Pre planning meeting

funnyname

Currently looking at land for sale without PP, been told that we would qualify re local needs to build on it. Had a chat with owner and they said it was ok to go to planners to arrange pre planning meeting.

This had all happened very quickly re deciding to look into building a house so we don't have anything in place re plans, architect, engineer etc.

The land has been on sale for a few months but there is interest in it but afaik it's only for agri use not for building on. I'm not sure how long the owner would wait around for us to get an answer re PP.

Can any suggest the best course of action?

hexosan

Best course of action is not to rush into anything.

Ramonapixie

i endorse the dont rush mind set. a pre planning meeting is a crude tool and whilst the planner may feel it looks ok, there are other depts which will have input into any application. anyone looking to buy will have the same issue (if they are building). a planning decision will be back in 8 weeks from when you submit, hardly a long time really.

funnyname

I suppose I'm kinda caught in a mosh in that I don't want to go too much time and expense to get an application in only get refused or worse still have the vendor increase their asking price if I do get planning permisson.

I was thinking my first step would be to knock up a house design on some free software online, have a pre palnning meeting and then take it from there depending on that went and if it wass good then I'd get the professionals involved.

hexosan

funnyname wrote: »

I suppose I'm kinda caught in a mosh in that I don't want to go too much time and expense to get an application in only get refused or worse still have the vendor increase their asking price if I do get planning permisson.

I was thinking my first step would be to knock up a house design on some free software online, have a pre palnning meeting and then take it from there depending on that went and if it wass good then I'd get the professionals involved.

If your considering this site seriously I get a solicitor to draw up a contract between you and the seller, stating that if you get planning they agree to sell the site to you for whatever price ye have agreed.

BryanF

funnyname wrote: »

I was thinking my first step would be to knock up a house design on some free software online, have a pre palnning meeting

are you sure about that?

would you not be better of going in with a google map: marked with an x for house, entrance & treatment unit/peculation area.

leave it at that

they will discuss the principles of getting planning in that location, your housing need, and the what scale of dwelling is acceptable. you don't want them distracted with your design attempts (no offense)

you will want to take detailed notes of what the planners say.

this is the bane of most architects experiences with domestic clients, as they often misinterpret the planners at pre-planning and then get a shock when things don't go their way later on -and this is why its best to have a professional at this meeting

prewtna

BryanF wrote: »

are you sure about that?
this is the bane of most architects experiences with domestic clients, as they often misinterpret the planners at pre-planning and then get a shock when things don't go their way later on -and this is why its best to have a professional at this meeting

couldn't agree more. Clients / ordinary Joe Soap should never go near a pre-planning meeting. They are too emotionally attached to the project and will not (generally) talk rationally with the planner.

You have to remember the planner has a job to do, and sometimes that means refusing planning permission. but more usually it means stipulating 'no white pvc' etc in conditions.

A good professional (architect / arch tech) will generally not take on a project where there is a likelihood of a refusal (as experience will tell them that it is too much hassle and there will be nothing but bad press and more than likely a client who wont pay) - it looks bad for everyone involved. Leave it to the professional who will interpret the planners comments as best they can for you and please stay away from the planners!

fifib

is the price of the land right now reflective of it being a green field site? once you apply for planning and its granted it is no longer a green field site so I would be careful about applying for planning before you buy the land. the owner of the land could bump up the price of the site as it would be more valuable with planning on it. definately contact a solicitor first

funnyname

Thanks for all the great comments, gonna start the ball rolling by getting in touch with a solicitor and then take it from there, will let ye know how things progress.

funnyname

Well offer made for, just waiting to hear back reply.

In the meantime we were thinking of house designs to help us figure out our ideas when we go visit an architect.

Kinda thinking of an L shaped house, with the leg of L as a two storey house (more than likely a bungalow with attic accommodation) and the foot of the L with as a single storey with a higher ceiling than the other section of the house and a lower attic for storage. Both sections will have the same roof level

I've had a good look online but I haven't seen an designs similar to this, can anyone show me something like this or even let me know if this is worth doing?

bombadil

I can see no reason not to attend a pre-planning meeting yourself. We met with planner a couple of years ago and found it very useful prior to submitting full planning permission later. The planner is often very willing to help and will look favourably on you seeking their advice from the start. Things would of course be somewhat different if the site is in a sensitive area in terms of protected sites, monuments etc. but your planner will be aware of this and will advise you accordingly.

Attend the meeting yourself... discuss potential location for house, entrance, wastewater treatment etc. and take detailed notes on the advice the planner has to give.

Check your Co.Co. website and look at a recent planning permission close to your proposed site.. this will give you an idea of conditions that are likely to be attached to your build. I wouldn't bother knocking up drawings... however it may be worth bringing a picture of the houe type you would like to build for discussion on what may or may not be suited to the area in terms of vernacular architecture. Also as already mentioned bring a map with your proposed site marked... also take a look at the county development plan to see how you can strengthen your application to build on this ite regarding policy etc.

BryanF

funnyname wrote: »

Well offer made for, just waiting to hear back reply.

In the meantime we were thinking of house designs to help us figure out our ideas when we go visit an architect.

Kinda thinking of an L shaped house, with the leg of L as a two storey house (more than likely a bungalow with attic accommodation) and the foot of the L with as a single storey with a higher ceiling than the other section of the house and a lower attic for storage. Both sections will have the same roof level

I've had a good look online but I haven't seen an designs similar to this, can anyone show me something like this or even let me know if this is worth doing?

what good is saying you'd like an 'L' shaped house?

• where's the sun?
• what are the contours of the site
• where are the views
• what are your needs as opposed to your wants

get help from an architect.
i wish you the very best of luck. here ends my contribution

enricoh

i went to a pre planning meeting with my architect n found it useful. basically before u throw a hape of cash into it -plans, solicitor etc the planner will either give u a definitely not or a maybe.
my architect just had a real basic drawing showing a block where house would be n the sight lines of the road at the enterance n how many metres sight distance there was.