Send 'em back to save 'em?

RandomName2

Not a week since hundreds of migrants died while attempting to land in Italy, a second wave of migrants suffer a similar fate.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/at-least-34-dead-in-latest-capsize-tragedy-off-italian-coast-1.1559181

Yet those who survive such an ordeal are given shelter, food and indefinite stay within the EU - albeit with a grey legal position.

It seems weird that Italy would look after such migrants so well, when they did nothing to protect their passage to Italy. Yet, if Italy was to safely shuttle migrants from Libya to Italy, no questions asked, Europe would quickly be swamped with unskilled foreigners that the EU would be unable to look after. Ultimately, migrants would be fleeing from one poor position to another; and adversely affecting the countries within which they were residing.

Yet, the suffering and danger posed by the migrants' journey, and debt to human traffickers is worth it - provided they survive the ordeal they have nothing further to fear.

But if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it, surely?

galwayrush

RandomName2 wrote: »

Not a week since hundreds of migrants died while attempting to land in Italy, a second wave of migrants suffer a similar fate.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/at-least-34-dead-in-latest-capsize-tragedy-off-italian-coast-1.1559181

Yet those who survive such an ordeal are given shelter, food and indefinite stay within the EU - albeit with a grey legal position.

It seems weird that Italy would look after such migrants so well, when they did nothing to protect their passage to Italy. Yet, if Italy was to safely shuttle migrants from Libya to Italy, no questions asked, Europe would quickly be swamped with unskilled foreigners that the EU would be unable to look after. Ultimately, migrants would be fleeing from one poor position to another; and adversely affecting the countries within which they were residing.

Yet, the suffering and danger posed by the migrants' journey, and debt to human traffickers is worth it - provided they survive the ordeal they have nothing further to fear.

But if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it, surely?

How is Italy going to offer safe passage to them, I don't think they were expecting them at any particular time.

RandomName2

galwayrush wrote: »

How is Italy going to offer safe passage to them, I don't think they were expecting them at any particular time.

Weekly shuttle?

darlett

RandomName2 wrote: »

Weekly shuttle?

Too soon, Random, too soon...



Maybe on a fortnightly or monthly basis.

galwayrush

RandomName2 wrote: »

Weekly shuttle?

Step aboard, safe passage to Europe and safely returned back to Africa on immediate arrival.:D

wexie

RandomName2 wrote: »

But if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it, surely?

Problem with that is that most African countries will quite happily tell the European authorities to go **** themselves unless they can prove these people are citizens of said African countries.

Now guess how many of the asylum seekers will have passports by the time they reach Europe on the way there, or Africa on the way back?

UCDVet

RandomName2 wrote: »

Not a week since hundreds of migrants died while attempting to land in Italy, a second wave of migrants suffer a similar fate.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/at-least-34-dead-in-latest-capsize-tragedy-off-italian-coast-1.1559181

Yet those who survive such an ordeal are given shelter, food and indefinite stay within the EU - albeit with a grey legal position.

It seems weird that Italy would look after such migrants so well, when they did nothing to protect their passage to Italy. Yet, if Italy was to safely shuttle migrants from Libya to Italy, no questions asked, Europe would quickly be swamped with unskilled foreigners that the EU would be unable to look after. Ultimately, migrants would be fleeing from one poor position to another; and adversely affecting the countries within which they were residing.

Yet, the suffering and danger posed by the migrants' journey, and debt to human traffickers is worth it - provided they survive the ordeal they have nothing further to fear.

But if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it, surely?

I agree 100%

Like so many other things, people like the idea of 'helping those in need' so they want policies that welcome refugees. But....at the same time, nobody wants to lose a job to a poor immigrant. And certainly, nobody cares enough to gear up, pick up a gun, and fight the good fight (except possibly Americans, but only when oil is involved).

So the laws are contradictory and don't really make a lot of sense. If they were going to setup a shuttle that would provide safe transport for hundreds of thousands people fleeing corrupt governments, locals would freak out (and, perhaps, rightfully so). If they shut down the asylum policy and sent them home, locals would freak out about how heartless it is.

So, they go somewhere in the middle. Asylum for very few. A lottery where the ticket price is your life.

darkpagandeath

UCDVet wrote: »

I agree 100%

Like so many other things, people like the idea of 'helping those in need' so they want policies that welcome refugees. But....at the same time, nobody wants to lose a job to a poor immigrant. And certainly, nobody cares enough to gear up, pick up a gun, and fight the good fight (except possibly Americans, but only when oil is involved).

So the laws are contradictory and don't really make a lot of sense. If they were going to setup a shuttle that would provide safe transport for hundreds of thousands people fleeing corrupt governments, locals would freak out (and, perhaps, rightfully so). If they shut down the asylum policy and sent them home, locals would freak out about how heartless it is.

So, they go somewhere in the middle. Asylum for very few. A lottery where the ticket price is your life.

Did they not make a film with that in

darlett

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Did they not make a film with that in

I think he means Winning Streak. You can catch it right now a second time on RTE + 1.

Phoebas

RandomName2 wrote: »

But if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it, surely?

If they're willing to take the substantial risk of drowning on the passage, they're hardly going to be put off by the risk of deportation if they get caught.

losthorizon

In many ways Europe (and the first world) has created this problem itself. Of course its hugely complicated and those that are dying are just innocent victims really. But, creating barriers to free trade does not help people in third world nations. Building huge super fishing trawlers and then fishing every edible fish just outside a nations territorial water so that people have difficulty feeding themselves does not help as well - I believe one of these ships used to operate from Donegal and fish off the West African Coast.

Also the fact that most African nations are not logical - but put together by colonial powers so you have competing races and religions in the same nation.

Of course this those not absolve African leaders of terrible leadership in most of the continent (not all it has to be said). Although, in many cases the powerful parties were installed by the departing colonial powers.

Although, its hard to believe it from the news Africas economy is actually improving but the news does not report good news. RTE and to a lesser extent ITV and the BBC have ceased reporting news on a world scale like they used to. The only place you will find it is Euonews. BTW The Chinese and French still take an active interest in Africa.

biko

I don't know, maybe the captains of these boats shouldn't pack hundreds in a boat built for 50.
Just a thought..

biko

biko wrote: »

I don't know, maybe the captains of these boats shouldn't pack hundreds in a boat built for 50.
Just a thought..

Maybe it's because those captains are simply greedy and are out to make as much as possible on each trip. Until they overload it that is!

The Italian navy should be stopping them from entering Italian territorial waters and towing them back to North Africa.

end of the road

RandomName2 wrote: »

if these migrants were safely deported back to Africa, other migrants would see that such risks were not worth it surely?

no, it doesn't work like that, the people fleeing these cuntries just want to get out, even if their sent back they just go again, desperation makes people do crazy things such as travel across an ocean in a rust bucket