Will Smoking be banned in Maynooth?

DylanII

Since UCD has just banned smoking on their campus and Trinity is about to do the same do you think NUIM could follow suit?

I pushed it last year with the SU and other people in the University about banning smoking near entrances to buildings but I was just completely ignored.

So do you think Maynooth could do it? Or do you think we should?

JellyBeans92

DylanII wrote: »

Since UCD has just banned smoking on their campus and Trinity is about to do the same do you think NUIM could follow suit?

I pushed it last year with the SU and other people in the University about banning smoking near entrances to buildings but I was just completely ignored.

So do you think Maynooth could do it? Or do you think we should?

Well you can no longer smoke in any of the residences now, so who knows..
Hopefully they will bring it in that you can't smoke around doorways etc. at least, it's a pain in the backside having to walk through all the smokers when you're asthmatic and trying to get to a lecture
:pac:

Kiwi_knock

Certainly banning smoking near doorways is required, people are practically smoking in the revolving doorway at the library they are that close to the doors.

Paczini

I think that smoking should not be fully banned on campus but there should be some smoking areas instead where smokers can hide from rain etc. On a rainy day it is obvious that people will smoke around the entrance to the library/jh as they will hide from the rain.

mickstupp

Paczini wrote: »

I think that smoking should not be fully banned on campus but there should be some smoking areas instead where smokers can hide from rain etc. On a rainy day it is obvious that people will smoke around the entrance to the library/jh as they will hide from the rain.

As far as I can see, they smoke around the entrances anyway. Doesn't matter what the weather is. Everyone else still has to walk through the smoke. Which is ****ing disgusting.

I'm fully in favour of banning smoking at entrances. Not so sure about banning smoking on the whole campus though.

andrew369

I smoke a pipe which is great for killing an hour or so in between lectures, but I agree that people shouldn't be smoking right on top of the entrance ways. Horrible smell of cheap roll up tobacco whenever I am going into the John Hume building. There should be some designated areas, couldn't be that expensive to put up some cheap sheltered spots for when the weather is bad.

Banning smoking all together would make smokers insufferable. The time in between a smoker friend saying "I need a smoke" and them getting a smoke can be quite scary.

Paczini

mickstupp wrote: »

As far as I can see, they smoke around the entrances anyway. Doesn't matter what the weather is. Everyone else still has to walk through the smoke. Which is ****ing disgusting.

I'm fully in favour of banning smoking at entrances. Not so sure about banning smoking on the whole campus though.

What I was trying to say is that it would be a bit unfair for smokers to be forced to smoke in the lashing rain if they banned smoking by the entrances.. especially outside of JH..

Stheno

I'm a smoker and have worked on large campuses where this law applies.

It's quite horrid, a ten min walk for a smoke or a break?

I take the break

And this is from a pack a day smoker.

Paczini

I feel that banning smoking on campus is a horrible idea.. I know so many people that smoke.. especially when they are studying/have assignments due. I dont mind a ban on smoking outside the entrances if there was a sheltered smoking area provided nearby so that people will have a chance to have a smoke between lectures..

mickstupp

I totally agree that it would be great to have a sheltered and dedicated smoking area. But I can't agree with this notion that smokers would be forced out into the lashing rain if a ban was in place. No-one's forcing them to smoke. It's a choice.

At the moment the only forcing happening is when smokers choose to force non-smokers to breathe their noxious fumes on the way into buildings to get to classes. How is it unfair to ask smokers to move elsewhere if they want to indulge something they've chosen to do that disturbs many other people? What's currently unfair is for them to blow smoke in everyone else's faces, yet they don't give a damn about the people that have to walk through their clouds. That much is obvious since they insist on hanging around the entrances whether the skies are blue or thundering.

Yeah, it's an addiction. Yeah, it's hard to give up. But it's still a choice to smoke and a choice to inflict it on other people.

Granted, you might say, 'But mick, you're choosing to have these lovely friendly smokers relegated round the corner to some horrible drafty shelter at best, and into the driving blizzards at worst!' - Even still, they can choose to not smoke. But I can't choose to avoid them when I need to get to class. I have to breathe their crap. I have to have the smell of them on my clothes. Because they don't give me a choice.

If there was a vote next week with an option for a shelter I'd vote for that. But if that's not an option, then I'm thoroughly in favour of a full ban on campus.

Turtyturd

Give them shelters.....and designated seats so all the smelly bastards have to sit beside each other. :pac:

token56

I can understand the logic behind banning smoking on say a hospital campus but not a university/college campus. Despite the health ministers intentions smoking is not yet banned in Ireland. Even as a non smoker I think you should have the right to smoke on campus. I agree about the entrance problem and designated smoking areas would be completely workable, but an outright ban, I just don't see the benefit. It will only cause additional stress to students.

Woodward

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1009447/new_smoking_area/

aaabbbb

I'd be in favour of a ban or designated areas at least

Having to hold my breath and try get into various buildings as quickly as I can past the smokers everyday before I need to take another breath is beyond annoying. Especially in JH where all my lectures are. Its also horrible to be stuck walking behind someone smoking , with the wind and thus the smoke blowing in your face and you can't escape it.

Might also disincentivise some people to begin or continue smoking.

banquo

*Insert comment about civil liberties here*

PictureFrame

Go round the back of JH if you find it that unbearable sure.. Or just, hold your breath or something! BE GRAND

aaabbbb

PictureFrame wrote: »

Go round the back of JH if you find it that unbearable sure.. Or just, hold your breath or something! BE GRAND

I already do hold my breath , one can only do so for so long you know and it can be near impossible during busy hours when theres hundreds of people trying to go in and out the same door to make it in ,in one breath.

People smoke around the back of JH too....

and the back door isn't always open like during exams and stuff . Which is where I also happen to have my exams.

banquo

No smoking in doorways / smoking areas is completely fair.

As for a total ban on smoking, I'd be firmly against it in principle.

Alt_Grrr

I thought it was the law that you aren't allowed to smoke near doorways.

zl1whqvjs75cdy

I feel sorry for that guy with the office beside the arts block entrance. His office must absolutely stink the poor bastard. I'd ban it from the front and back door of the arts block. Its a main thoroughfare and people block it badly there.

If its banned on campus how'll the SU work on nights out?

mickstupp

Alvin Plump Ant wrote: »

I feel sorry for that guy with the office beside the arts block entrance. His office must absolutely stink the poor bastard. I'd ban it from the front and back door of the arts block. Its a main thoroughfare and people block it badly there.

It's not just that office, all down that row, whenever anyone's smoking you can smell it in those offices. Doesn't even matter if the windows are closed when people are standing right there.

aaabbbb

banquo wrote: »

No smoking in doorways / smoking areas is completely fair.

As for a total ban on smoking, I'd be firmly against it in principle.

Ah now just because you smoke

BillyMitchel

Dont blame the smokers! The ashtrays are beside most entrances!

Alt_Grrr

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Dont blame the smokers! The ashtrays are beside most entrances!

They were hanging around long before the ashtrays were there.
I think a sort of covered smoking area is called for.

Maybe they can smoke in the bike shelters?

BillyMitchel

Alt_Grrr wrote: »

They were hanging around long before the ashtrays were there.
I think a sort of covered smoking area is called for.

Maybe they can smoke in the bike shelters?

I think an outright ban is a step too far but as a smoker I'd have no problem with a designated area. I already feel guilty as it is smoking around non-smokers. I'd settle for a nice heated area with shelter from the wind and rain! Maybe a wide-screen TV showing sky sports news with some Hooters type girls asking would I like a tea or an ice-cold drink with some bourbon creams while they light my cigarette. I don't ask for much.

Get on it SU!

banquo

It won't happen. If it does it's years away. The sheer number of people you have to convince to get anything done is mad. Also, because it would likely involve physical activity such as moving the ashtrays, add another year on.

Year 1: float idea.
Year 2: agree on idea.
Year 3: implement idea.

aaabbbb

banquo wrote: »

It won't happen. If it does it's years away. The sheer number of people you have to convince to get anything done is mad. Also, because it would likely involve physical activity such as moving the ashtrays, add another year on.

Year 1: float idea.
Year 2: agree on idea.
Year 3: implement idea.

The ash trays could just "disappear".... and we could blame it on the elves

zl1whqvjs75cdy

If it has to involve the buildings office it'll take decades.

Eric Cartman

while your at it get a larger enclosed smoking area for the SU, one of those quazi-legal jobs with just an opening in the roof covered by an awning , serious lack of rainproof smoking locations in nuim.

itsgrand

Why should other people have to suffer due to other peoples unhealthy habits?

Although many smokers will detest amusingly, a ban on smoking is good thing.

If it takes three-four years and lasts for the foreseeable future of Maynooth, then ultimately, it's for the best.

Trinity and UCD have the right idea. We're behind.

Planemo

I don't smoke but as long as it's not illegal to smoke outside, I don't think it should be banned. We're all adults here and should be able to arrange something that suits both groups without resorting to forcing smokers into clandestine fag breaks in some far off nook.
(how would you even police it, with a tobacco warden going round knocking the smokes out of people's hands? Fines?)
And personally, the smell of cow shít on campus is way more intrusive and disgusting than second hand smoke most of the time.

Also, from stories I've heard from friends who go to UCD, the last thing you'd want to do is emulate how they run the place.
(Remember, this is the college that banned Coca Cola from being sold on campus.)

BeerSteakBirds

It's a slippery slope to eradicate and control your freedom. Ban smoking now (which I disagree with as a non smoker) and eventually they will have you turning up to college in shorts and a cap like this guy






Serious. You may laugh but wiser men have laughed at lots of things which they regretted later. They will keep trying to control you until the very last cent is extracted from your pocket. Banning one small thing or another might not make any sense on it's own but taken as part of a whole it is all about control. Control the small things people do and eventually they automatically will obey when they are commanded to do something bigger.

Seren_

In the words of the magnificent* Peter Matthews "we're all going to die anyways", so personally I don't think smoking should be banned on campus. Don't smoke myself, but I don't find the smell of it that disgusting or the groups of people outside entrances that cumbersome. But sure if yous want to get it banned, set up a working group and find out who you need to talk to to get things in motion/chat the SU about holding a referendum. Don't just sit pissing and moaning about it on the internet.

*not actually magnificent

banquo

UCD was unsure about banning coke on campus.

Pepsi offer them an obscene amount of money.

Ucd to UCDSU: we've been thinking about it and if you run a referendum to ban Coke on campus we'd support it.

SU: ok.

Coke banned. Bling for the college and a victory for the SU. No real change, but everybody happy. Ah, college politics.

Planemo

That's interesting seeing as:
a) it was posited as a protest against Coke's labour practices and
b) UCD has the second highest* student levy for in the country (yes I just googled this cos I'm sick with nothing better to do on a Saturday night :P)
I know this is due to the new sports centre but I've heard of other examples of gouging the students, so where did the Pepsi money go?

This and multiple other examples of cúntery in that place makes me thank my non-existant God that I missed my UCD 1st preference.


*NUIG (€224!) has the highest, if you were wondering.

mickstupp

I would also vote for the banning of motorbikes being parked in front of the arts block and the kicking, arresting, and deportation of whoever the sod is who owns it and takes numerous numbers of multiple minutes starting and stopping the piece of crap when he or she should actually be parking far far far far far far away. Like Luxembourg.

Not that it's annoying or anything.

BeerSteakBirds

well now that we are on a roll , lets ban (prohibit) alcohol . All those drunk people in your face must be extremely offensive to someone, sure they can head to temple bar to drink coke and smoke but should not be allowed anywhere near the hallowed halls of learning because everyone knows that real learned people only behave in a specific way. Oh and a pub right next to a Gym (in UCD) just when people are discussing the banning of using sport to promote alcohol.... what a fantastic idea , they dont even need any exercise to walk from one to the other, do an hour on the treadmill then throw it all away with 10 pints

We all know the pub is too much of a money maker to ever be closed down.So maybe we can deduce that those in charge actually do not give a monkeys about your health. They only care about your wallet. Watch the stream of suicides from those forced out of their college degree due to the student contribution charge (2500 euro this year in UCD) and related charges from a faceless university with impotent advisers who can listen, who can sympathise but in the end cannot help you stay where you belong to any real extent. ( I know real life cases of what Im talking about)


Alternatively they could just treat people like adults and stop this banning stuff nonsense.... unless they decide to ban anyone from graduating who leaves a students union post with an unbalanced budget.

DylanII

BeerSteakBirds wrote: »

well now that we are on a roll , lets ban (prohibit) alcohol . All those drunk people in your face must be extremely offensive to someone, sure they can head to temple bar to drink coke and smoke but should not be allowed anywhere near the hallowed halls of learning because everyone knows that real learned people only behave in a specific way. Oh and a pub right next to a Gym (in UCD) just when people are discussing the banning of using sport to promote alcohol.... what a fantastic idea , they dont even need any exercise to walk from one to the other, do an hour on the treadmill then throw it all away with 10 pints

We all know the pub is too much of a money maker to ever be closed down.So maybe we can deduce that those in charge actually do not give a monkeys about your health. They only care about your wallet. Watch the stream of suicides from those forced out of their college degree due to the student contribution charge (2500 euro this year in UCD) and related charges from a faceless university with impotent advisers who can listen, who can sympathise but in the end cannot help you stay where you belong to any real extent. ( I know real life cases of what Im talking about)


Alternatively they could just treat people like adults and stop this banning stuff nonsense.... unless they decide to ban anyone from graduating who leaves a students union post with an unbalanced budget.

Someone getting drunk and getting all up in your face or being offensive might be annoying but it won't give you cancer ... Those drunk people are not forcing you to drink alcohol ...

aaabbbb

DylanII wrote: »

Someone getting drunk and getting all up in your face or being offensive might be annoying but it won't give you cancer ... Those drunk people are not forcing you to drink alcohol ...

Not unless they can find a way to defy osmosis (by this I mean have osmosis super powers) in which case them mother****ers would be rolling in it and would care less

Ps Sneeky naggins are much easier to get away with than sneeky smokes

Shaneen

This thread is so ridiculous . Smoking won't be banned , drinking won't be banned, makeup won't be banned , dogs won't be banned, mantra won't be unreal Craic. If you have asthma, take your inhaler. If you have a problem with someone smoking in your presence, tell them. But even at that there is nothing you can do about it! Dry up, hold your breath, have a bit of Craic. Maynooth won't be home to complainers !!!! People like you ruin our campus buzz!

retroactive

1. Nanny state argument - "University is what happens in between lectures" ..Apparently, whatever it is that happens between those hallowed halls of learning is subject to totalitarian rule. Why must we be nannied at every juncture in our lives? Freedom to make bad decisions is surely apart of the human condition. I don't think this argument carries much persuasive weight though

2. Maynooth as a community -What purpose would a total ban on smoking have on the campus? It would drive a large portion of our student community into he village, taking revenue from campus cafés ans shops. With an eco system as small as Maynooth, a change such as ostracising part of the student community could have a very real and very detrimental effect.

Ban it from door ways if it is affecting our nonsmokers.

Eliminate the harm - not your fellow students

- Bar

Doctor Strange

Oh, here comes the hysteria


*grabs popcorn*

Paczini

i love smoking, i will not stop! i dont care if the cigs are 50 euro.

U CANT FORCE ME!

BillyMitchel

Paczini wrote: »

i love smoking, i will not stop! i dont care if the cigs are 50 euro.

U CANT FORCE ME!

What about 55 euro?!

Paczini

BillyMitchel wrote: »

What about 55 euro?!

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