ch bull on aax heifers??

novice farmer

hows things i have a yearling 84% ch bull and was wondering is it safe to let him at some aax heifers there averaging 15months , will they be able to calve them? they're HO and lim x 79% aa . %'s are according to icbf
thanks

Bizzum

novice farmer wrote: »

hows things i have a yearling 84% ch bull and was wondering is it safe to let him at some aax heifers there averaging 15months , will they be able to calve them? they're HO and lim x 79% aa . %'s are according to icbf
thanks

It wouldn't be a road I'd be goin down.

Avg 15mths would be a shake young for my liking, and a scrub bull would bring nothing to the mix in my opinion.

Would picking a good AI bull proven for calving ease be a runner for ya?

novice farmer

i get it hard to get them a bullin for ai, im not worried if the calves arent brilliant but more concerned if the heifers will be able to calve them

Bizzum

novice farmer wrote: »

i get it hard to get them a bullin for ai, im not worried if the calves arent brilliant but more concerned if the heifers will be able to calve them

I suppose that's the problem with a scrub bull, you don't know what you're gonna get.
Given the cost of producing a suckled calf, I'd be trying to breed the best I could.
You could try heat synchronisation?

I know it's very attractive to open a gate and let in a bull but like I said it wouldn't be for me!

Every cripple has his own way of walking :-)

novice farmer

Bizzum wrote: »

I suppose that's the problem with a scrub bull, you don't know what you're gonna get.
Given the cost of producing a suckled calf, I'd be trying to breed the best I could.
You could try heat synchronisation?

I know it's very attractive to open a gate and let in a bull but like I said it wouldn't be for me!

Every cripple has his own way of walking :-)

this is it i suppose , hes a mighty calf but id prob be wiser to sell him and put it towards an aa bull and not risk any mutants !!

Bizzum

novice farmer wrote: »

this is it i suppose , hes a mighty calf but id prob be wiser to sell him and put it towards an aa bull and not risk any mutants !!

I'm not for a second sayin you'll get any mutants, I assume he ain't related to the heifers.
I do think if you invested the time into AIing the heifers, (again I know its all work and time etc) you'd be handsomely rewarded by the quality you'd bring. For example, a tidy Lim bull easy calved should bring nice stock, and leave you with a nice type of a heifer to breed out of in future, or a very saleable heifer.

But you know your own setup better than anyone.

john p mc g

Ive two angusx heifers here from fr cows will they ever breed good quality calves compared to using limos espically selling as weanling

bbam

Two problems spring out.

Calving difficulty will be a bit of Russian roulette and then add youngish heifers into the mix. Could go either way.

Do you plan to finish all the calves yourself. We would have had a few AAx cows and a PB CH bull and selling as weanlings wasn't getting premium price, and if your not getting the high end weanling prices your not going to make money.

novice farmer

bbam wrote: »

Two problems spring out.

Calving difficulty will be a bit of Russian roulette and then add youngish heifers into the mix. Could go either way.

Do you plan to finish all the calves yourself. We would have had a few AAx cows and a PB CH bull and selling as weanlings wasn't getting premium price, and if your not getting the high end weanling prices your not going to make money.

ive an 8 month old pb bull would he be and danger to them or is it time i seperated him ?

bbam

Seperate would be best.

feartuath

I purchased two Angus heifers from a local calf dealer seperatly to replace a dead and sick calf,both were sourced late at night and in a hurry to put under cows asap. This was before BVD testing.
They both calved at 26 and 27 months this year to my stock bull who was out of rocky
The calved in April,one needed a pull and the other calved herself,it knocked them back a bit but they brought 2 nice black bulls,one has more milk than the other I'd say
They were both scanned in calf about 4 weeks at the end of July.

Bizzum

bbam wrote: »

Seperate would be best.

No doubt. He could have scored already. Hopefully you'll get away with it.

john p mc g

feartuath wrote: »

I purchased two Angus heifers from a local calf dealer seperatly to replace a dead and sick calf,both were sourced late at night and in a hurry to put under cows asap. This was before BVD testing.
They both calved at 26 and 27 months this year to my stock bull who was out of rocky
The calved in April,one needed a pull and the other calved herself,it knocked them back a bit but they brought 2 nice black bulls,one has more milk than the other I'd say
They were both scanned in calf about 4 weeks at the end of July.

Thats the big advantage with the angus quick to get back in calf again

Bodacious

bbam wrote: »

Two problems spring out.

Calving difficulty will be a bit of Russian roulette and then add youngish heifers into the mix. Could go either way.

Do you plan to finish all the calves yourself. We would have had a few AAx cows and a PB CH bull and selling as weanlings wasn't getting premium price, and if your not getting the high end weanling prices your not going to make money.

You finding that with that cross you get that dirty mousy hard sold colour? few lads I know letting cows go that keep throwing that colour from the char stockbull as just not getting the money for the off coloured calves despite weight for age etc.. the way its going you better off with a black lim dam that wont have as much milk as these old black AA X cows and the calf may be 30-50kg lighter but you get better money as they all want the hairy, muscley quality yellow weanling over heavier plainer off coloured weanling