unreal .Very sickening when you trap them out in the wild for conservation etc and then find some so called" animal rights groups" release them from the farms as in Donegal a few year back

Birdnuts

vermin99 wrote: »

,but when mink escape the problems they cause for gunclubs and also endangered species is unreal .Very sickening when you trap them out in the wild for conservation etc and then find some so called" animal rights groups" release them from the farms as in Donegal a few year back

That's my main objection to it too. The antis who released those mink should be charged with crimes against nature.Don't think its a particularly profitable enterprise in this country anyway since the climate is not cold enough in winter to produce decent pelts.

Dont be daft

I didn't see the primetime segment but out of interest did anyone make the point that to ban it in Ireland would just move the problem abroad

No matter what there's a market there for this product and to ban farming it here won't change that.
If you really had the animals best interests at heart you'd want to keep it in Ireland were you might have some hope of regulating it stringently.
Instead this shortsighted NIMBY attitude comes to the fore which really just kick's the can down the road and achieves nothing. In fact it may even prove more detrimental to animal welfare by shifting abroad.

But its that kind of logical thinking that eludes these kind of people for the entirety of their lives.

Manoffeeling

Dont be daft wrote: »

I didn't see the primetime segment but out of interest did anyone make the point that to ban it in Ireland would just move the problem abroad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasmdYzinp8

delaval

Manoffeeling wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sasmdYzinp8

Do you actually believe that banning fur farming here will put a stop to this abuse?

This bears no resemblance to the way fur farming is carried out in Ireland

Manoffeeling

delaval wrote: »

Do you actually believe that banning fur farming here will put a stop to this abuse?

This bears no resemblance to the way fur farming is carried out in Ireland

No. It just highlights the point that you move it abroad. But it does bear some resemblance.