6 or 4 cylinder?

delaval

I am considering changing our tractor. I had a 4cyl MF5455 and changed in 08 to a 6 cyl 5465. The difference was night and day. It wasn't all down to higher hp, the weight difference really made hauling more comfortable.

The tractor I have has been replaced by a 4cyl and if I want a 6 pot I need to go to the larger models and the entry model is 140hp.

I would get much more for my money with the 4 pot,

Would I be taking a step backwards? I could of course keepthe one I have and put on a new set of tyres, otherwise it's immaculate

6480

delaval wrote: »

I am considering changing our tractor. I had a 4cyl MF5455 and changed in 08 to a 6 cyl 5465. The difference was night and day. It wasn't all down to higher hp, the weight difference really made hauling more comfortable.

The tractor I have has been replaced by a 4cyl and if I want a 6 pot I need to go to the larger models and the entry model is 140hp.

I would get much more for my money with the 4 pot,

Would I be taking a step backwards? I could of course keepthe one I have and put on a new set of tyres, otherwise it's immaculate

if it has around 3k hours i would kept it and put a set of tyres on her

delaval

6480 wrote: »

if it has around 3k hours i would kept it and put a set of tyres on her

5000 hours and last payment in June this year. I agree to a point but will cost big money to upgrade in 4-5 years time.

f140

delaval wrote: »

I am considering changing our tractor. I had a 4cyl MF5455 and changed in 08 to a 6 cyl 5465. The difference was night and day. It wasn't all down to higher hp, the weight difference really made hauling more comfortable.

The tractor I have has been replaced by a 4cyl and if I want a 6 pot I need to go to the larger models and the entry model is 140hp.

I would get much more for my money with the 4 pot,

Would I be taking a step backwards? I could of course keepthe one I have and put on a new set of tyres, otherwise it's immaculate

what model are you been quoted for. there is surely a smaller version than a 140hp. any 120hp? are the 6465 still on the market or are they gone off it now?

I love the 6 pots for everything I put them doing but that's only because I don't have a loader on them. if you have a loader id say stick to the 4 pot

delaval

f140 wrote: »

what model are you been quoted for. there is surely a smaller version than a 140hp. any 120hp? are the 6465 still on the market or are they gone off it now?

I love the 6 pots for everything I put them doing but that's only because I don't have a loader on them. if you have a loader id say stick to the 4 pot

No loader 66 series is where I'd get 120-130 hp all 4 pot, 7614 is the smallest of the 6pot. Incidently all on addblue

rs8

change it, if you put tyres on it you will be keeping it until 8000 hours plus and 3/4 years older again!! is there not a 6166 model or something like that? is was at the ploughing

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

5000 hours and last payment in June this year. I agree to a point but will cost big money to upgrade in 4-5 years time.

5000k hours is only run nowadays considering they are clocking clock hours. I was going to change at 5k hrs but the tractor had halved in value and when pricing the new one michelins were 2k dearer on the new price so said F it and held onto her. will run her into the ground now but she should be good to 15-20k hours so she is half way there and 07 model. Will but something new again in 5 years time and start again or import something with low hours as I wouldnt have to rely on this tractor 100% as I would have the older horse in the stable ready to go if there was a problem. Having one new tractor in the yard limits your options if you have a break down. Tractors can break down with 1hr on the clock and one with 15k hrs on the clock might not give as much problems. Having 15k of a repayment due in Jan is a fair chunk of wedge. With your tax problem Delaval you should treat yourself, imagine what Mrs Delaval will want to get even with you:D:D bet she would love a Fendi and no thats not a Fendt

delaval

bob charles wrote: »

5000k hours is only run nowadays considering they are clocking clock hours. I was going to change at 5k hrs but the tractor had halved in value and when pricing the new one michelins were 2k dearer on the new price so said F it and held onto her. will run her into the ground now but she should be good to 15-20k hours so she is half way there and 07 model. Will but something new again in 5 years time and start again or import something with low hours as I wouldnt have to rely on this tractor 100% as I would have the older horse in the stable ready to go if there was a problem. Having one new tractor in the yard limits your options if you have a break down. Tractors can break down with 1hr on the clock and one with 15k hrs on the clock might not give as much problems. Having 15k of a repayment due in Jan is a fair chunk of wedge. With your tax problem Delaval you should treat yourself, imagine what Mrs Delaval will want to get even with you:D:D bet she would love a Fendi and no thats not a Fendt

Oh Bob, I am we'll aware of Fendi and have been on the receiving end

mf240

If you hang a set of weights on the front it will go a long ways to the weight of a six cylinder.

Four cylinders should be easier on juice.

What are they telling you the 5465 is worth? Is it dyna 4?

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

Oh Bob, I am we'll aware of Fendi and have been on the receiving end

Jasus, are those leather pants of her's Fendi?

dar31

delaval wrote: »

Oh Bob, I am we'll aware of Fendi and have been on the receiving end

Ya reckon the tax man will take it as a miss print on the books

bob charles

dar31 wrote: »

Ya reckon the tax man will take it as a miss print on the books

It would be hard to explain to the tax man how the Fendi had scrap value after only one outing

dar31

bob charles wrote: »

It would be hard to explain to the tax man how the Fendi had scrap value after only one outing

What happens when he wants to go down the yard to see the fendt

Dont be daft

delaval wrote: »

I am considering changing our tractor. I had a 4cyl MF5455 and changed in 08 to a 6 cyl 5465. The difference was night and day. It wasn't all down to higher hp, the weight difference really made hauling more comfortable.

The tractor I have has been replaced by a 4cyl and if I want a 6 pot I need to go to the larger models and the entry model is 140hp.

I would get much more for my money with the 4 pot,

Would I be taking a step backwards? I could of course keepthe one I have and put on a new set of tyres, otherwise it's immaculate

Your cutting your options down very quick by staying with a Massey.

Would you not look towards some of the top end 4 cylinder John Deere's, New Hollands or Fendts. They all do tractors that boost up to +140hp.

There's a huge difference between 4 cylinder and 6 when it comes to fuel consumption and compaction.
If you give out that extra bit for front arms you can get stability back when its needed by picking up a weight block.

Out of interest what tyres were on the Massey. 5000hrs isn't much to get out of a set surely?
We've a JD here with its original Pirelli's and its got 10100hrs on the clock. Granted the tyres a completely f*cked but they were grand up to about 8500hrs

delaval

mf240 wrote: »

If you hang a set of weights on the front it will go a long ways to the weight of a six cylinder.

Four cylinders should be easier on juice.

What are they telling you the 5465 is worth? Is it dyna 4?

It's a Dyna 4, immaculate. No idea of price, I told him that my payment has to be the same as the last tractor so didn't ask value of mine. I find when trading that the figure is no where near reality so I do it a different way.

I recon I'd get full weights, cab and front susoension with 4 pot and only cab with the 6

yellow50HX

It really comes down to what you want to use it for.

If it's mainly heavy hauling, slurry, silage, heavy fertilzer spreader, mower conditioner the. Get a 6 pot. However is your going for loader work and yard work with smaller hauling then get a 4 pot. You already have the other 6 pot for all the heavy work. Also what work will be done as the 6 pot will burn more doing light work the a 4 pot.

If a smaller more nimble tractor is not needed and all the power requirments are met by the bigger tractor then get one of them.

delaval

yellow50HX wrote: »

It really comes down to what you want to use it for.

If it's mainly heavy hauling, slurry, silage, heavy fertilzer spreader, mower conditioner the. Get a 6 pot. However is your going for loader work and yard work with smaller hauling then get a 4 pot. You already have the other 6 pot for all the heavy work. Also what work will be done as the 6 pot will burn more doing light work the a 4 pot.

If a smaller more nimble tractor is not needed and all the power requirments are met by the bigger tractor then get one of them.

No loader work loading shovel here already. We will only have one tractor. Jobs are hauling cattle 30' trailer, mowing, slurry 2500 tank, agitating lagoon moving silage bales 20 at a time and 3 tonne trailed fert spreader

Viewtodiefor

delaval wrote: »

No loader work loading shovel here already. We will only have one tractor. Jobs are hauling cattle 30' trailer, mowing, slurry 2500 tank, agitating lagoon moving silage bales 20 at a time and 3 tonne trailed fert spreader

Have you looked at the weight difference on the spec sheets between ur own tractor and proposed new 4pot? Just to give you an idea of the difference, For comfort at those jobs you need a bit of weight alright, compare the weights n see what d difference is, That said new 4pots with a set of weights may be much same of heivier than what u have, some of them are super tractors but you could get caught as some aren't up to it. Neighbour had a two wheel fiat 80-90 or sum thing years ago with a loader, traded it for a new Massey 4wd 50sumthing or other, thought he'd have a great loader tractor , first day in d yard nearly flipped it 'twas so light on the back end!

delaval

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Have you looked at the weight difference on the spec sheets between ur own tractor and proposed new 4pot? Just to give you an idea of the difference, For comfort at those jobs you need a bit of weight alright, compare the weights n see what d difference is, That said new 4pots with a set of weights may be much same of heivier than what u have, some of them are super tractors but you could get caught as some aren't up to it. Neighbour had a two wheel fiat 80-90 or sum thing years ago with a loader, traded it for a new Massey 4wd 50sumthing or other, thought he'd have a great loader tractor , first day in d yard nearly flipped it 'twas so light on the back end!

Never thought of that, will do

moy83

Would they give u a demo model of each to see which would suit you better ? I would go for six pot anyhow , would there really be a big difference on fuel between them

grazeaway

moy83 wrote: »

Would they give u a demo model of each to see which would suit you better ? I would go for six pot anyhow , would there really be a big difference on fuel between them

All depends on the work they do. Ticking over and doing yard or light work 6 pot will drink it, however once it is actually using its power that balances out.

grazeaway

delaval wrote: »

No loader work loading shovel here already. We will only have one tractor. Jobs are hauling cattle 30' trailer, mowing, slurry 2500 tank, agitating lagoon moving silage bales 20 at a time and 3 tonne trailed fert spreader

Get the 6 pot, if only for the slurry and silage bales

Damo810

Get the 6 pot. Everyones going on about the weight, but you'll have a lot more torque with the 6 pot. Obviously though, the weight will help too. Just wondering though, why are you so set on massey? Every brand produce the good ones and the bad ones these days..

jp6470

Had same thoughts a while ago when we upgraded our 5470.in the end picked a
6470 dyna 6....4cyl.135hp. 600 tyres,solid rims, cat 3 arms,all the buttons inside. A perfect tractor for us,it looks beefy,and big,yet it's not.real handy. Does roundbaling,2000g,10ft novacat on the arms lifting up behind it.
Sort of lost in the numbers but next step up we considered was 6480.6cyl.super machine, But it's big,for our farm... And so was the price difference for the same spec at that time.the 50k box and the power had me won.but the father pointed out the extra costs this could lead to and the possible extra maintance.weather right or wrong we are very happy with the one we picked.

delaval

Damo810 wrote: »

Get the 6 pot. Everyones going on about the weight, but you'll have a lot more torque with the 6 pot. Obviously though, the weight will help too. Just wondering though, why are you so set on massey? Every brand produce the good ones and the bad ones these days..

Reason for Massey is we've never bought any thing else and it's the naerest dealer. NH miles away JD won't touch.
Our dealer will always have a tractor for us at min cost when we're at silage or slurry

You are of course right I should look elsewhere

Damo810

delaval wrote: »

Reason for Massey is we've never bought any thing else and it's the naerest dealer. NH miles away JD won't touch.
Our dealer will always have a tractor for us at min cost when we're at silage or slurry

You are of course right I should look elsewhere

Thats fair enough, a good dealer could save you plenty of money, but theres no point buying a tractor that doesn't suit. If you haven't already, it might be worth inquiring around, seeing what else is on offer and what other dealers are like. Maybe try and get a demo?

delaval

Damo810 wrote: »

Thats fair enough, a good dealer could save you plenty of money, but theres no point buying a tractor that doesn't suit. If you haven't already, it might be worth inquiring around, seeing what else is on offer and what other dealers are like. Maybe try and get a demo?

I'll do that, he'd organise a tractor from another customer if demo not available.
I would find it very hard to leave them.
Might hold on to old one yet, by far the best tractor I've ever had or driven

Timmaay

Landinis are the poor mans MF also (similar engines etc), might be one of them to suit ya either if your local dealer sells them also? He'd probably want you to get a MF though, more money in his pocket ha, our local dealer was really pushing us to buy a new MF over a much cheaper landini afew years ago, so we just walked away.

jersey101

Have a landini and there a piece of **** tbh. Father had a blizzard for 5 years and was running a 10ft mower and chopper baler on her and rung off the pto shaft inside. Have another landini now and she's a piece of **** too ha 4wheel drive is gone and electric lifts are fecked too. She's well able to handle the baler and mower but we have a 20ft hedge trimmer and she's way too light for that so will be going for a 6 cyl when we up grade next

delaval

Timmaay wrote: »

Landinis are the poor mans MF also (similar engines etc), might be one of them to suit ya either if your local dealer sells them also? He'd probably want you to get a MF though, more money in his pocket ha, our local dealer was really pushing us to buy a new MF over a much cheaper landini afew years ago, so we just walked away.

Tim no pressure on me but I don't even know where the nearest dealer is

poor farmer

I would stick with the 6cyl
longer wheelbase, heavier,I think the hold their value better.

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

I'll do that, he'd organise a tractor from another customer if demo not available.
I would find it very hard to leave them.
Might hold on to old one yet, by far the best tractor I've ever had or driven

stick with a good dealer whatever happens, all tractors break down

Tax reasons aside I think your mad to be thinking about changing a tractor at 5k hrs. You probably will have to put €40k with your current tractor to get a new toy. better value to pick up another secondhand tractor for that type of money and have more firepower to get work done. On saying that allot of your work is contractor work, which they can do cheaper when all costs accounted for. But I see a power struggle here with her indoors having those builders about:rolleyes:, if thats the case I would have the sexy German that caught my eye at the ploughing for getting down and dirty with in the fields

Viewtodiefor

bob charles wrote: »

stick with a good dealer whatever happens, all tractors break down

Tax reasons aside I think your mad to be thinking about changing a tractor at 5k hrs. You probably will have to put €40k with your current tractor to get a new toy. better value to pick up another secondhand tractor for that type of money and have more firepower to get work done. On saying that allot of your work is contractor work, which they can do cheaper when all costs accounted for. But I see a power struggle here with her indoors having those builders about:rolleyes:, if thats the case I would have the sexy German that caught my eye at the ploughing for getting down and dirty with in the fields

Yeah your right bob here's d guy that uses the milking machine/s daily n won't spend a few bob on removers but yet he wants "new"Air springs under his ass!
HA !!

delaval

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Yeah your right bob here's d guy that uses the milking machine/s daily n won't spend a few bob on removers but yet he wants "new"Air springs under his ass!
HA !!

Delicate ass it is.

Dont be daft

delaval wrote: »

Reason for Massey is we've never bought any thing else and it's the naerest dealer. NH miles away JD won't touch

We were going through the very same debate a few months back. We'd be doing very similar to what your doing with your tractor with the addition of a bit of haulage and about 4-5 months of diet feeding.

Funny thing is I mentioned New Hollands and the oul lad rared up, saying "Anything else I ever owned broke me f*ckin heart. I don't give a f*ck if its 50hp or 150, its going to be green with yellow wheels and thats the f*ckin end of it!"

Sure I could only laugh at that stage. JD's are a nice tractor and they've been lucky for us. And to tell the truth, I've a bit of a grá for em.

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

Delicate ass it is.

whipped ass more like it.

Cant afford a few sheets of zinc for the side of the parlor and out willy waving with his tractor

bob charles

Dont be daft wrote: »

We were going through the very same debate a few months back. We'd be doing very similar to what your doing with your tractor with the addition of a bit of haulage and about 4-5 months of diet feeding.

Funny thing is I mentioned New Hollands and the oul lad rared up, saying "Anything else I ever owned broke me f*ckin heart. I don't give a f*ck if its 50hp or 150, its going to be green with yellow wheels and thats the f*ckin end of it!"

Sure I could only laugh at that stage. JD's are a nice tractor and they've been lucky for us. And to tell the truth, I've a bit of a grá for em.

If your happy with a make and have good back up dont change, all of a sudden you have to carry two makes of filters, two types of engine oil, spare parts of two brands need to be kept.

nashmach

jersey101 wrote: »

Have a landini and there a piece of **** tbh. Father had a blizzard for 5 years and was running a 10ft mower and chopper baler on her and rung off the pto shaft inside. Have another landini now and she's a piece of **** too ha 4wheel drive is gone and electric lifts are fecked too. She's well able to handle the baler and mower but we have a 20ft hedge trimmer and she's way too light for that so will be going for a 6 cyl when we up grade next

Careful now!

That is a fair old load on that Blizzard!

I'm surprised delaval hasn't tried a Valtra...

grazeaway

nashmach wrote: »

Careful now!

That is a fair old load on that Blizzard!

I'm surprised delaval hasn't tried a Valtra...

FIL got a Valtra a few years ago, hates it. Has jokingly tried to talk me into taking off his hand. I just said 'twas too high to but into the sheds. There is always something wrong with it.

bob charles

nashmach wrote: »

Careful now!

That is a fair old load on that Blizzard!

I'm surprised delaval hasn't tried a Valtra...

he is a man the likes the finer things in like AKA a massey. FFS life wouldnt be worth living having to grind the valtra around the yard all day. Had one on load while my 1982 Ih was off getting a heart operation a few years ago and I taught a certain film director;) who was working for me was going to make at it with a sledge at one point

mf240

Just thinking from a tax point of veiw, tractor has three years capital allowances left so it will be still saving you tax and new tyres are fully tax deductable this year,just something to consider.

Also depriceiation tapers off as tractor gets older. So a ten year old tractor won't cost twice as much to trade for new as a five year old. IYKWIM.

nashmach

bob charles wrote: »

he is a man the likes the finer things in like AKA a massey. FFS life wouldnt be worth living having to grind the valtra around the yard all day. Had one on load while my 1982 Ih was off getting a heart operation a few years ago and I taught a certain film director;) who was working for me was going to make at it with a sledge at one point

You are starting a trend there Bob

Wouldn't be a fan of the rocking horses at all myself and to get any sort of comfort you need one with cab and front suspension.

I sufffer one for a few days every year but only for the trailer size I'd have the older 110/90 ant day.

Delaval, I seem to recall you asking about 398's in the past, is that idea well gone now!

delaval

nashmach wrote: »

You are starting a trend there Bob

Wouldn't be a fan of the rocking horses at all myself and to get any sort of comfort you need one with cab and front suspension.

I sufffer one for a few days every year but only for the trailer size I'd have the older 110/90 ant day.

Delaval, I seem to recall you asking about 398's in the past, is that idea well gone now!

398 was for another special job

delaval

Bob will love this 398 with loader was for a farm where we winter cattle. I didn't have to buy as the landlord did!!

bob charles

delaval wrote: »

Bob will love this 398 with loader was for a farm where we winter cattle. I didn't have to buy as the landlord did!!

do you wear a pants when calling over to see that landlord???