Europe wide ATC strike Oct 10th?

whitebriar

Is this going ahead? Its to protest the amalgamation of ATC across Europe.

If it does,will Dub or UK airports be involved? If not,I've a flight to Tlv on that day,I presume that would be cancelled.

I know some flights during the last French ATC strike did crazy routes from Gva through UK airspace out into the Atlantic and down to Lis :eek:

Not an option if all EU space is shut.

Anyone hear anything,its only 11 days away?

http://atcosonline.com/news/air-traffic-strike-set-10-october-europe

urajoke

whitebriar wrote: »

Is this going ahead? Its to protest the amalgamation of ATC across Europe.

If it does,will Dub or UK airports be involved? If not,I've a flight to Tlv on that day,I presume that would be cancelled.

I know some flights during the last French ATC strike did crazy routes from Gva through UK airspace out into the Atlantic and down to Lis :eek:

Not an option if all EU space is shut.

Anyone hear anything,its only 11 days away?

http://atcosonline.com/news/air-traffic-strike-set-10-october-europe

No Irish ATC is NOT involved.

whitebriar

urajoke wrote: »

No Irish ATC is NOT involved.

Cool,I thought they were in the same group and the UK isn't?

So that gets me to LHR,how is my flight from there to Tlv going to route(or indeed any ex dub flight)

Cancelations galore ?

urajoke

whitebriar wrote: »

Cool,I thought they were in the same group and the UK isn't?

So that gets me to LHR,how is my flight from there to Tlv going to route(or indeed any ex dub flight)

Cancelations galore ?

No we don't take part in European actions.

I wouldn't know I'm afraid completely up to your airline they might cancel or take a LONG delay

notharrypotter

No we don't take part in European actions.

Are all ATC Unions not linked via ETF or similar?

urajoke

notharrypotter wrote: »

Are all ATC Unions not linked via ETF or similar?

I imagine rudimentary links are maintained. I can't give an official answer on the links or lack of and reasoning behind them as I simply don't know.

Again Irish ATC won't be taking action on the 10th.

BonkeyDonker

Have read more into this it appears to be the small, and possibly under-performing countries that are protesting the most. Ireland and the UK seem to have embraced the SES - well as far as the Ireland/UK FAB - and by all accounts are at the more productive end of the scale when it comes to European ATC.

BowWow

Flying to Italy that day on hols - will we be affected?

Wally Runs

BonkeyDonker wrote: »

Have read more into this it appears to be the small, and possibly under-performing countries that are protesting the most.

BowWow wrote: »

Flying to Italy that day on hols - will we be affected?

Hard to say? My understanding is that many aircraft operators skirt close as possible to Italian airspace with out going into it, so as to avoid having to deal with Italian ATC. It having higher route charges and well ....

notharrypotter

Have read more into this it appears to be the small, and possibly under-performing countries that are protesting the most

Small countries?

I think Angela might have something to say about that.

http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2013/09/brussels-must-go-back-to-drawing-board-fabec/

The states which have lodged the complaint include Belgium, France, Germany, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Switzerland which together manage 1.7 million sq km of European airspace and handle 5.5 million flights per year – around half of the traffic travelling across Europe.

Italian ATC. It having higher route charges

https://www.iaa.ie/iaa_annual_report_2012/#/16/

Its comparable to Germany with UK and Switzerland having higher charges.


I am open to correction but isn't the Irish unit rate so low because of the typical sector length flown bu Aircraft in the Upper Airspace.

These aircraft never actually land in Ireland.

The EUROCONTROL route charge is calculated using these three basic elements:
 Aircraft Weight Factor
 Distance factor
 Unit Rate of Charge (for each Charging Zone)

suerte

latest info:

IRL/UK - no strike

France/Portugal - yes strike

Spain/Germany - possible strike but impact unknown yet

Italy: yes strike but delayed to 18th October

Tenger

suerte wrote: »

latest info:

IRL/UK - no strike

France/Portugal - yes strike

Spain/Germany - possible strike but impact unknown yet

Italy: yes strike but delayed to 18th October

A lot of Ireland - European flights usually transit French airspace so this will probably result in disruptions to these. Going East across the UK and down over Belgium/Netherlands/Germany is a work around but everyone will be doing this. If Germany joins in then it gets worse.

whitebriar

The strike has been called off pending talks.

keroseneboy

whitebriar wrote: »

The strike has been called off pending talks.

Good news. thanks.

whitebriar

keroseneboy wrote: »

Good news. thanks.

Not so good news,looks like the French on their own are on strike for 24hrs Thursday

keroseneboy

I am booked to travel on the 10th with Aer Lingus to France. Bummer. Is there any hope that the military will take over and cover for the striking staff or something to allow aircraft transit French airspace and land in French airports ?

urajoke

No chance of that happening.

Minimum 6 months training required for that to happen

Same way you wouldn't get a junior doctor to cover a brain surgeon if he/she didn't turn up

suerte

latest from eurocontrol.

It is expected that all 5 French ACCs will implement a significant reduction in capacity and consequent regulations starting from approximately 0400 UTC.
It is expected that these capacities will change as staff report for duty as follows:

Paris and Reims ACCs (LFFF/LFEE):
Capacity is expected to become available during the early part of the morning and precautionary regulations should be cancelled by 0600 UTC.

Brest and Bordeaux ACCs (LFRR/LFBB):
A minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity will available during the morning. This is expected to increase from 0900 UTC onwards until 1800 UTC when normal capacities are expected.

Marseille ACC (LFMM):
The strike is expected to be very strongly adhered to with a minimum service of approximately 33% of normal capacity from 0430-1800 UTC with an increase in capacity only after 1800 UTC.

The DGAC is implementing a flight reduction programme as follows:

Arrival and Departures from LFPG, LFPO and LFOB from 0400-1200 UTC from and to the south must be reduced by 30%.
Operators should be prepared to reduce their programmes after 1200 UTC if necessary.

It is currently not clear on the exact definition of South. This will be confirmed by NOTAM as soon as possible and this headline news will be updated accordingly.

Arrival and departures from LFLL and LFML must be reduced by 30% from 0400-1800 UTC as they are wholly within the LFMM ACC.

Operators to LFMN (Nice) are not requested to reduce their flying programmes, as traffic can route via LIMM (Milan ACC) avoiding LFMM ACC.

whitebriar

If dub nce is unaffected,and I absolutely had to be in France on the 10th or didn't want to delay a holiday,I'd ask Ei to send me there and I'd get the train to Paris.It will be a full speed tgv from Marseilles up.

My flight to Tlv goes into Dutch and German space,so should be ok.

crosstownk

I've a friend going from EIDW to EHEH tomorrow. He's a bit concerned about the industrial action but I reckon he'll be grand............... Am I right in thinking this?

BowWow

BowWow wrote: »

Flying to Italy that day on hols - will we be affected?

Any idea how we'll be fixed - Bologna?

urajoke

Both will be fine. Out over UK-Belguim-Germany-Switzerland-Italy