Liable for back tax on car

Whiplashy

I bought a car last week. The tax is out of date since June. My understanding was that I would only have to pay tax from the start of September. Once I got home though I discovered that the guy I bought the car from never had the tax transferred into his name.

He bought the car in August, and the transfer of ownership was signed by the last owner and dated for August. I did contemplate changing the date but figured that would probably be dodgy. Am I now liable for the extra months tax?

colm_mcm

Do you still have the reg cert?

CiniO

Whiplashy wrote: »

I bought a car last week. The tax is out of date since June. My understanding was that I would only have to pay tax from the start of September. Once I got home though I discovered that the guy I bought the car from never had the tax transferred into his name.

He bought the car in August, and the transfer of ownership was signed by the last owner and dated for August. I did contemplate changing the date but figured that would probably be dodgy. Am I now liable for the extra months tax?

So you bought a car, signed back page on logbook, which was already signed by previous owner and dated in August. And you have this logbook with you now, as no one sent it to Shannon yet?

Am I understanding right?

Whiplashy

CiniO wrote: »

So you bought a car, signed back page on logbook, which was already signed by previous owner and dated in August. And you have this logbook with you now, as no one sent it to Shannon yet?

Am I understanding right?

I bought the car. The guy handed me the logbook and told me to fill it in and post it when I got a chance. Took no notice of it until I got home. Filled it in and posted it off.

Whiplashy

colm_mcm wrote: »

Do you still have the reg cert?

No posted it the day I got the car

CiniO

You should have changed the date to day you bought the car.

As you didn't you are liable for tax from date you signed.
As you don't know if car was used in public place from August, I wouldn't be risking declaring it was off the road now.
Also you might get some traffic fines or m50 tolls, parking fines, etc...

colm_mcm

Whiplashy wrote: »

No posted it the day I got the car

You're liable from when it goes in your name, now I don't know if the date on the cert actually makes a difference though and they might go on when they process it.


What did you buy, I remember your yaris thread

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

You're liable from when it goes in your name, now I don't know if the date on the cert actually makes a difference though and they might go on when they process it.

Date filled in on back page of logbook is then noted as date of sale (field C.9).
This is the date when you become an registered owner, even if logbook is posted few month later.

Dord

Did you not check you were buying the car from the actual owner?

Peanut2011

Whiplashy wrote: »

No posted it the day I got the car

In that case yes you are liable from the date it was on the log book. Especially if it was private sale!

Whiplashy

colm_mcm wrote: »

You're liable from when it goes in your name, now I don't know if the date on the cert actually makes a difference though and they might go on when they process it.


What did you buy, I remember your yaris thread

I got a 1.4 Corolla hatchback

Whiplashy

Thanks for the replies. I figured I'd probably have to pay the extra months tax. Didn't think it would be legal to change the date though as it was signed by the original owner.

colm_mcm

Whiplashy wrote: »

Thanks for the replies. I figured I'd probably have to pay the extra months tax. Didn't think it would be legal to change the date though as it was signed by the original owner.

Did you think you had a legal agreement with the original owner?

Busted Flat.

when you buy a car, you do not receive the tax book like years ago, you get a RF something form and the tax outfits send it out too you. Where have you been for the last 20 years, or are you one or two slices short of a sliced pan.

colm_mcm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

when you buy a car, you do not receive the tax book like years ago, you get a RF something form and the tax outfits send it out too you. Where have you been for the last 20 years, or are you one or two slices short of a sliced pan.

You get a registration cert back in the post. Who said anything about a tax book?

Busted Flat.

colm_mcm wrote: »

You get a registration cert back in the post. Who said anything about a tax book?

Did you not sign an RF2 form in front of the guy you bought it from.

drunkmonkey

Where do I stand bought from a garage but the log book was lost, haven't signed it yet as there waiting for a new one....I presume no liability until it's transferred to me from garage?

Whiplashy

colm_mcm wrote: »

Did you think you had a legal agreement with the original owner?

No but since the owner is signing that they sold the car on that specific date I didn't think that I could just change it. It would be pretty obvious that the date had been changed. Obviously if they contacted the original owner about it he would have confirmed it had been changed. In future I'll be checking the date.

colm_mcm

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Did you not sign an RF2 form in front of the guy you bought it from.

You sign the back of the rf101 (vehicle registration certificate), send it off then get a new one with your name on it.

http://www.wexford.ie/wex/Departments/MotorTax/VRC/

colm_mcm

Whiplashy wrote: »

No but since the owner is signing that they sold the car on that specific date I didn't think that I could just change it. It would be pretty obvious that the date had been changed. Obviously if they contacted the original owner about it he would have confirmed it had been changed. In future I'll be checking the date.

They wouldn't have cared. Anyway it's done now.
Was your man a wheeler dealer or what?

Whiplashy

colm_mcm wrote: »

They wouldn't have cared. Anyway it's done now.
Was your man a wheeler dealer or what?

I think he was a bit dodgy. Met him on the side of the road because he clearly didn't want me knowing where he lives. And he obviously doesn't want his name attached to any paper work. I'm not bothered though. The cars not stolen and it's exactly what I was looking for. If an extra months tax is the worst that happens I'll be happy.

Busted Flat.

Whiplashy wrote: »

I think he was a bit dodgy. Met him on the side of the road because he clearly didn't want me knowing where he lives. And he obviously doesn't want his name attached to any paper work. I'm not bothered though. The cars not stolen and it's exactly what I was looking for. If an extra months tax is the worst that happens I'll be happy.

Get a grip, did you run it past the finance outfit. Or is this a sympathy whinge.

Whiplashy

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Get a grip, did you run it past the finance outfit. Or is this a sympathy whinge.

I'm not sure why I'd need sympathy...

Peanut2011

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where do I stand bought from a garage but the log book was lost, haven't signed it yet as there waiting for a new one....I presume no liability until it's transferred to me from garage?

You have a bill of sale from the garage?? The car would have been in their "holding" name till you bought it.

You will likely be liable for i from when you bought it.

colm_mcm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Where do I stand bought from a garage but the log book was lost, haven't signed it yet as there waiting for a new one....I presume no liability until it's transferred to me from garage?

Yep. They'd have to get the previous owner to get a replacement cert, then sign it into your name.

They should have done an rf105 into their name when the car was traded in. They'd have needed a reg cert to do that though.
If you check motortax.ie under transaction query you'll see if they ever did this.

In most cases like this the garage never get the reg cert when trading the car in and string the customer they sell the car on for as long as possible, the person who traded their old car in for a new one often doesn't bother getting the replacement cert and that's where the delay comes from.
Its just not plausible that a garage doesn't have a file that they keep reg Certs in. They don't just go missing.

drunkmonkey

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yep. They'd have to get the previous owner to get a replacement cert, then sign it into your name.

Hopefully he takes his time and the budget goes my way.

Peanut2011

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yep. They'd have to get the previous owner to get a replacement cert, then sign it into your name.

If it is from the garage they need to apply for replacement, nothing to do with previous owner.

colm_mcm

Peanut2011 wrote: »

If it is from the garage they need to apply for replacement, nothing to do with previous owner.

Can you explain to me how this works, it's been a few years since I worked in a main dealer and at the time a garage couldn't apply for a replacement cert for a car that was on an rf105
Maybe its different now. How do you do it these days?

Who's name is on the reg cert when it comes back, hardly the garages?

drunkmonkey

Just checked it there

Purchased by a Dealer on : xxxxx
Notified on : xxxxxx

colm_mcm

I'd assume (given the differences in the dates) they didn't use the online system to put it into their name. Should be noted that its possible to complete the paper rf105 and out it into garage name without actually having the registration cert.

online system needs serial number on cert to process.

drunkmonkey

Grand so it looks like it's not in my name yet..

corktina

did that thread get a bit hijacked? it stopped making sense and I don't have my thinking head on

colm_mcm

corktina wrote: »

did that thread get a bit hijacked? it stopped making sense and I don't have my thinking head on

I think everyone got sorted in the end.