Pour-on

reilig

At our last BTAP meeting, both the Advisor and the Vet were saying that pour on is not as effective for fluke or worms as a dose. Vet in particular made reference to a study that he was involved in which shows that pour on was only having a 50 % to 60% (max) kill of worms in weinlings whereas dose and injection was getting over 90% on average.

What is people's opinion?

bob charles

reilig wrote: »

At our last BTAP meeting, both the Advisor and the Vet were saying that pour on is not as effective for fluke or worms as a dose. Vet in particular made reference to a study that he was involved in which shows that pour on was only having a 50 % to 60% (max) kill of worms in weinlings whereas dose and injection was getting over 90% on average.

What is people's opinion?

just lob on 40% more so , cant say I notice a difference, my advisors* tell me there is no difference

NewBeefFarmer

Well after doing both ways. . With diff pours and inj. . I cant say i notice any diff

did one animal with closemectin pour on in apr. . When i bought him. . Done him that day as he looked shocking. . . He was a totally diff animal 4 wks later.

I find when i dont have massive no of animals its much easier to use pour on. .not to much in it price wise.

Der is always 1 bullock that ruins injecting day. .

Dampintheattic

reilig wrote: »

At our last BTAP meeting, both the Advisor and the Vet were saying that pour on is not as effective for fluke or worms as a dose. Vet in particular made reference to a study that he was involved in which shows that pour on was only having a 50 % to 60% (max) kill of worms in weinlings whereas dose and injection was getting over 90% on average.

What is people's opinion?

I don't have any experience, as never used pour on stuff. Just don't trust it to be as effective as injections in particular. When you shoot stuff into the animal, with a syringe, you can be sure it gets to work.
Pour it on their backs, .............. I'm sceptical. Money down the drain:o


There's another thing I'm beginning to have doubts about. That's stuff like Noromectin / Bimectin, etc, being as effective as the original of the species, ie, Ivomec
I know people will say, it's the same active ingredient, so it has to act the same way, blah, blah.
Still, my experience is that Ivomec, just seems to work, more veffectively than all the new copies.

ellewood

NewBeefFarmer wrote: »

Well after doing both ways. . With diff pours and inj. . I cant say i notice any diff

did one animal with closemectin pour on in apr. . When i bought him. . Done him that day as he looked shocking. . . He was a totally diff animal 4 wks later.

I find when i dont have massive no of animals its much easier to use pour on. .not to much in it price wise.

Der is always 1 bullock that ruins injecting day. .

Same as that with closemectin this year, dosed bought in cattle in may that were worst for wear and after a few weeks were a lot better and it lasted 10 weeks I think and after the 10 weeks you would notice them getting wattrery again.

I had used it before and taught it doidnt work great tho, so I dont know maybe I used it at wrong time or something.

towzer2010

ellewood wrote: »

I had used it before and taught it doidnt work great tho, so I dont know maybe I used it at wrong time or something.

I don't use pour on much any more because like you said I didn't think it worked very well. I use the cheap oral doses like albex and I think it works very well. Lot more work involved but at least I know the job is done.

KatyMac

I use pour on most of the time. Find it effective and the cattle don't know you are dosing them - win, win

hugo29

pour on here too, closamectin i find to be the best,

td5man

bob charles wrote: »

just lob on 40% more so , cant say I notice a difference, my advisors* tell me there is no difference

Your advisors advice mightn't be very reliable especially after a copious amount of amber nectar.

Sam Kade

td5man wrote: »

Your advisors advice mightn't be very reliable especially after a copious amount of amber nectar.

Did he get it as a pour on or down the throat

Markcheese

A department vet in cork wouldn't touch the cows if he thought they'd been given pouron , wouldnt risk getting it on his skin ....

Sharpshooter82

Markcheese wrote: »

A department vet in cork wouldn't touch the cows if he thought they'd been given pouron , wouldnt risk getting it on his skin ....

Can't be that bad

Farmer Pudsey

Closmectin is a ivomectin/closantal based worm and fluke based pour on. It claims to kill fluke from 7 weeks this is a step back from first when they claimed one dose at housing would do. I have never used it as it was and still is too expensive.

Genneric product are the same as brander product I have been using for years. Biggest mistake farmers make is under dosing setting the gun/syringe to the average animal and doing all with it.

At present generic Ivermectins cost 25 euro/500mls or 50 cent/500kg animal and flukiver@ 20/250mls equates to 2 euro/500kg animal so it costs 2.25/head for fluke and worms. Closmectin injection is nearly 5/head for the same thing. The pour on is more expensive. I general do any cattle that will be finished 2 weeks after housing with Trodax and a generic Ivermectin. Stores are done at housing with flukiver and ivermectin and flukiver again 7-8 weeks later.

With Closmectin you need to treat twice as well. A 500kg animal will cost 2.25/head over 2.5/head cheaper than closmectin injection or 100 euro on 40 cattle for the first days dosing

By the way how much is the pour on for a 500kg animal.

freedominacup

We would generally use an ivermectin of some sort for dosing at grass but once or twice during the season if weather was fluky we'd give them an albendazole. Albendazole at housing always though if thet have been dosed close to housing we might wait a few weeks after to give it to let any fluke develop as much as possible. No problems with pour-on here.

keep going

The thing about the pouron is because its so easy to apply it usually gets applied when it should whereas in our situation with different blocks a crush is not always at hand which means injectables or orals are often delayed

bob charles

Markcheese wrote: »

A department vet in cork wouldn't touch the cows if he thought they'd been given pouron , wouldnt risk getting it on his skin ....

no wonder he works in the dept

Marooned75

Always use pour on here way easier and handier to use saves time

Farmer Pudsey

Marooned75 wrote: »

Always use pour on here way easier and handier to use saves time

If you have good handling faculities it will not take much longer to inject even oral dosing with a hook is fairly fast now.With some cattle taht are near finishing I use the dosing hook because of withdrawal time. In a good crush and pen two people would do 60-100 cattle an hour with injections.

With pour-on if cattle are different weights it is a pain adjusting the gun. THe cost difference could be 4-5/head for pour on as opposed to injections. For a few hours work 2-300 euro is good days pay.

If you do not like work farming is not the game

reilig

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

If you have good handling faculities it will not take much longer to inject even oral dosing with a hook is fairly fast now.With some cattle taht are near finishing I use the dosing hook because of withdrawal time. In a good crush and pen two people would do 60-100 cattle an hour with injections.

With pour-on if cattle are different weights it is a pain adjusting the gun. THe cost difference could be 4-5/head for pour on as opposed to injections. For a few hours work 2-300 euro is good days pay.

If you do not like work farming is not the game

The best investment that I made in recent years was €5 for this:



Have a dosing hook on its way and plan on dosing this year after using pour on for the last 7 or 8 years.

Farmer Pudsey

reilig wrote: »

The best investment that I made in recent years was €5 for this:



Have a dosing hook on its way and plan on dosing this year after using pour on for the last 7 or 8 years.

Have ment to get one for a while however find syring qiute fast with an Ivermectin, 350-400kg animal 8mls, 500-550 11mls, next fella might be 400-450, find you fly through them.

these would be ideal for vaxcines 2mls bang, bang ,bang up the chute.