Wont send log book

gibbsongraham1

Hi guys llooking for some advice on this I bought a second hand car today, The fella that owned the car sent his friend with the car, after inspection the car was not at all as described on add so I was not willing to meet the asking price so after a bit of negotiations we eventually agrred on 1100 and as I was counting out cash I gave him 1000 and chancing my arm I asked him was another 50 enough and to my surprise he said yes, All well and good I thought until I get home and receive a very aggressive text from the owner saying I only paid 1050 and if I dont send on the extra 50 he will send off the log book for the car to be scrapped, Yes I know its only 50 euro but because he was so aggressive I don't feel like giving it to him. do I have a leg to stand on or am I up **** creek without a paddle?

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Your fine. No breakers will issue a scrappage cert without the actual car being handed over.

If you want him to sign the car over to you, just pick up a couple of parking fines or m50 tolls, he'll not be long posting the log book.

Alternatively you could just give him the 50 and be done with it.

Bandara

gibbsongraham1 wrote: »

Hi guys llooking for some advice on this I bought a second hand car today, The fella that owned the car sent his friend with the car, after inspection the car was not at all as described on add so I was not willing to meet the asking price so after a bit of negotiations we eventually agrred on 1100 and as I was counting out cash I gave him 1000 and chancing my arm I asked him was another 50 enough and to my surprise he said yes, All well and good I thought until I get home and receive a very aggressive text from the owner saying I only paid 1050 and if I dont send on the extra 50 he will send off the log book for the car to be scrapped, Yes I know its only 50 euro but because he was so aggressive I don't feel like giving it to him. do I have a leg to stand on or am I up **** creek without a paddle?

You tried to shaft him and got caught

Pay what you agreed to pay

colm_mcm

Who did you agree the €1100 price with? Who were you negotiating with?

duckysauce

Bandara wrote: »

You tried to shaft him and got caught

Pay what you agreed to pay

' car was not at all as described '

Read before you preach.

Notch000

if he sent a mediator that went weak that his problem not yours, F him

gibbsongraham1

colm_mcm wrote: »

Who did you agree the €1100 price with? Who were you negotiating with?

I agreed the 1100 with his friend I had no contact with original owner until he sent me the text when I got home.

MuppetCheck

duckysauce wrote: »

' car was not at all as described '

Read before you preach.

Think you need to read it again. They 1100 was agreed post inspection and the OP pulled a quick one.

Tzardine

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

If you want him to sign the car over to you, just pick up a couple of parking fines or m50 tolls, he'll not be long posting the log book.
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Sounds good. I would say a few letters addressed to him from the M50 guys would see him sending off the log book pretty quick.

gibbsongraham1

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Your fine. No breakers will issue a scrappage cert without the actual car being handed over.

If you want him to sign the car over to you, just pick up a couple of parking fines or m50 tolls, he'll not be long posting the log book.

Alternatively you could just give him the 50 and be done with it.

Maybe it would be best to just send him the 50 but I am just so angry he didnt even ring me just sent me a very aggressive message, parking fines would be a option but they will obviously come back to me as the date of sale is on the log book. .

gibbsongraham1

Bandara wrote: »

You tried to shaft him and got caught

Pay what you agreed to pay

I didn't try to shaft him I genuinely ask him was 1050 enough and he said yes, I drove over two hours to view car and in my opinion was no were near as described on the advert for example was told four new tyres only two, 6 disc cd changer only tape deck, and that is only the tipp of the iceberg.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

gibbsongraham1 wrote: »

Maybe it would be best to just send him the 50 but I am just so angry he didnt even ring me just sent me a very aggressive message, parking fines would be a option but they will obviously come back to me as the date of sale is on the log book. .

I know your pissed off but sometimes its just easier to swallow the aul pride and pay up. Anything for a quiet life y'know..

colm_mcm

If the guy advertised it as having a cd changer and it didn't then its likely he wasn't familiar with the car and was a trader posing as a private seller.

biko

No receipt either yeah? Sorry bit this has facepalm all over it.
Just pay the agreed price

gibbsongraham1

Johnny Electricity wrote: »

Your fine. No breakers will issue a scrappage cert without the actual car being handed over.

If you want him to sign the car over to you, just pick up a couple of parking fines or m50 tolls, he'll not be long posting the log book.

Alternatively you could just give him the 50 and be done with it.

It is possible he could send the log book to Shannon and declare it as scrapped?

gibbsongraham1

biko wrote: »

No receipt either yeah? Sorry bit this has facepalm all over it.
Just pay the agreed price

Ya maybe it might just be the right thing to do.

duckysauce

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Think you need to read it again. They 1100 was agreed post inspection and the OP pulled a quick one.

quick one :rolleyes::rolleyes: it's called haggling , did it last week myself for 100 , seller said spilt it for 50 both happy with deal , you don't always pay what the seller asks for , especially if the goods are not as advertised.

challengemaster

duckysauce wrote: »

quick one :rolleyes::rolleyes: it's called haggling , did it last week myself for 100 , seller said spilt it for 50 both happy with deal , you don't always pay what the seller asks for , especially if the goods are not as advertised.

Yeah, but you don't haggle with someone that isn't the seller!

duckysauce

challengemaster wrote: »

Yeah, but you don't haggle with someone that isn't the seller!

should not be selling it then :eek:, don't send a gimp to do the business, could the gimp answer certain questions about the car ??? If a seller sent a gimp to sell me a car alarm bells would be going off and price dropping

colm_mcm

Nor do you buy off someone who isn't the seller and hasn't the logbook

gibbsongraham1

colm_mcm wrote: »

Nor do you buy off someone who isn't the seller and hasn't the logbook

He had the log book, I signed it and he signed it and date was put on it..

colm_mcm

I don't get what happened here, did you actually meet the seller?

Corkbah

gibbsongraham1 wrote: »

He had the log book, I signed it and he signed it and date was put on it..

but was he the actual owner of the car ?? if he was not then his signature on it is pointless.

at the moment the proper owner could declare the vehicle stolen/missing and you have no receipt/proof that you met with a guy to purchase the car....the original owner would have proof of where he was at the time of the "sale".

OP - get in touch with the gardai - you've paid €1050 to someone who may or may not have been allowed to sell the vehicle (they may not have even told the owner of the vehicle)

Cerco

Car not as described!
Seller does not turn up but sends a friend!
Friend renegotiates the price!
No receipt and now no logbook!
And you are worried about €50?????
Are you serious OP?

gibbsongraham1

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don't get what happened here, did you actually meet the seller?

No I didn't meet or talk to the owner but the guy rang him to confirm the price his signature was already on the book it was only a scribble, It is a very messy situation probably just best to send him the 50 quid and be done with it..

_Kaiser_

Reading this it seems like the owner's issue is with their "friend" who agreed to accept a lower amount for the car.. it's not like the OP deliberately short-changed them, the friend AGREED to the lower price!

Though personally I think the whole setup sounds dodgy and I would've walked away pissed that my time had been wasted for a car that wasn't as described.

Scortho

My reading is that they agreed on 1100 after inspecting the car but the buyer only gave 1050.
Now hes been caught out short changing your man.
However he could argue that he definitely handed over 1100 and the other 50 may have gone walkabouts between the sellers friend and the seller.


How big of a neck do you have OP? Because you may need a big one if you want to keep that extra 50 quid and get the log book.

Galadriel

duckysauce wrote: »

quick one :rolleyes::rolleyes: it's called haggling , did it last week myself for 100 , seller said spilt it for 50 both happy with deal , you don't always pay what the seller asks for , especially if the goods are not as advertised.

But the OP already did the haggling, they agreed on €1100 and he just gave €1000 and asked was another €50 ok, he said himself he was chancing his arm.

power pants

Scortho wrote: »

My reading is that they agreed on 1100 after inspecting the car but the buyer only gave 1050.
Now hes been caught out short changing your man.
However he could argue that he definitely handed over 1100 and the other 50 may have gone walkabouts between the sellers friend and the seller.


How big of a neck do you have OP? Because you may need a big one if you want to keep that extra 50 quid and get the log book.

that is not what happened at all

he counted a grand then said to the person with the car would he accept 1050 and they said yes, he handed that amount over to him

the guy went back to the owner and the owner wasn't happy that 1100 wasn't in his hand

I agree with the poster that said, don't send a gimp out to do the work.

Equally I wouldn't have bothered buying the car if nothing seemed to match or satisfy the purchaser

_Kaiser_

As above, because some people just don't get this

- OP meets owner's friend. Car not as described so OP offers a lower amount
- The amount was 1100
- The OP counts out 1050 and asks is that enough (chancing his arm by asking for a lower price NOT by short-changing the other guy)
- The friend AGREES to this
- The owner gets handed 1050 by his mate, not the 1100 he was expecting

= The owner's issue is with his friend who agreed to accept a lower amount (1050) NOT the OP

But for the sake of €50 I'd be inclined to pay it and get the car transferred and consider it a lesson learned, ie:

- Only buy from the owner
- If the car isn't as described what else might be wrong with it
- For the sake of €50 it's not worth the aggravation

gibbsongraham1

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

As above, because some people just don't get this

- OP meets owner's friend. Car not as described so OP offers a lower amount
- The amount was 1100
- The OP counts out 1050 and asks is that enough (chancing his arm by asking for a lower price NOT by short-changing the other guy)
- The friend AGREES to this
- The owner gets handed 1050 by his mate, not the 1100 he was expecting

= The owner's issue is with his friend who agreed to accept a lower amount (1050) NOT the OP

But for the sake of €50 I'd be inclined to pay it and get the car transferred and consider it a lesson learned, ie:

- Only buy from the owner
- If the car isn't as described what else might be wrong with it
- For the sake of €50 it's not worth the aggravation

Yes i think I will just send him the money to save any more hassle with this guy, its just the fact that he didn't even give me a chance to explain what happened just a very angry message, and when i try ring him phone is off makes my blood boil. But as you said let it be a lessons learned.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Just curious, what kind of car was it?

Mr.Fred

sounds like you bought a lemon and went along with it aswell.

I wouldn't have handed over a penny.

If he was chancing his arm on you not noticing the cd changer what else is he hiding that's less obvious.

good Luck op you might well need it.

johndaman66

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

- Only buy from the owner

I wouldn't go quite that far but yeah ideally only buy from the owner. Reason for my comment is that so many times I've rang women owners and asked them what I've considered to be a few basic questions about the car only to be told could you wait till I get my dad or husband on the phone. Quite often the woman drivers knowledge of their car doesn't extend much further than the make/ model, colour and number of doors. I don't want to generalise either, I have chatted to a few women who very much knew the ins and outs of their car, last timing belt change, mileage, tyres, service history etc etc. It can be frustrating when buying a used car.

Again in such cases it may make more sense to be dealing with somebody a bit more knowledgeable when you go along to view the car. But yes I would certainly want to see the actual owner sign the log book if I were to buy.

OP in this case the owners frustration rests with the guy he sent along to sell the car. A bit pointless ringing back to find out if he'd take the €1,100 and then go on to take only €1,050 after owner said yeah. He should have rang the owner back again to make sure he'd take the €1,050 which seemingly the owner wasn't happy with, either that or the way the deal was done. The whole thing seems a bit Irish really:p

Not entirely sure what you mean by sending the seller the €50 but if you mean posting it to him I wouldn't. If you are going to give him the 50 quid I'd want to be meeting him in person and throwing the vlc into an envelope and drop the envelope into the post box together...sorted!

djimi

Did you get this car checked over by a mechanic prior to handing over the cash? The whole thing sounds very dodgy.

bmstuff

Sorry for repeating myself again...but

1. Don't ever buy a car without the log book and walk to the post office/letter box with with the actual owner and the log book signed and posted. Do not proceed if the owner is not present (Name matching on the driving license and log book). The amount of scams going on at the moment is ridiculous because buyers are too naive.
2. Car could be stolen, you would end up in cuffs.
3. Always take a copy of the seller passport or driving license.

In your case, personally, if he really wants his 50 euros and you really want to keep the car, ask him to meet him and get him to sign the log book and go to the post office/letter box together. Get a stamp and envelop ready.
Take a picture of the log booked signed too before it is sent.

Donnelly117

gibbsongraham1 wrote: »

I didn't try to shaft him I genuinely ask him was 1050 enough and he said yes, I drove over two hours to view car and in my opinion was no were near as described on the advert for example was told four new tyres only two, 6 disc cd changer only tape deck, and that is only the tipp of the iceberg.

Bit off topic, but did you check the boot for a cd changer??? Loads of older cars which had after market cd changers fitted still have a tape deck in the cabin do they not?

Fred Swanson

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