Dublin Bus - regulating route 27

SteM

It's a really pointless route at ozs town during rush hour imo. Got on one in town this evening at 16:50 and it flew through the city centre, couldn't figure out why because I expected it to be packed and slow. Got to Cork Street and realised that the reason was because it was the third of a three bus 27 convoy. The 3 busses then preceeded to chase each other all the way out to tallaght and got into the Jobstown terminus within 30 seconds of each other. It happens an awful lot during rush hour on that route. Why don't DB send more off from Hawkins Street during rush hour to try and regulate them a bit more?

end of the road

has the merger with the 79 taken place then?

thomasj

end of the road wrote: »

has the merger with the 79 taken place then?

That's a different route (the 27b)

SimonQuinlank

Happens on the 13 regular enough too,3 in convoy bound for Grange Castle passed me in Clondalkin Village yesterday evening.

end of the road

thomasj wrote: »

That's a different route (the 27b)

ah right thanks

dfx-

It's not a pointless route at all, they are very busy and the three bus convoy is own to the service level of one every 10 minutes or so at that time. If it was a pointless route, there would be no such service level. The 13, 16, 40, 41, 39s, huge routes all don't have that frequency.

SteM wrote: »

Why don't DB send more off from Hawkins Street during rush hour to try and regulate them a bit more?

How do you get them to Hawkins St? If you stop northbound buses at Hawkins St and send them back south, what do you for the people wanting to go to Coolock..

SteM

dfx- wrote: »

It's not a pointless route at all, they are very busy and the three bus convoy is own to the service level of one every 10 minutes or so at that time. If it was a pointless route, there would be no such service level. The 13, 16, 40, 41, 39s, huge routes all don't have that frequency.



How do you get them to Hawkins St? If you stop northbound buses at Hawkins St and send them back south, what do you for the people wanting to go to Coolock..

I don't see how 3 buses in a convoy for 1/3 of its route can be a benefit to customers, it must leave gaps in its service during rush hour.

How do you get them to Hawkins St? Send them from Ringsend garage. I'm not saying send them all from Hawkins St.

Cookie_Monster

SteM wrote: »

I don't see how 3 buses in a convoy for 1/3 of its route can be a benefit to customers, it must leave gaps in its service during rush hour.

it's the same with 145, 46a, 7 (that I saw daily) and I'm sure many other routes at rush hour. Just the nature of heavy traffic and extra long dwell times DB have.

dfx-

SteM wrote: »

I don't see how 3 buses in a convoy for 1/3 of its route can be a benefit to customers, it must leave gaps in its service during rush hour.

How do you get them to Hawkins St? Send them from Ringsend garage. I'm not saying send them all from Hawkins St.

But only half the buses belong to Ringsend garage, the rest belong to Clontarf and four or five successive buses could be Clontarf buses, so you'd be sending empty buses from Clontarf to Ringsend in that case, possibly delayed by traffic and further delayed by traffic on Pearse St to get to town.

It's the nature of the frequency. The third bus could coast along behind, making sure it doesn't catch the buses in front..but that would make people unhappy too.

The first bus is always going to be slammed if there isn't a 77A, 56A or 151 in front of it, the ones behind will always catch up and the third one, the one you were on, flies along before it catches up. The first bus will be of no use to people midway through the route with a lack of seats and the third one will most likely get to Tallaght first.

Victor

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Abolishing the route or changing it isn't the solution.

The front two buses should have gone "Set down only, another bus following" for a distance.

Can we be certain that the front two buses didn't actually start in the city centre or Ringsend?

MGWR

General rule is that longer bus routes are less reliable.

Was there as bad of bunching when the 51B/C and 77 were still operating?

Gatling

MGWR wrote: »

General rule is that longer bus routes are less reliable.

Was there as bad of bunching when the 51B/C and 77 were still operating?

77 yes almost a daily accordance ,even now when the 27 is leaving jobstown by the time it's got 3 stops down the road another sets off and another soon after ,
Its a bit of a waste in this day and age its ok for rush hours its hardly necessary at normal times

LXFlyer

SteM wrote: »

I don't see how 3 buses in a convoy for 1/3 of its route can be a benefit to customers, it must leave gaps in its service during rush hour.

How do you get them to Hawkins St? Send them from Ringsend garage. I'm not saying send them all from Hawkins St.

I think the point is there are no extra buses to send out!

To be fair, it's quite possible that one bus just got held up at one stop for longer than normal - all it takes is for one passenger to have an extra long query/discussion with the driver.

antoinolachtnai

You really have to smoothen out the operations to stop buses from bunching. Basically you have to get people onto the buses faster. Changing the timetables won't help that much and adding extra buses will just increase the cost base without necessarily attracting very many more passengers.

lil5

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

You really have to smoothen out the operations to stop buses from bunching. ...

Maybe DB can start with this exercise on the 7 route ...

antoinolachtnai wrote: »

...Basically you have to get people onto the buses faster. ...

The DB implementation of the Leap card doesn't exactly help ...