what graphics card should i choose

Shabaz50

i have a budget of 250 euro and i need a graphics card for gaming.its gotta run "next gen games" and i have been looking at the nvidia 760.So can you tell me your thoughts on the 760 or can you suggest a different card thanks:cool:

creep

Shabaz50 wrote: »

i have a budget of 250 euro and i need a graphics card for gaming.its gotta run "next gen games" and i have been looking at the nvidia 760.So can you tell me your thoughts on the 760 or can you suggest a different card thanks:cool:

Better of posting in the pc building and upgrading forum but yea 760 is a good choice.

Theres deals on the 7950's on a lot of sites and not sure which one is better but the lads on that forum generally recommend that one. I don't think there is any difference between them though

BloodBath

7950 all day. Overclock it and you will have 770gtx performance with an extra 1gb vram.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Display-Technology/dp/B008NF3R1I/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1382299269&sr=8-5&keywords=7950&tag=fczbkkcom04-21

The prophet dotcom

760 is a good card, I bought one about a month ago

creep

Seems 760 is slightly better at stock

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-hd-7950-w-boost-versus-nvidia-geforce-gtx-760_2227

How far can the 7950 be overclocked compared to the 760? Just curious as I also bought a 760 a while ago

Shabaz50

http://www.komplett.ie/Komplett/site/SearchResult.aspx?searchTerm=7950

Shabaz50

is that the card?

creep

yea but its cheaper off amazon

Shabaz50

k is there postage though?

BloodBath

That card runs at 900/5000 at stock speed. You should be good for at least 1150/7000 if your case airflow is half decent.

Delivery is free on that and any super saver item on Amazon.

Gehad_JoyRider

creep wrote: »

Seems 760 is slightly better at stock

http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-radeon-hd-7950-w-boost-versus-nvidia-geforce-gtx-760_2227

How far can the 7950 be overclocked compared to the 760? Just curious as I also bought a 760 a while ago

Yep and blood bath is rarely wrong, on such things hs's built more pc's and contributed to the forum more then any one and he generally right.

to be fair. :cool:

creep

Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »

Yep and blood bath is rarely wrong, on such things hs's built more pc's and contributed to the forum more then any one and he generally right.

to be fair. :cool:

I wasn't have a go, just wanted to know how much the 7950 could be overclocked compared to the 760 which is better at stock levels.

Shabaz50

whats stock speed?

BloodBath

The clock speeds (gpu and memory) that the card comes with at default. You can increase these to get extra performance.

In the case of that Asus card it has an amazing cooler so you have a lot of headroom.

I have no idea why they don't ship the cards with a higher speed at default. There's an extra 25-30% performance to be had there.

What power supply do you have?

Shabaz50

will it run current games at max settings or high?
or do u need to know more?

BloodBath

What are the rest of your pc specs?

Providing the rest of the pc doesn't bottleneck it a 7950 will run 95% of games on max setting at 1080p with 60fps. You might have to turn down a couple of settings for the graphics killers like Crysis 3 and metro 2033 but they will still look stunning near max settings.

Shabaz50

i use xbox and my cousin has a laptop and he was playing arkham city at medium and i thought it was better than xbox so it probaly dosent matter that much

connorfleming

Still need your PC specs though, e.g processor, ram etc

Shabaz50

Ill have a intel i5 nd 8gb of ram

connorfleming

Do you have any idea which i5 you have? There are a lot on the market.

Shabaz50

No but could u help me? Im looking for a really good processor but im not sure what one i was going to go for the i7 but now I've been looking at i5s im a little bit lost

Shabaz50

I7 is 60£ more though is it worth it?

BloodBath

No it's not. An i5 is all you need. If you haven't picked or bought all your parts yet you should get some recommendations.

Fill out the questions from the sticky.

Gumbi

creep wrote: »

I wasn't have a go, just wanted to know how much the 7950 could be overclocked compared to the 760 which is better at stock levels.

Honestly the 7950 is as good or better at stock (900-950mhz) with the latest drivers. It beats the 760 solidly when overclocked. And it's cheaper

Genghiz Cohen

Just for Shabaz50's benefit.

There are a lot of different i5's and i7's. We have 4 generations now and each generation has like 10-20 different chips for i3, i5 and i7.
The difference between the i5's and 7s is Hyperthreading. It's used in video and audio rendering but very few games use it so paying 50-100 euro more for an i7 may only give very slight benefits.

I'm running a second gen i5 2500k. And it still walks through the latest games at 1080p, Very High/Max settings.

So when you say you have an i5, it doesn't mean a whole lot. It's kinda like saying I have a Ford. Do you have a Focus? A pickup truck? A Transit?

If you want to find out a lot of info about your system. On Windows 7 Desktop, open the Start menu and type DXDIAG into the box and DXDIAG will appear, run it. It may want to "Sign Drivers" this is typically fine, but you can say no with no repercussions.
Then you should have something that looks quite a lot like this.
See the Processor: line for what kind of i5 you have.

dunworth1

Would the 7950 play BF4 on Max settings?

I currently have a Geforce 560ti
with a Amd Fx6100
and 8gb of Ram

would i see much of an improvement with the 7950?

thanks

Gumbi

Yes, it would. You'd want to have your CPU heavily overclocked, though. BF4 virtually flatines my Haswell i7 at 4.6ghz which would be a lot faster than your FX6100.

dunworth1

Gumbi wrote: »

Yes, it would. You'd want to have your CPU heavily overclocked, though. BF4 virtually flatines my Haswell i7 at 4.6ghz which would be a lot faster than your FX6100.

I already have it over clocked to 4ghz might push it a bit more will wait and see how it runs first

might look to upgrade in the new year

is the 7950 the best card you can get for 200-250?

Gumbi

dunworth1 wrote: »

I already have it over clocked to 4ghz might push it a bit more will wait and see how it runs first

might look to upgrade in the new year

is the 7950 the best card you can get for 200-250?

Yes. The HIS on overclockers for ~200 pounds is a very good buy.
Mohave you an aftermarket cooler for your CPU?

fl4pj4ck

Gumbi wrote: »

Yes, it would. You'd want to have your CPU heavily overclocked, though. BF4 virtually flatines my Haswell i7 at 4.6ghz which would be a lot faster than your FX6100.

there was a bug that was affecting quad core cpu's that has been fixed in the latest bf4 beta update and I'm assuming in the final version too, so that shouldn't be an issue

dunworth1

Gumbi wrote: »

Yes. The HIS on overclockers for ~200 pounds is a very good buy.
Mohave you an aftermarket cooler for your CPU?

yep have an Arctic Cooling Freezer cooler

another gpu question would there be much difference between a 7950 and a 7970

would it be worth getting a XFX 7970 for €270 over a asus 7950 at €250?

Gumbi

dunworth1 wrote: »

yep have an Arctic Cooling Freezer cooler

another gpu question would there be much difference between a 7950 and a 7970

would it be worth getting a XFX 7970 for €270 over a asus 7950 at €250?

I dunno. The XFX wouldn't overclock great but would probably outperform the 7950 with a minor overclock. The Asus card is much better build quality and will overclock better, and has a better cooler, but the XFX simply by virtue of being a 7970 is probably a better buy for the sake of only 20 euro more.

dunworth1

Gumbi wrote: »

I dunno. The XFX wouldn't overclock great but would probably outperform the 7950 with a minor overclock. The Asus card is much better build quality and will overclock better, and has a better cooler, but the XFX simply by virtue of being a 7970 is probably a better buy for the sake of only 20 euro more.

I always hate the process of picking a gpu i can never decide.

dunworth1

if i was to push myself to a Geforce 770 would that beat the other cards?

TerrorFirmer

A good option I think that a lot of people overlook (obviously not everyone has the PSU or board for it I suppose as well) is 7870 crossfire, wallops the 7970 at stock, can can be gotten for about 300 posted...if fact you can get dual 7870's delivered for 293 at the moment from pixmania if you choose OEM (which are nearly always sapphire ghz), or about 320 for proper 7870's delivered.

uberpixie

dunworth1 wrote: »

if i was to push myself to a Geforce 770 would that beat the other cards?

Radeon 7970 (or the identical rebadged R9-280x) is pretty much close to a 770, not worth the extra cost at all....
Clock up a 7970 and it trades blows easily with the 770.

Especially when you can get a R9-280x for as low as €260/270.....

e.g http://www.hardwareversand.de/3072+MB/110064/PowerColor+R9+280X%2C+3GB+DDR5.article

cheapest 770 on the same site is €339 (+€70 for no real performance increase...)
http://www.hardwareversand.de/2048+MB/82941/ZOTAC+GeForce+GTX+770+Dual+Silencer%2C+2GB+DDR5.article

I picked up a HIS Radeon 7950 on sale from overclockers.co.uk £185 which worked out @ €225 (with Irish vat @ 23%), overclocks like a beast and has a great cooler. It has since gone back up in price to about €240. If it drops again closer to €200 snap one up, best value card we will see for a while.

I played Crysis 3 @ 2560x1080 on the high settings default.
Frames in the 50-60s indoors, frames in the 30s outdoors in game according to Fraps. The game auto detected to very high settings but was laggy due to frames dropping to the high 20s outdoors. Game ran fine once dropped back down to the "high" preset.

Cannot ask for much more for how little I paid for it really.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-065-HS

dunworth1

according to this site the 770 is a bit better then 7970
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

I can get a 770 for 310

i want to buy the best card i can get for around 250 to 300

i understand that if i overclock the 7970 it will be on par with the 770
but surely if i OC the 770 it will blow the 7970 out of the water no?

reading this article it would seem that the 770 is a good choice
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/5535/nvidia-geforce-gtx-770-2gb-video-card-overclocked/index.html


and toms hardware gave the 770 a smart buy award for 2013
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-770-gk104-review,3519-31.html

BloodBath

No. The 770's don't have anywhere near as much overclocking headroom as the 7950/70.

Here's the top 280x which is basically a highly overclocked 7970 smashing a 770 in every benchmark rivalling the 780 in many. They are 1440p benchmarks though.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sapphire-r9-280x-toxic-review/3

Here's a great deal on a Sapphire vapor-x 280x. you might be waiting a few weeks for delivery though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FL8FD3A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=fczbkkcom04-21

or get one of these and overclock the crap out of it and it will only be about 5%-10% off the performance of an overclocked 7970 or 280x.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Display-Technology/dp/B008NF3R1I/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382659643&sr=1-2&keywords=7950&tag=fczbkkcom04-21

dunworth1

BloodBath wrote: »

No. The 770's don't have anywhere near as much overclocking headroom as the 7950/70.

Here's the top 280x which is basically a highly overclocked 7970 smashing a 770 in every benchmark rivalling the 780 in many. They are 1440p benchmarks though.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7406/the-sapphire-r9-280x-toxic-review/3

Here's a great deal on a Sapphire vapor-x 280x. you might be waiting a few weeks for delivery though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00FL8FD3A/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=fczbkkcom04-21

or get one of these and overclock the crap out of it and it will only be about 5%-10% off the performance of an overclocked 7970 or 280x.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Display-Technology/dp/B008NF3R1I/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1382659643&sr=1-2&keywords=7950&tag=fczbkkcom04-21

so i should hold onto my 560ti for the moment and wait for the 280x to become available or go ahead and purchase the 770?

what would you recommend i do? i have €300 euro to spend


what about this 280x seems like a good price?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-225-MS&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1842

Gumbi

Playing a bit of Devil's advocate here :P THe voltage unlocked 770s (the MSI Lightning and one other model I forget - yes, very few are voltage unlocked) and push 1300 mhz on air. But they're expensive; a 7970/280X is cheaper and has equal performance for the most part.

BloodBath

That costs over €100 more though and performance won't be much if any different. A 280x would be your best option imo unless you can get a great price on a 7950/70.

That's a good price for the MSI card. The cooler on that is solid.

Genghiz Cohen

dunworth1 wrote: »

according to this site the 770 is a bit better then 7970
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

Hey Dunworth1,
Don't take such benchmarks as proof of anything, they should be taken as a rough guide.
The best thing to do is to find benchmarks of your desired card playing your desired game at your desired resolution. Everything else will be slightly misleading.