Good protection for my paint, recommendation?

Toyotafanboi

Hi lads,

its that time of year again where the glanza doesn't really go anywhere. its basically parked up 6 days a week, and maybe gets driven for 3-4 miles once a week and the rest of the time its parked up outside in the elements.

it is parked around 100 meters from the sea and on wet, windy, winters evenings i can't help but think that it is deteriorating the paintwork on my car.

can you recommend a good all round hard wearing product that i can put a couple of coats onto the car to keep it protected as best as possible while i'm not around.

Curran

Depends on what you are willing to spend, if you want something very durable (eg: for a year or more), something that is easy to apply (eg: dont need special conditions).

biko

I am looking something similar too, something that is more a protectant than only good looking/shiny.
Maybe something like Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 by Collinite.

Curran

A couple coats of Collinite is a good choice. Very durable and if prep'd well, will look very well.

biko

Just got myself an 8 ounce jar of Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 from ebay, came to 31 euro.
Will use it on two cars but it should be plenty.

Posting before and after pics once it arrives.
Apparently if applied correctly it'll protect the car a whole year... we'll see.

vectra

Wolfs Hardbody ?

Curran

biko wrote: »

Just got myself an 8 ounce jar of Super DoubleCoat Auto Wax #476 from ebay, came to 31 euro.

You could have gotten a 9oz tin cheaper, if you shopped around!

You wont get a year out of it, but a few coats should see 6 months!


EDIT: Forgot about the 18oz tin; assume you meant that!

biko

Sorry, yeah it's the 9oz, just had a quick look on ebay and amazon and it seemed the cheapest.
If it protects the two cars over the winter I'm happy out.

Toyotafanboi

Curran wrote: »

Depends on what you are willing to spend, if you want something very durable (eg: for a year or more), something that is easy to apply (eg: dont need special conditions).

no real budget, don't mind spending a few euro on good maintenance. but i had a max budget of €100 ish in my head, i'd consider going more for something pretty interesting.

pretty much just want something i can apply by hand, outdoors (so probably with a quick curing time given our weather) and will resist water and **** pretty well while the car is parked up. shine etc isn't really a priority. although i do keep the car washed/ polished the rest of the year the paint isn't exactly swirl free or anything if that makes a difference.

Curran

Well you've a healthy budget!

You are probably looking at something from the gtechniq range or nano/ceramic coatings.
The only draw back, perhaps is that they are a permanent coating; you cant just clay it off, it will need machine polishing....so say in the spring if you wanted to get the paintwork better or if you found defects later that you wanted to remove, it will have to be removed first. Permanent coatings are great on paintwork that has been fully prep'd.

Vectra's vote for Wolf's Hard Body (or another Body Wrap) would be a good choice, its not too permanent, I got 6 months from one coat during the winter months.

I think the limiting factor for you is that you are going to apply whatever product you choose, in an uncontrolled environment. Some of the fore mentioned products can be a bit temperamental when applying them. Moisture (dew) and fluctuations in temperature can effect the bonding process and as a result the durability.

vectra

Another product not mentioned too much would FK1000P
Couple of coats is supposed to produce good protection and good gloss.

HJL

Would agree with vectra on the FK1000P call. Never used it myself but by all accounts it is very durable [6 months], easier to apply than Collinite 476 and can be used as a very effective wheel sealant too as can withstand high temperatures.

Collinite 845 would have a shade less durability over 476 but would be easier to apply as is in liquid form.

I would also throw Dodo Juice Supernatural Hybrid into the ring as well, this is a big contender as my next purchase of LSP.

Mostly I use Poorboys World Natty Paste Wax, you will read that it doesn't last as long as some others, but I have found that a couple of layers lasts very well over the winter months. But the sealant route might be best for you if you are not driving the car and want durability over looks.

MetzgerMeister

I'll give you a hint. The company begins with "G" and the product begins with "E"

Curran

HUH???

Gliptone's Emerald Clean Degreaser

Go home Metz...you're drunk!!

Toyotafanboi

thanks for all the suggestions lads wish i looked in here more often now as i feel utterly lost!

would like to pull the trigger on this and buy from an irish supplier this week so as i have it for next week when i will have a day free to use it.

may do some googling but ideally i'd just like someone to directly tell me "buy this product" :pac:

miller50841

Hi I am looking to get something that is easy put on as suggeseted above with the due/damp.

Vectra or Curran if you could suggest something good and not mad money.

I want my 06 VRs to look good and keep protected during the bad weather as will be doing more mileage then usual.

Any names(pics) would be much appreciated also somewhere to buy.

Curran

Chemical Guys JetSeal109 is a durable, non-fussy (application in weather), looks good and reasonably priced.

Toyotafanboi

i have my mind made up on jetseal109 and i appreciate the valued advice on here. just waiting for my boards.ie discount code to order :P

dylbert

There's a discount code now? :P

Toyotafanboi

dylbert wrote: »

There's a discount code now? :P

not that i know of, but if you don't ask :P

vectra

Curran wrote: »

Chemical Guys JetSeal109 is a durable, non-fussy (application in weather), looks good and reasonably priced.

That
or Gtechniq C2V3
I am still impressed with this due to the ease of application.
Looks good and can very easily be topped up as a QD when diluted.

Handy for one that does mot want to go to too much effort.

markjh

Can I jump in here and ask what sort of protection jetseal 109 gives and how long is it likely to last. Would it come anywhere close to the protection that a Nano coating would provide? Does it last long? Do you still apply wax/polish over it when you wash the car?

Ded_Zebra

markjh wrote: »

Can I jump in here and ask what sort of protection jetseal 109 gives and how long is it likely to last. Would it come anywhere close to the protection that a Nano coating would provide? Does it last long? Do you still apply wax/polish over it when you wash the car?

You would apply it after polishing instead of a wax. I haven't used it but I understand that it lasts a matter of weeks and it is not as permanent as Nano coatings.

The experts will be along in a while to say if I'm right or wrong

Curran

Firstly you dont polish and wax your car after each wash.
You polish the car, apply protection (sealant/wax/both) and that should last you minimum a few weeks, or more depending on the durability of the protection you choose. Weekly wash and dry is sufficient until such time you protection needs topping up. Then you may decide to re-polish, if you had hand polished initially, or top up your protection.

On JetSeal109...its a sealant. Quite durable but nothing that would stand up to nano coatings...they are a different league. You should expect, on a well prep'd car (clayed, etc), to see 5-6 months of protection from JetSeal, provided you apply a few coats and wash the car using pH neutral shampoo.

Ded_Zebra

I was well wrong I thought you would get up to about 2 months!

Curran

Ded_Zebra wrote: »

I was well wrong I thought you would get up to about 2 months!

Should be getting 3 months out of any half decent wax.
That said if the paint isnt prep'd well, you'll never see anything close to the recommended duration of ddurability. Apply it to a dirty car and it wont bond and wash away within a few day.
Prepartion is always key...for the glossy finish and durability...short cuts cant be taken on the prep!

Toyotafanboi

hope its good, just put the order through :P

Toyotafanboi

any tips on prepwork for this then?
i have a few kinds of clay, tar remover, most nearly any product auto glym has ever had out...

vectra

I have never used Jetseal 109,
But I have been told it tends to "dry out" after a couple of months and ideally needs a topping of wax.

Correct me if I am wrong.

Curran

vectra wrote: »

I have been told it tends to "dry out" after a couple of months and ideally needs a topping of wax.

Never heard of that, but a lot of people do use it with a wax combo.

MetzgerMeister

vectra wrote: »

I have been told it tends to "dry out" after a couple of months and ideally needs a topping of wax.

Since it's a sealant it should always be used in conjunction with a good wax. Jetseal is good as a bse coat with a wax layer on top but on its own it won't last too long nor will it give anywhere near as much protection as wax.

vectra

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

Since it's a sealant it should always be used in conjunction with a good wax. Jetseal is good as a bse coat with a wax layer on top but on its own it won't last too long nor will it give anywhere near as much protection as wax.

That is something very similar to what I was told.
I thought it might be worth mentioning as people may wonder why their 109 was not lasting as good as was said.

Curran

It will last ...perhaps people are thinking their protection is gone because beading isnt what it used to be. Beading isnt awlays a sign of protection. If beading is what you want then yes a wax or a quick detailer with carnauba in it, would be best on top.

TomMc

A good paint sealant will outlast a wax, by virtue of the fact it bonds chemically to the paint surface (properly prepped of course, if bare or using a bonding agent) and has a much higher melting point. They also provide some added UV protection which 99.9% of waxes do not.

Don't get taken in by the myth that the more hydrophobic a product is (beading water), the better it is protecting the paint. Water beading isn't an accurate measure of protection. Water beading is directly related to high surface tension (to water) possibly created by a particular product, but not the quality of the actual protective layer itself. Water beading is irrelevant where UV protection and surface hardness (or scratch resistance) is concerned. Some retail products are formulated more to bead water than actually protect the paint. They do not seal the paint finish properly to prevent some water and air entering paint pores and starting the oxidation process from within. That's where true nano technology products improve things as the particles are much smaller and can seal surfaces far more effectively (at the molecular level).

Increased hydrophobicity (water beading effect) may keep a surface cleaner for longer, but it also increases water spotting when it rains (sun showers), unless a vehicle is frequently on the move. So unless your a taxi driver, sales rep, have long commutes or vehicles are garaged, most cars are stationary/parked-up (outdoors) for many hours at a time and the vast majority of a 24 hour day.

While water beading may be used as a guide to determine how long some old school Carnauba paste wax layers are lasting or not (when beading falls away, so long as the surface is clean and there isn't a layer of contamination or another product interfering with same), you cannot say the same for all high-tech sealants (I'm not talking about JetSeal). The irony is that the main protective ingredients of a high-tech sealant product may not bead water very much, if at all. Some manufacturers put additives into their products to improve (play up) the water beading effect, because that's what the buying public expect. Just because the water beading additive suspended in the product has worn off, doesn't mean all the protective film or layer has too. So where it is merely one component of the protective film (icing on the cake), and should not be used as the determining factor as to whether the main protective film still exists or not.

Sealants are mostly about protection, where as waxes appearance. That's why the best marine and aircraft LSP's are always acrylic/polymer/synthetic sealants and not natural/carnauba waxes.

Toyotafanboi

will let you all know how it goes during the week. and thanks for the top help curran!