Dogs attack dogs-Hellfire Club

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 9:40am #1

My two dogs were attacked without provoke yesterday and im still trying to work out why the owner of the other dogs did f*ck all to stop his dogs attacking mine and why they weren't muzzled- or on the lead?!

Out walking with my two dogs off the lead at the hellfire club yesterday morning. Great weather and company for a morning hike. Got up to the actual ruins of the house when I noticed there was a guy with two dogs not far behind us.

I was sitting up on the rock looking out at the view and the guy and his dogs went toward the house

One of my dogs went over to have a sniff and that's when it all kicked off. The two dogs (cross breeds) belonged to the man in question didn't look like one of the 12 'dangerous' breeds that the gardai asked me about after I reported the attack but they made a beeline for my smaller terrier and literally tormented him. I tried to stop the attack and the other dog owner tried to call the bigger bitch off my dog but barely.. A few shouts and a few whips of the lead but in all honesty I was the one trying more than him and his dogs were attacking mine!

I had to jump down and grab my dog from the attack and he was petrified. I've never heard an animal make that noise it was horrific. I held my dog up over my chest while the two dogs jumped up on me. my guy was heaving and shaking with fright. The other dogs has he pinned down and were trying to tear him apart.

My bigger dog the bitch went on the defence and barked to stop the attack happening but was bitten by the other vicious dogs too. The owner said 'let them have it out' and walked away.

At this stage some passer-bus took my smaller dog that was distressed as hell from me while I went to get my other dog and put her on the lead. She has been nipped in the attack and was very stressed. It was all over in 2-3 mins but the whole ordeal was horrific.

I sat on the rock and had to keep calm as my guys were so stressed and shaking with fear. I thought the guy and his dogs were gone but waited 10mins or so for him to get a head start. That's when I noticed my smaller dog literally pooped himself and on me with the fright of what happened

When I thought the coast was clear the guy and his dogs casually strolled out of the house, himself smoking and the dogs still NOT ON LEADS!!!?!

The more vicious of the two clearly wanted a second round and kept looking back and started to attempt to come over but she got roared at by the guy

It wasn't until I felt safe I jumped down with my guys on their leads to make my way home. A lovely woman out walking her dogs with her partner kindly offered water to my guys and I told her off the attack. My dogs who are walked 2hrs + a day and are always off the lead in parks and socialised with dogs every single day were terrified of her dogs who were so playful

The entire way down my smaller dog kept his tail between his legs and yelped at anyone or dog that passed by. I ended up carrying him some of the way down

When I did get home I took of their collars to inspect the damage and noticed the smaller guy had a puncture to the neck.

I rang UCD Vet Hospital and was advised to bring them both in. Both had procedures done, the first to the bigger bitch were very minor but the smaller guy had to be sedated, get stitches and drains, antibiotics and painkillers. I had to keep them in separate places in the house all day, not to mention the huge bill I was left with (not that I even cared because my dogs are worth it)

Here is a photo of the damage. I can't believe this happened. We usually walk up to the Hellfire Club once a week or to the Massey Estate for a special treat. But since this happened I've been told by several people that what I described happening has happened to others recently up there with a guy and his dogs that fit my description and apparently there was talks of it on the Joe Duffy Show and in the paper?

Just wondering if anyone else has heard of this happening? It happened yesterday Sunday 6th Oct at 10.00am.

My dogs are so traumatised. The badly injured one is even afraid of me and both dogs keep snapping at each other

Thankfully it wasn't a child hurt in the attack but what if it was?! These dogs need to be under control with leads and muzzled and the so called dog owner should be banned from having animals.

07-10-2013 9:42am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

Thankfully it wasn't a child hurt in the attack but what if it was?!

I think what happened was bad enough without making up children

kylith · 07-10-2013 9:45am

Since you know where he lives present him with the vet bill.

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 9:50am

kylith wrote: »

Since you know where he lives present him with the vet bill.

I don't know the guy unfortunately.. Never met him before. Vaguely remember what he looks like. Think I went into auto pilot mode during the attack and then in to shock afterwards.

All I know is that a few people I've talked to since have heard about similar attacks by these dogs and the guy I described.

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 9:57am

bluewolf wrote: »

I think what happened was bad enough without making up children

It was pretty horrific but it could have been ALOT worse to other dog walkers or if people had kids around to witness. I don't know if the guy every cared or was sorry because he didn't apologise or see if we were ok afterwards. The whole thing has just left me shook.

I walk my dogs every day and meet the best of people out with theirs and I love it. I know I'll continue to do so just the actual trauma to my dogs is heartbreaking to see now.

We adopted the bigger of the two just earlier this year and they'd settled down after the initial moving in part of not liking each other but since yesterday I've had to supervise them and keep them apart as they keep snapping at each other and growling. Not to mention the small guy keeps hiding under furniture and stressing out at loud noises.

He was the happiest little guy before all this

Nody · 07-10-2013 9:58am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

Great weather and company for a morning hike. Got up to the actual ruins of the house when I noticed there was a guy with two dogs not far behind us.

I was sitting up on the rock looking out at the view and the guy and his dogs went toward the house

One of my dogs went over to have a sniff and that's when it all kicked off.

Sorry for your dogs but why did you let your dog "go have a sniff"? You have no idea what's the state of the other dogs or what fears/issues they may have and you should never let your dogs approach an unknown dog with out their owners explicit permission.

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 10:04am

Nody wrote: »

Sorry for your dogs but why did you let your dog "go have a sniff"? You have no idea what's the state of the other dogs or what fears/issues they may have and you should never let your dogs approach an unknown dog with out their owners explicit permission.

She went over to the house to have a sniff around. Completely innocent. She barely made it over before the whole attack happened. If the other dogs react as violently to my dogs as they did yesterday they shouldn't be off their leads. Or should have muzzles on them in my opinion.

Nody · 07-10-2013 10:08am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

She went over to the house to have a sniff around. Completely innocent. She barely made it over before the whole attack happened. If the other dogs react as violently to my dogs as they did yesterday they shouldn't be off their leads. Or should have muzzles on them in my opinion.

No one is disputing that but neither should you let your dogs run around freely go where ever they want when there are unknown dogs in the area; that's simply not a good idea on so many levels.

kylith · 07-10-2013 10:12am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

I don't know the guy unfortunately.. Never met him before. Vaguely remember what he looks like. Think I went into auto pilot mode during the attack and then in to shock afterwards.

All I know is that a few people I've talked to since have heard about similar attacks by these dogs and the guy I described.

Apologies, in your earlier post when you said you saw him coming out of the house I thought you meant his house, not the Hellfire Club.

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 10:13am

kylith wrote: »

Apologies, in your earlier post when you said you saw him coming out of the house I thought you meant his house, not the Hellfire Club.

Ha. Not to worry. Looks like that's what I meant

Knine · 07-10-2013 10:32am

bluewolf wrote: »

I think what happened was bad enough without making up children

Ah seriously the OP could have had kids with them. I would be seriously pissed off if my kids had to witness such an attack & judging by the photo it was not minor either.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 10:51am

Word of advise, in most instances (not saying necessarily this one) picking your dog up is a bad move.....1.you could have brought danger to yourself by getting your hands in the middle of it. And 2. You are making your dog more enticing to the other dog, when you have it carried in your hands. I have a border terrier and she gets soooo excited when she sees another dog she barks...a LOT! I come across many dog owners who automatically lift their dog when mine starts barking. Yesterday this exact thing happened...and what happened next....my dog gets all excited and starts jumping on this woman to try get to the dog that's in their hand! They only made this situation 100 times worse by lifting the dog!! I know my dog, and I know my dog would not do anything to this dog. She wants to have a bark, a sniff and she will walk off immediately, but by this woman's reaction, she put that fear into her dog and the excitement into mine and created this tension that was NEVER there!

I think people, especially the older ladies, need to treat their dogs like dogs! Dont get me wrong, what happened to you was awful and should have been avoided by the other dog walker (and I hope he gets what he deserves) but I can even get by the way you are talking about your dogs that you baby them...and you really need to treat them as what they are...dogs! Your dog should in no way be scared of you but unfortunately they are because you enforced that fear by picking them up!!

OldNotWIse · 07-10-2013 10:54am

Why the constant, "what if it was a child?" - it wasn't.

Knine · 07-10-2013 10:57am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why the constant, "what if it was a child?" - it wasn't.

Probably because some of us dog owners also have kids. The next time these dogs attack another dog, a child could be holding onto the lead.

OldNotWIse · 07-10-2013 10:58am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

She went over to the house to have a sniff around. Completely innocent. She barely made it over before the whole attack happened. If the other dogs react as violently to my dogs as they did yesterday they shouldn't be off their leads. Or should have muzzles on them in my opinion.

There's no "innocence" or "guilt" - dogs are animals and act mostly on instinct. Its up to owners to control their dog's behaviour. I dont allow mine to walk off leash and approach other dogs, because she is a terrier, and likes to start fights and assert her own.

It's only restricted breeds that are required to be muzzled, though all owners need to exercise control over their animals. Tbh it sounds like neither of you did that.

anniehoo · 07-10-2013 10:59am

OldNotWIse wrote: »

Why the constant, "what if it was a child?" - it wasn't.

+1

Knine wrote: »

Probably because some of us dog owners also have kids. The next time these dogs attack another dog, a child could be holding onto the lead.

Can we concentrate on what actually happened and not veer off into the "what if's" please. This is the start of the slippery slope to derailing the thread.

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 11:01am

Ashbx wrote: »

Word of advise, in most instances (not saying necessarily this one) picking your dog up is a bad move.....1.you could have brought danger to yourself by getting your hands in the middle of it. And 2. You are making your dog more enticing to the other dog, when you have it carried in your hands. I have a border terrier and she gets soooo excited when she sees another dog she barks...a LOT! I come across many dog owners who automatically lift their dog when mine starts barking. Yesterday this exact thing happened...and what happened next....my dog gets all excited and starts jumping on this woman to try get to the dog that's in their hand! They only made this situation 100 times worse by lifting the dog!! I know my dog, and I know my dog would not do anything to this dog. She wants to have a bark, a sniff and she will walk off immediately, but by this woman's reaction, she put that fear into her dog and the excitement into mine and created this tension that was NEVER there!

I think people, especially the older ladies, need to treat their dogs like dogs! Dont get me wrong, what happened to you was awful and should have been avoided by the other dog walker (and I hope he gets what he deserves) but I can even get by the way you are talking about your dogs that you baby them...and you really need to treat them as what they are...dogs! Your dog should in no way be scared of you but unfortunately they are because you enforced that fear by picking them up!!

I appreciate the thoughts and comments. I do love my dogs but I don't baby them. Trust me my two have gotten into a few scraps before but never as violent as this. I think this is the first time I've ever picked up the smaller guy during a fight. He usually can look after himself but not yesterday. My mothers dog was ripped apart years ago in a similar dog attack and died so I wasn't taking any chances.

I picked up the smaller guy because the dogs attacking him were standing over him to the point where I couldn't see him anymore just hear the yelps from underneath. The dogs attacking were snarling and were very forceful. Of course I wasn't going to standby and let them work it out. Instinct kicked in and I wanted to help them.

He was covered in dirt and salvia, the dogs were jumping to try and grab him. Yes I made myself a target and people can debate that all they want but I was protecting my dogs. The injuries would have been a lot worse had I not gotten him out of that situation.

I honestly think everyone has a right to an opinion and people can debate what went wrong/how I apparently acted wrong etc. I merely wanted to see if anyone else has had a similar attack in that same area - I don't think the dogs that attacked were at fault but their owner in my opinion was.

Going to spend the day now with my guys and get them on the road to recovery...that's all that matters.

borderlinemeath · 07-10-2013 11:03am

Knine wrote: »

Ah seriously the OP could have had kids with them. I would be seriously pissed off if my kids had to witness such an attack & judging by the photo it was not minor either.

Agreed but the OP did imply a child attack:

Thankfully it wasn't a child hurt in the attack but what if it was?!

We both know that dogs that are dog aggressive aren't necessarily child/human aggressive and not to denigrate the attack, (because by all means it does look horrific) but the "won't somebody think of the children" line is usually tacked on to these posts for dramatic effect and the reality cannot be further from the truth. Very, very few child attacks happen out and about when dogs are being walked off lead.* Most are in the home or garden of the dog where it feels trapped, hurt, frightened, frustrated, territorial etc.

I'm trying to recall any news headlines where dogs attacked children while they were out being walked but I can't, I can think of a good few that happen in the home or garden. And I'm saying "very, very few" because I imagine it does happen on the very rare occasion

1.2.3.4.5 · 07-10-2013 11:08am

borderlinemeath wrote: »

Agreed but the OP did imply a child attack:

We both know that dogs that are dog aggressive aren't necessarily child/human aggressive and not to denigrate the attack, (because by all means it does look horrific) but the "won't somebody think of the children" line is usually tacked on to these posts for dramatic effect and the reality cannot be further from the truth. Very, very few child attacks happen out and about when dogs are being walked off lead.* Most are in the home or garden of the dog where it feels trapped, hurt, frightened, frustrated, territorial etc.

I'm trying to recall any news headlines where dogs attacked children while they were out being walked but I can't, I can think of a good few that happen in the home or garden. And I'm saying "very, very few" because I imagine it does happen on the very rare occasion

Sorry don't want to start a dog/child attack debate. I think I was thinking more along the lines of kids witnessing the attack would have been pretty horrible. Wrote the original post in a blur yesterday should have proofed it a bit better.

DBB · 07-10-2013 11:15am

Ashbx wrote: »

I think people, especially the older ladies, need to treat their dogs like dogs! Dont get me wrong, what happened to you was awful and should have been avoided by the other dog walker (and I hope he gets what he deserves) but I can even get by the way you are talking about your dogs that you baby them...and you really need to treat them as what they are...dogs! Your dog should in no way be scared of you but unfortunately they are because you enforced that fear by picking them up!!

Whilst I agree to some extent that people can be a little precious about their dogs, I can tell you without any fear of contradiction that I've been put in a situation several times, by owners who allow their dogs run up to mine (because they can't control them), where if I hadn't picked up my dogs, they'd have been maimed or killed. And we're not talking little shrinking violet dogs I have here either, we're talking Westies and Cocker x, who I had to protect from certain serious injury.
Does this mean I baby them? Go away out of that! Though I'd rather you accuse me unjustly of this, than for you to prove your point whilst I'm looking at my dead dog.
If you let your dog run up to others, particularly others who are close to their owners and/or minding their own business, no cries of "it's okay, she's just playing" etc etc are of any consolation to the owner of a dog who is scared or shy around other dogs, or indeed an owner who is themselves frightened of certain dogs. In my case, my dogs prefer not to mingle, they cause no trouble and stick close to me. If someone's dog comes running up to them barking, snapping or is otherwise rude, I will take the necessary actions to protect my dogs from it. It is not only unfair for that owner to let their snarly dog approach mine in this way, it is illegal.
A dog does not have to make physical contact with another dog to have a significant, potentially damaging impact. I will not allow an uncontrolled dog ruin mine, or my dogs' day.

OP, I really hope your dogs are okay. Give them a few days to settle, think about getting an Adaptil Diffuser or two to plug into the rooms your dogs are in, and perhaps go back a few steps on the process you successfully used to get your dogs used to each other up until now.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 11:27am

DBB wrote: »

Whilst I agree to some extent that people can be a little precious about their dogs, I can tell you without any fear of contradiction that I've been put in a situation several times, by owners who allow their dogs run up to mine (because they can't control them), where if I hadn't picked up my dogs, they'd have been maimed or killed. And we're not talking little shrinking violet dogs I have here either, we're talking Westies and Cocker x, who I had to protect from certain serious injury.
Does this mean I baby them? Go away out of that! Though I'd rather you accuse me unjustly of this, than for you to prove your point whilst I'm looking at my dead dog.
If you let your dog run up to others, particularly others who are close to their owners and/or minding their own business, no cries of "it's okay, she's just playing" etc etc are of any consolation to the owner of a dog who is scared or shy around other dogs, or indeed an owner who is themselves frightened of certain dogs. In my case, my dogs prefer not to mingle, they cause no trouble and stick close to me. If someone's dog comes running up to them barking, snapping or is otherwise rude, I will take the necessary actions to protect my dogs from it. It is not only unfair for that owner to let their snarly dog approach mine in this way, it is illegal.
A dog does not have to make physical contact with another dog to have a significant, potentially damaging impact. I will not allow an uncontrolled dog ruin mine, or my dogs' day.

OP, I really hope your dogs are okay. Give them a few days to settle, think about getting an Adaptil Diffuser or two to plug into the rooms your dogs are in, and perhaps go back a few steps on the process you successfully used to get your dogs used to each other up until now.

Oh dont get me wrong...in that situation she probably did the best thing by picking her dog up but that's why I said firstly that she needs to be very careful she doesnt get her arm bitten by mistake! I am a huge dog lover and would never like to witness any dog in that situation but I am also relistic in the sense that dogs are a lot stronger than us and if it wanted to, that dog could have turned on the owner and snapped AS WELL as killing her two little dogs. It should have been the other owner who should have stepped up and controlled his dog, or if I was that lady, the dog attacking would have got a swift boot in the behind until the owner got him!

In my instance yesterday, my dog ignored this dog until the very moment the lady picked her up and then of course my dog got excited and wondered what was going on! My dog hadnt even seen her dog and she had already picked it up. So I said to her, is she safe? (assuming that HER dog was vicious or something). She replied yes but its your dog....MY dog had done nothing...it hadnt even looked at her!! But this lady felt the need to "protect" her precious little munchkin and in turn created this drama that didnt need to be there. All I am saying is, dogs can stand up for themselves no problem and owners need to let them do it once in a while!!! (and just to point out, no I dont think the lady on this thread should have let her dogs "have it out" but all I am saying is she is VERY lucky she didnt get bitten herself)

DBB · 07-10-2013 11:37am

I'll be bluntly honest here, but I'd prefer to pick my dog up, and take a bite myself from the offending dog if it meant my dog was safe.
Bites to humans are taken far more seriously than bites to other dogs, and although I appreciate it wouldn't be for everyone, I'd rather deal with a bite to myself and the legal implications that go with it, than have to deal with the physical and behavioural (if my dog is still alive) aftermath an attack on my dogs would cause.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 11:42am

DBB wrote: »

I'll be bluntly honest here, but I'd prefer to pick my dog up, and take a bite myself from the offending dog if it meant my dog was safe.
Bites to humans are taken far more seriously than bites to other dogs, and although I appreciate it wouldn't be for everyone, I'd rather deal with a bite to myself and the legal implications that go with it, than have to deal with the physical and behavioural (if my dog is still alive) aftermath an attack on my dogs would cause.

Good point actually re the legal stuff! If you were determined to take it to court, then yes probably better you get bitten than the dog!

Wile E. Coyote · 07-10-2013 11:56am

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

My two dogs were attacked without provoke yesterday and im still trying to work out why the owner of the other dogs did f*ck all to stop his dogs attacking mine and why they weren't muzzled- or on the lead?!

Out walking with my two dogs off the lead at the hellfire club yesterday morning.

One of my dogs went over to have a sniff and that's when it all kicked off.

Why weren't your dogs on the lead OP?

eisenberg1 · 07-10-2013 12:00pm

Ashbx wrote: »

Word of advise, in most instances (not saying necessarily this one) picking your dog up is a bad move.....1.you could have brought danger to yourself by getting your hands in the middle of it. And 2. You are making your dog more enticing to the other dog, when you have it carried in your hands. I have a border terrier and she gets soooo excited when she sees another dog she barks...a LOT! I come across many dog owners who automatically lift their dog when mine starts barking. Yesterday this exact thing happened...and what happened next....my dog gets all excited and starts jumping on this woman to try get to the dog that's in their hand! They only made this situation 100 times worse by lifting the dog!! I know my dog, and I know my dog would not do anything to this dog. She wants to have a bark, a sniff and she will walk off immediately, but by this woman's reaction, she put that fear into her dog and the excitement into mine and created this tension that was NEVER there!

!!

Was your dog on a leash? Why would you let your dog jump on the woman?

fatmammycat · 07-10-2013 12:13pm

OP, I"m sorry your dog was injured and I hope he recovers, the poor thing, but a few things here are questionable. You say ' Trust me my two have gotten into a few scraps before but never as violent as this" which is really not acceptable behaviour either. As the owner of an RB dog, I cannot tell you how often I have dogs run up to him with owners either miles away or no where in sight at all (which is so weird to me).
The owner of the other two dogs should really have had his two on leads, but it sounds to me like you ought to keep your two on leads as well to avoid scraps of any kind.
Either way, I hope he recovers soon.

(matter of interest I had two brown dobermans run at us today, one muzzled, one not, neither on leads; fun times)

fatmammycat · 07-10-2013 12:20pm

Ashbx wrote: »

In my instance yesterday, my dog ignored this dog until the very moment the lady picked her up and then of course my dog got excited and wondered what was going on! My dog hadnt even seen her dog and she had already picked it up. So I said to her, is she safe? (assuming that HER dog was vicious or something). She replied yes but its your dog....MY dog had done nothing...it hadnt even looked at her!! But this lady felt the need to "protect" her precious little munchkin and in turn created this drama that didnt need to be there. All I am saying is, dogs can stand up for themselves no problem and owners need to let them do it once in a while!!! (and just to point out, no I dont think the lady on this thread should have let her dogs "have it out" but all I am saying is she is VERY lucky she didnt get bitten herself)

That's actually really inconsiderate of you. I've often seen people pick their dogs up as I approach. It's annoying, but I understand it. And I make sure my dog passes them without upsetting them further. It's part of being a civic person. A good outing for me is when my dog has disturbed nobody, were I to let my dog jump all over someone it would be an unmitigated disaster.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 2:17pm

fatmammycat wrote: »

That's actually really inconsiderate of you. I've often seen people pick their dogs up as I approach. It's annoying, but I understand it. And I make sure my dog passes them without upsetting them further. It's part of being a civic person. A good outing for me is when my dog has disturbed nobody, were I to let my dog jump all over someone it would be an unmitigated disaster.

Well that is my point, my dog was literally just passing her when she did it and if the woman was looking, she would have noticed my dog had ZERO interest in her dog so it was pointless. SHE created this drama not my dog. My dog was about to walk past and didnt even notice her dog.

And of course, I did tell my dog to get down immediately and my dog is very good and always comes when called (this is why I am ok with leaving her off the lead). I called her striaght over and held onto her while I was talking to this lady! I am in no way "inconsiderate" to any other dog walker but my point is this woman obviously babied her dog WAY too much that by the woman picking up this dog, she is confirming the fear to that dog....a fear that was never there to begin with!

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 2:23pm

1.2.3.4.5 wrote: »

I appreciate the thoughts and comments. I do love my dogs but I don't baby them. Trust me my two have gotten into a few scraps before but never as violent as this. I think this is the first time I've ever picked up the smaller guy during a fight. He usually can look after himself but not yesterday. My mothers dog was ripped apart years ago in a similar dog attack and died so I wasn't taking any chances.

I picked up the smaller guy because the dogs attacking him were standing over him to the point where I couldn't see him anymore just hear the yelps from underneath. The dogs attacking were snarling and were very forceful. Of course I wasn't going to standby and let them work it out. Instinct kicked in and I wanted to help them.

He was covered in dirt and salvia, the dogs were jumping to try and grab him. Yes I made myself a target and people can debate that all they want but I was protecting my dogs. The injuries would have been a lot worse had I not gotten him out of that situation.

I honestly think everyone has a right to an opinion and people can debate what went wrong/how I apparently acted wrong etc. I merely wanted to see if anyone else has had a similar attack in that same area - I don't think the dogs that attacked were at fault but their owner in my opinion was.

Going to spend the day now with my guys and get them on the road to recovery...that's all that matters.

12345, please do not get me wrong! I think what happened is terrible and I dont know what I would do if I was in that situation. Ideally I would like to give it a big boot up the bum and hope that the owner helps but that doesnt always happen! I dont blame you for lifting the dog up (I am more worried for your safety!). Trust me, I have owned dogs all my life so I know how part of the family they become but its that mentaility that I worry about. If your dog was to walk infront of a car, would you throw yourself infront of that car to save your dog? As much as I would do anything for my little dog, I wouldnt risk my own life for her!

Best of luck with your little ones anyway and I hope they dont have any lasting fears because of this!

eisenberg1 · 07-10-2013 2:34pm

And of course, I did tell my dog to get down immediately and my dog is very good and always comes when called (this is why I am ok with leaving her off the lead). I called her striaght over and held onto her while I was talking to this lady! I am in no way "inconsiderate" to any other dog walker but my point is this woman obviously babied her dog WAY too much that by the woman picking up this dog, she is confirming the fear to that dog....a fear that was never there to begin with![/QUOTE]

Babied her dog in your opinion, she does not know your dog or what way your dog will act/react, she was being careful, maybe her dog was attacked before and she was nervous, bottom line is you cant bitch (sorry) if your unleashed dog approaches another and the owner takes their dog out of what could be harms way. I keep my dog leashed 90% of the time because he is too friendly and will bound up to all and sundry to play, so I cant give out if he startles another dog who nips him.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 2:49pm

eisenberg1 wrote: »

Babied her dog in your opinion, she does not know your dog or what way your dog will act/react, she was being careful, maybe her dog was attacked before and she was nervous, bottom line is you cant bitch (sorry) if your unleashed dog approaches another and the owner takes their dog out of what could be harms way. I keep my dog leashed 90% of the time because he is too friendly and will bound up to all and sundry to play, so I cant give out if he startles another dog who nips him.

That is my point throughout the entire thread, if the dog was attacked previously, she shouldnt enforce that fear by picking her up! She should body block her dog....lifting up should be the last resort!!

Im in no way giving out about what happened. In fact, it was a very friendly encounter between us but I am just baffled how some people dont let their dogs be dogs! They may think that Rover loves to have rich tea's while suggling up their favourite blanket in their owners bed (and im sure he does) but what Rover really wants is to sniff another dogs bum and to roll in poo! Dogs need to be dogs!!

07-10-2013 2:54pm

I think owners like this should be prosecuted, unfortunately the police are just going to see this as a trivial matter and this guy will probably get away with it. You could go back at the same time and try get a photo of the guy and present that. But there again they might accept it but not do anything.

If its possible to somehow track down his name and location you could prosecute yourself. But that's easier said then done.

eisenberg1 · 07-10-2013 2:56pm

Ashbx wrote: »

That is my point throughout the entire thread, if the dog was attacked previously, she shouldnt enforce that fear by picking her up! She should body block her dog....lifting up should be the last resort!!

Im in no way giving out about what happened. In fact, it was a very friendly encounter between us but I am just baffled how some people dont let their dogs be dogs! They may think that Rover loves to have rich tea's while suggling up their favourite blanket in their owners bed (and im sure he does) but what Rover really wants is to sniff another dogs bum and to roll in poo! Dogs need to be dogs!!

I think you are assuming everyone else here knows FA about dogs. I am gonna give up on this one.

Ashbx · 07-10-2013 2:59pm

eisenberg1 wrote: »

I think you are assuming everyone else here knows FA about dogs. I am gonna give up on this one.

Of course not, I am in no way an expert myself but I do have experience in this. My old dog was attacked as a puppy and for the rest of her life did not trust another dog....so I am just giving my opinion....if that's ok with you!

fatmammycat · 07-10-2013 5:27pm

Ashbx wrote: »

That is my point throughout the entire thread, if the dog was attacked previously, she shouldnt enforce that fear by picking her up! She should body block her dog....lifting up should be the last resort!!

Im in no way giving out about what happened. In fact, it was a very friendly encounter between us but I am just baffled how some people dont let their dogs be dogs! They may think that Rover loves to have rich tea's while suggling up their favourite blanket in their owners bed (and im sure he does) but what Rover really wants is to sniff another dogs bum and to roll in poo! Dogs need to be dogs!!

No, some dogs do, other dogs do not. Lots of other dogs have absolutely NO interest in being around or bothered by other dogs. My own dog is friendly and pretty sociable, but because he's a GSD, even trundling along minding his own business makes some dogs and their owners nervous. I am aware of this and I act accordingly.
I'm not having a go at you, but if you don't know what the other person or their dog is like, it is best to err on the side of caution and let them go about their business in peace.

cjf · 07-10-2013 5:49pm

Wow what a shocking thing to witness op and up at the top so far away from your car you must have been so shook up. I'm horrified at the other owners lack of response and apparent lack of control over his two dogs!! People can use the work 'attack' or 'aggressive' a bit too freely these days but in my opinion you experienced an aggressive dog who did attack and left injuries on your dog - this was not a snarky tussle or dogs posturing and getting a bit excited your dog sustained injuries! Hind sight is wonderful and a crystal ball could have predicted this but outside of that nothing could have predicted how quick this seemed to have escalated. The fact that other dog owners have had or seen similar reactions from these dogs indicates that this is not a once off and that this owner is aware his dogs are reactive. I'm just gob smacked at his lack of reaction to help you . Dogs are unpredictable and don't get me wrong my own dogs are not social saints and I take every precaution with them but sometimes things can happen and even if it was another dog who ran up to mine and ended up getting a snap or a reaction I would always check they were ok. My dogs react I know this so I have to take responsibility ... Have also had loads of experience of other off lead dogs running up and acting inappropriate leading to a negative reaction but in the case of an innocent social dog coming over and getting a bad reaction I do feel there is a big difference and I do check with the other owner. I just think how I would feel up in the mountain on my own and another dog attacking mine ... He weighs in at 46 kgs and I think in the heat of the moment I would prob try to lift him out of harms way!!! Hope your guy ok and maybe you could ask some of your friends or have a little get together with some social doggies ASAP to let him get back into the swing of normal dog meets dog interaction and build his confidence.

mathepac · 07-10-2013 6:02pm

Deleted User wrote: »

... you could prosecute yourself. ...

That would be an excellent idea as a first step and then prosecute the other careless dog owner.

I've posted before about these situations. There are no bad dogs, merely bad owners, and I think we need to move from licensing dogs to licensing their owners. A "driving test" for dog and other pet owners to demonstrate they have enough grey matter, cop on, knowledge and training to be responsible pet-owners / minders.

HondaiDTEC · 07-10-2013 9:56pm

I am sorry to hear about your incident OP, but like DBB said there, you should have your dogs on a lead for there protection.

You are just asking for trouble.

You just don't know what goes through dogs heads at times.They are still animals at the end of the day and can be incredibly vicious, powerful and unpredictable

I have a Alaskan Malamute who is very good with other dogs and off the lead, but I would never let him roam freely on a walk, go sniff or play with strange dogs, because anything can happen.

I got the fright of my life once when a big black male lab came charging towards my dog when we were on a walk.

My dog played away with the lab for a while, but I knew there was some tension between them, so I tried to get away and carry on with the walk, but the lab kept following and sniffing my dog, no owner in site.I couldn't get rid of him.

My dog then completely lost it with the lab ( a sniff too far ) and a huge fight broke out, I tried to stop the fight and get in between them, stupid move because I got bit in the finger and almost lost it.

After being bit I lost all control of the lead and my dog now off it almost killed the lab, was very sad too see, I had tears in my eyes.I was powerless to split them up, until one of them gave in.

Everytime I go for a walk now my heart pounds a little bit harder everytime I see a dog off the lead.

dodderangler · 07-10-2013 10:49pm

Don't suppose these two were like lab crosses or something along them lines??

anniehoo · 07-10-2013 11:07pm

dodderangler wrote: »

Don't suppose these two were like lab crosses or something along them lines??

Breeds or their crosses haven't even come into the conversation. The OP has admitted they could have done things better and vice versa with the other owner.

There actually is a LOT to learn by reading back on this thread, from dog ownership alone.

I don't see any reason to keep this thread going, so closing it now.

Dogs attack dogs-Hellfire Club

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