Gypsies kidnap little girl in Greece, international appeal for parents

Foxhound38

Seems she was found in a Roma camp, but DNA tests confirm she is not Roma nor is she the offspring of her purported parents who have now been arrested.

There's a stroy to be told here it seems. How the heck did she end up in a Roma camp? Who are her real parents? What the heck did the Roma want with her?

Poor little kid...

stop animal cruelty

God only knows how she ended up there, theres many possibilities but l reckon her parents prob sold her for money, could be wrong, hope I'm wrong but wouldn't be surprised l can only imagine how many more children out there in the same suitation as her.

el pasco

These people are scumbags
The fact that the Roma woman who had abducted her claimed to have given birth to 6 children in 10 months says it all

Like is she for real?
She then said the girl was "given" to her??

What parent in their right mind would give their precious little girl to these scumbags there are many people who would love to adopt her and give her the love and care and a home that she needs not living in a slum

And these are the same people looking for sympathy??

I heard a programme on BBC R4 a while back and the Roma said that child slavery the selling and buying of children and child prostition and prostition was "part of their culture" this made me sick!!

They also said that begging and stealing cock fighting and other thuggish behaviour is part if their "culture"

My heart goes out to this poor poor girl and I hope she finds her true family and that she has happy life but imagine all the children who "look" like Roma but who are abducted?

Fox_In_Socks

Cue the

"They're not Romanian!!!!!"

brigade.

bumper234

I think on a plus side this may give Madeline McCanns parents some hope.

el pasco

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Cue the

"They're not Romanian!!!!!"

brigade.

They're Roma meaning Roma gypsies which is different from Romanian

el pasco

bumper234 wrote: »

I think on a plus side this may give Madeline McCanns parents some hope.

Not sure if they're any link though!

wil

el pasco wrote: »

Not sure if they're any link though!

Perhaps not directly, just the fact that it happens, but may have more significance in the Ben Needham case. There was a discounted sighting back in 95 to a Roma camp in Greece. Private investigators made links to this camp. His grandfather is convinced of this but says police said it was impossible for gypsies to hide a blond child. This is the proof he needed.

The girl looks quite northeast European, possibly Latvian/Lithuanian.
Apparently hundreds of parents of missing children have claimed she could be theirs.:eek:

Imagine hundreds of children of that age missing, the mind absolutely boggles beyond belief.:mad:

urabell

Fox_In_Socks wrote: »

Cue the

"They're not Romanian!!!!!"

brigade.

And the 'few bad apples' brigade

wil

Just a relevant aside, in the home video did you see the way the Roma woman was delighting in showing off the one year old blond girl then violently wrenched another child away who wandered in to the frame. Disgusting. Showed exactly her attitude to children. Blonde money is what she was admiring.

miss tickle

wil wrote: »

Perhaps not directly, just the fact that it happens, but may have more significance in the Ben Needham case. There was a discounted sighting back in 95 to a Roma camp in Greece. Private investigators made links to this camp. His grandfather is convinced of this but says police said it was impossible for gypsies to hide a blond child. This is the proof he needed.

The girl looks quite northeast European, possibly Latvian/Lithuanian.
Apparently hundreds of parents of missing children have claimed she could be theirs.:eek:

Imagine hundreds of children of that age missing, the mind absolutely boggles beyond belief.:mad:

I'd hazard a guess at more in the thousands, there are many who fall under the radar, be it via unscrupulous records in orphanages across the globe or, vulnerable people either forced or willing to give up or sell their children. It sounds grim, but I imagine it is a reality.

Shout Dust

The Roma and their backward ways of living shouldn't be tolerated in Europe. It should be conform or else get out or locked up.

miss tickle

Shout Dust wrote: »

The Roma and their backdated ways of living shouldn't be tolerated in Europe. It should be conform or else get out or locked up.

It should be more vigilantly policed because of the nomadic lifestyle, which can facilitate crime more easily. A specific unit to be familiar with and monitor crime within nomadic communities would not be a bad idea.

Mountainsandh

The buying and selling of babies seems to be a well known human traffic in these communities.(roma, gypsy)
Recently in France 2 people have been convicted of selling a baby for 10 000 euros, the French police were also aware of another 3 or 4 "sales".
I think it was mentioned at the time another sale involved a swap with a BMW, although the article I'm linking to does not mention that.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/08/30/deux-enquetes-ouvertes-sur-un-trafic-presume-de-bebes-roms_3468901_3224.html

What this article mentions that could be linked to this little girl, is the arrival in France between 1993, 2001, and 2005, of a number of pregnant Bulgarian ladies who sold their babies for 3000 to 7500 euros each. It is said the mothers hardly got any share of the money, it being collected by traffickers rather. There were convictions in 2007 for this traffic. It would make sense that some batches of pregnant ladies may have been dispatched elsewhere afterwards, since the French authorities were now aware of the procedure.

The article mentions Roma couples not being able to have babies themselves, but imo it seems like there are other uses for babies in the Roma community, ie : claiming benefits, sending them begging, or maybe retrading them later ?

edit : back in France I remember observing swapping of babies to beg in the metro hallways : all the ladies would get the same baby in turns, better returns from holding a little bundle as opposed to the bigger ones I suppose.

miss tickle

Mountainsandh wrote: »

The buying and selling of babies seems to be a well known human traffic in these communities.(roma, gypsy)
Recently in France 2 people have been convicted of selling a baby for 10 000 euros, the French police were also aware of another 3 or 4 "sales".
I think it was mentioned at the time another sale involved a swap with a BMW, although the article I'm linking to does not mention that.
http://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2013/08/30/deux-enquetes-ouvertes-sur-un-trafic-presume-de-bebes-roms_3468901_3224.html

What this article mentions that could be linked to this little girl, is the arrival in France between 1993, 2001, and 2005, of a number of pregnant Bulgarian ladies who sold their babies for 3000 to 7500 euros each. It is said the mothers hardly got any share of the money, it being collected by traffickers rather. There were convictions in 2007 for this traffic. It would make sense that some batches of pregnant ladies may have been dispatched elsewhere afterwards, since the French authorities were now aware of the procedure.

The article mentions Roma couples not being able to have babies themselves, but imo it seems like there are other uses for babies in the Roma community, ie : claiming benefits, sending them begging, or maybe retrading them later ?

edit : back in France I remember observing swapping of babies to beg in the metro hallways : all the ladies would get the same baby in turns, better returns from holding a little bundle as opposed to the bigger ones I suppose.

Why is this not highlighted more, why are we afraid to make large of these crimes. A link to any community which cloaks crime like human trafficking and child slavery (willingly or inadvertantly) deserves closer monitoring.

Fox_In_Socks

miss tickle wrote: »

Why is this not highlighted more, why are we afraid to make large of these crimes. A link to any community which cloaks crime like human trafficking and child slavery (willingly or inadvertantly) deserves closer monitoring.

"It's part of their culture"/"We can't judge because of this that and the other"/"It's terrible but what about the bankers!??"

:pac:

MonaPizza

stop animal cruelty wrote: »

God only knows how she ended up there, theres many possibilities but l reckon her parents prob sold her for money, could be wrong, hope I'm wrong but wouldn't be surprised l can only imagine how many more children out there in the same suitation as her.

She might have been abandoned. Her biological parents may be wretched and miserable. She may have been a child entrusted to anyone by a suicidal mother. FFS stop jumping to sick conclusions. I can guarantee you one thing. We call Travellers "knackers" but a Traveller woman, if she was given a stray or an orphan, she would wrap that child up safe an take a bill-hook to anyone who came close.

stop animal cruelty

MonaPizza wrote: »

She might have been abandoned. Her biological parents may be wretched and miserable. She may have been a child entrusted to anyone by a suicidal mother. FFS stop jumping to sick conclusions. I can guarantee you one thing. We call Travellers "knackers" but a Traveller woman, if she was given a stray or an orphan, she would wrap that child up safe an take a bill-hook to anyone who came close.

FFS yourself, take it easy its just my opinion, did you not read the part l could be wrong and hope l am? what the hell has travellers got to do with what l said? Did l mention them? No.

el pasco

MonaPizza wrote: »

She might have been abandoned. Her biological parents may be wretched and miserable. She may have been a child entrusted to anyone by a suicidal mother. FFS stop jumping to sick conclusions. I can guarantee you one thing. We call Travellers "knackers" but a Traveller woman, if she was given a stray or an orphan, she would wrap that child up safe an take a bill-hook to anyone who came close.

How can you be so certain?
She may or may not?
Now who the one judging people now?