Motor tax clampdown delivers €20m boost and 16,000 tractors

Idbatterim

From yesterdays indo. I hear alot about this cheap tax rubbish, but most drivers here are driving cars 2L or under, the tax savings are negligible in most cases. Below is an example, a very fair one IMO both cars roughly same mileage, spec, from dealer, just one year in difference, these are the cheapest decent ones i found from dealer. So 4k in difference to save E320 a year!!! the only ones I can really see with decent tax savings are mainly bmw's, where yes per bhp or engine size you are getting "good value" but you are majorly paying for this in the asking price, depreciation and load interest (if applicable)... The bottom line is we can all afford "low tax" cars, theres tons of them on the old CC system too...

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/320-I-SE/36513736395673320/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/320-I-SE/36513736395673320/advert?channel=CARS

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/motor-tax-clampdown-delivers-20m-boost-and-16000-tractors-29648950.html

MORE than 16,000 tractors have appeared for the first time after the Government introduced rules to clamp down on motor tax evasion.

Figures have revealed that the number of agricultural vehicles either declared for tax or registered as being off the road rose by 25pc last month.

The Department of the Environment said that the State's coffers had swelled by more than €20m after people paid their motor tax to avoid prosecution.
A total of €97.5m was paid in motor tax in September, compared with €74.7m in the same month in 2012 – a rise of €22.8m.
The department said an increase of up to 10pc was expected because of motor tax hikes announced in last year's Budget, but that the remainder was new income brought about because people were taxing their vehicles.
The rise comes after the Government introduced new rules whereby motorists who forgot or failed to declare their vehicle was off the road would be forced to pay arrears and at least three months' motor tax to help clamp down on evasion.
Anybody planning not to drive their car on a public road must now tell their local tax office at least three months in advance. Failure to do so will result in them paying the tax for the period when the car was off the road, with interest of up to 10pc, plus another three months of tax.

The old rules, which were abolished from October 1, allowed motorists to declare their car was not being driven on a public road at a garda station, even months after it was supposedly not being used.

However, thousands of motorists used the system to avoid paying motor tax, which cost the State up to €55m a year in lost revenue.
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corktina

very interesting statisitics.... now let's see it followed through with proper enforcement.(would anyone object to more ANPR equipment for the Traffic Corps?

tin79

That's the Seanad paid for this year so.

_Kaiser_

corktina wrote: »

very interesting statisitics.... now let's see it followed through with proper enforcement.(would anyone object to more ANPR equipment for the Traffic Corps?

Yep, they do enough revenue collecting as it is! I'd much rather see them out enforcing some of the laws that cover the muppetry we all see daily on the roads.

Unpaid taxation should be a simple matter of bills/letters arriving in the post like they do in the UK (as least that's what I gathered from those ads on daytime TV )

Gumbo

corktina wrote: »

very interesting statisitics.... now let's see it followed through with proper enforcement.(would anyone object to more ANPR equipment for the Traffic Corps?

I'd rather they keep the tax rates for CC drivers static in the budget now, or at best, drop them slightly

My 2007 car = €1500 on CC, but €750 on CO2

corktina

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Yep, they do enough revenue collecting as it is! I'd much rather see them out enforcing some of the laws that cover the muppetry we all see daily on the roads.

Unpaid taxation should be a simple matter of bills/letters arriving in the post like they do in the UK (as least that's what I gathered from those ads on daytime TV )

more ANPR would help achieve that.

_Kaiser_

corktina wrote: »

more ANPR would help achieve that.

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

Sobanek

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

Why undertaking is illegal in this country is beyond me. Look in your mirrors dammit!

Scortho

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

So because theyre not doing anything dangerous they should be let away with being non tax compliant?

Any car thats declared off the road and found to be on the road, should be seized and either arrears paid and the car taxed, or the car auctioned off after 15 days. Thats the only way the new rules will be obeyed.

Scortho

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

you forgot driving in the wrong lanes:D

CiniO

Sobanek wrote: »

Why undertaking is illegal in this country is beyond me. Look in your mirrors dammit!

Because it's easier, safer and faster to drive on roads where undertaking is prohibited.
Very few countries in Europe allow undertaking on dual carriageways or motorways.

CiniO

Clearly someone who wrote this article, has no clue how new regulations work:
Example:

Anybody planning not to drive their car on a public road must now tell their local tax office at least three months in advance.

I woulnd't believe those statistic too much.
Half of this article is hardly understandable for me, including the title which sounds strange.

I don't really understand what they mean that 16,000 tractors have appeared for the first time.

Scortho

CiniO wrote: »

Because it's easier, safer and faster to drive on roads where undertaking is prohibited.
Very few countries in Europe allow undertaking on dual carriageways or motorways.

You clearly havent drove on the m50 in a while then.
other than the questionable safety, it is definitely easier and faster to undertake on the m50 than it is to overtake the middle laners

VONSHIRACH

16,000 tractors appearing for the first time. How many tractors are there in Ireland?

CiniO

Scortho wrote: »

You clearly havent drove on the m50 in a while then.
other than the questionable safety, it is definitely easier and faster to undertake on the m50 than it is to overtake the middle laners

You didn't get what I meant.
In Ireland while theoretically undertaking is prohibited, but because of the fact that it's not enforced, half of the drivers do it.

Go to Germany, where no one undertakes, and drive there for a while.
You will get what I mean that driving becomes easier, safer, faster and more fluent.

Scortho

CiniO wrote: »

You didn't get what I meant.
In Ireland while theoretically undertaking is prohibited, but because of the fact that it's not enforced, half of the drivers do it.

Go to Germany, where no one undertakes, and drive there for a while.
You will get what I mean that driving becomes easier, safer, faster and more fluent.

Oh right apologies. theres no ****ing chance that id undertake on the autobahn.
that would be scary

Guy:Incognito

Its not 4k to save e320 a year though. The newer car would be dearer even if the tax was the same. The gap might not be as big but thered still be a gap.

mullingar

Idbatterim wrote: »

Anybody planning not to drive their car on a public road must now tell their local tax office at least three months in advance. Failure to do so will result in them paying the tax for the period when the car was off the road, with interest of up to 10pc, plus another three months of tax.

I thought you can pre-declare it off the road as long as there is tax on it, even 1 day left.

CiniO

mullingar wrote: »

I thought you can pre-declare it off the road as long as there is tax on it, even 1 day left.

That's correct.
You are better informed than indo.

Guy:Incognito

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

They need it to tell them of cars that are declared off the road are actually on the road.

djmc

CiniO wrote: »

Clearly someone who wrote this article, has no clue how new regulations work:
Example:


I woulnd't believe those statistic too much.
Half of this article is hardly understandable for me, including the title which sounds strange.

I don't really understand what they mean that 16,000 tractors have appeared for the first time.

Most farmers have only one farm so don't need to drive on the road as they work on the farm and drive in fields so don't need road tax
I have tractor and loader and did not even declare them off the road as they will never be on the road by me
I expect a lot of farmers panicked in case they might decide to put old tractors on the road in the future
But in general contractors do most road work these days

Idbatterim

Its not 4k to save e320 a year though. The newer car would be dearer even if the tax was the same. The gap might not be as big but thered still be a gap.

I agree and excluded that as didnt want to get too pedantic, but what would gap be? 2 max, then depending on when you sell it, the gap between a 9 or 10 year old car will go down to virtually nothing...

Scortho

Idbatterim wrote: »

I agree and excluded that as didnt want to get too pedantic, but what would gap be? 2 max, then depending on when you sell it, the gap between a 9 or 10 year old car will go down to virtually nothing...

if the 2008 car lets say falls to 1000, theyd need to pay you to sell the 2007 one:pac:

Guy:Incognito

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Not really.. all ANPR does is tell them if it's taxed/insured/any outstanding warrants etc

They don't need that to drive up and down and pull anyone acting the clown, or overtaking dangerously, undertaking, forcing their way in front of someone etc.

Eyeball 1.0 will do that just fine!

They need it to tell them of cars that are declared off the road are actually on the road.

blastman

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

16,000 tractors appearing for the first time. How many tractors are there in Ireland?

16,000