Work Problems, advice needed please

afterglow

Hi all

Posted a message about this a while back but got no responses so hope for some this time.
I am currently working on a CE scheme in an organisation which I volunteered in for years before starting CE there.
now, rightly or wrongly, when I started the CE scheme I pretty much assumed there would be a full time job for me at the end of the scheme. Now I have pretty much been told this is not the case by my boss. Couple this with a new CEO who no one is much two fond of and you have a recipe for something not so good.
Also something happened this week which has made me struggle even more with my motivation than I did before.
I was asked could I make it into the place I work for 9.30 in the mornings, I live the other side of the city from where the place is. I also must admit, though I know it's not right, I do think it's wrong that I'm expected to have the same work ethic/conduct of someone who is working there on a full time basis, and as such being paid a full time wage. I know this has to change on my part though and I am going to work on this.
Anyway, when I was aasked about being in for 9.30 I explained that if I were to do that I would have to be up at probably 6 or earlier as I hate feeling rushed and have a lot to do in the morning's before leaving. We had an exchange back and forward for a while, and then the thing that bothered me most was said. If I was working I'd have to be in for a certain time every day.
I responded back that if I was I'd be earning a full time wage and this would be different, that I wasn't so it wasn't the same. I know that I have some serious work to do on my attitude towards things, what I don't know is how to do it.
I don't want to mess this up, and really do want to do my best. I just can't help feeling down/sad/hopeless that there is possibly no job for me at the end of this. How do I pick myself up and put myself in a better frame of mind so as I can give 100 percent holeheartedly to this?

I also can't shake the feeling of thinking that I'm really still on social welfare, and this is not a job at all. I didn't feel like this when I thought there was a job at the end of it. Also, how can I change my attitude on thinking that I should have to behave in the same manner as fulltime workers is wrong, as I'm guessing that people will think it's wrong that I think this way also.
Thanks and advice appreciated.
P.S. From Monday I have to be in at this time anyway so will just have to get on with it, but it's the above stuff I seak advice on.

Typer Monkey

I can't advise you specifically as I have no experience of CE schemes. Has the permanent job disappeared completely or will it go to someone else?

Are you still job hunting? If so, I assume you will put your supervisor/manager from your CE scheme down as a reference? If so, what are they likely to say about you to a prospective employer? Will they say inflexible, awkward, half hearted? Maybe you could use working as best you can in order to get a reference as motivation. To be honest it's not an employer's problem if you live on the other side of the city or that you like to move slowly in the morning. These are things that a lot of employees have to manage to probably came across to your manager as moany and as a lack of flexibility?

MouseTail

9.30 is not too early a start and it is absolutely reasonable for your employer to request that you start work at this time.
Yes, you are in supported employment, but the same commitment, motivation and ethic is expected of such staff as of regular staff.

Also very few CE positions result in employment in the host organisation. Are you applying for other jobs and have you made use of your training allowance?

afterglow

MouseTail wrote: »

9.30 is not too early a start and it is absolutely reasonable for your employer to request that you start work at this time.
Yes, you are in supported employment, but the same commitment, motivation and ethic is expected of such staff as of regular staff.

Also very few CE positions result in employment in the host organisation. Are you applying for other jobs and have you made use of your training allowance?

Hi
I am trying to survive on my training allowance, so in that way I suppose yes I do make use of it.
It is hard to apply for other jobs as the field I am working in is quite specialised, so not many jobs going in the field.
To comment on the other post above, the person who asked me first could I make it in was not my manager.
I have been timetabled in for this time now anyway, but like I said am just looking for advice, and the advice that the other poster gave re using working hard as motivation for a good reference is good, and I will certainly take this on board.

missjm

I think it's a very reasonable request expecting somebody to be in work at 9.30am even if they're not being paid fully due to CE scheme. I'm not familiar with the background of CE scheme but I do know we often hire temporary staff. Many of these have been given full time positions due to their positive attitude and good work ethic regardless of their lower pay and reduced hours. They have also during this time been asked to start as early as 7am due to the nature of the business and take long journeys to get there.

I'm glad you see that you need to work on your attitude. Employers want people who are obliging and reliable. Sometimes you have to work long hours, sometimes you have to do work you don't particularly want to do. Remember, you may not be paid fully while working here and may not get a permanent post there but their recommendation will be invaluable to you especially if it's a specialised field.

The_Conductor

A 9.30AM start is probably among the latest start of anyone in the country- its far from exceptional- if its exceptional at all, its that its 9.30 and not 9.00 or even 8.30AM.

I live barely 10 minutes from work- but get up at 6AM every morning to get the children ready and to get into work ontime. I aim to be in work for 8.45AM. I'm rarely out of work before 5.30PM. These are not unusual hours. I normally get a load of laundry and at least an hour's housework done in the morning before I go anywhere- and put up with temper tantrums from a 2 and 3 year old as I get them ready for their day ahead too.

I genuinely don't understand why you consider a 9.30AM start as something exceptional or unachievable- if you ever intend on working in a normal capacity- irrespective of where this might be- you are going to have to seriously get your act together. If someone I was working with refused point blank to make a 9.30AM meeting- I'd be suggesting they had a serious attitude problem, and questioning my dealings with them.

No- not everyone is lucky enough to live as close to work as I am- I forewent promotion and took a significant cut in salary to be picked for my current job- whether you like it or not- there is a social and economic cost associated with choosing where you work- providing you can get work.

I'd seriously recommend you get out of your humph over a 9.30AM start- you're never going to be offered a job anywhere if you feel you have some sort of entitlement to a late start in the morning.

Before you bitch at me about how far you have to travel in the morning- I was travelling 2+ hours in the morning and again in the evening- and consistently made work before 9AM. I made choices- which involved a much lower salary to get where I am- which I don't regret.

If you can't make a 9.30AM start in the morning- toss the towel- you obviously have no interest in the job or working there, simple as.

Curry Addict

so they have told you you are in a dead end and they just want to flog the work out of you for their benefit.
Now they want to change your terms and bring you in earlier. Its ok to say no, I certainly would if it didn't suit me. You also don't need to justify yourself. Justifying yourself just comes across bad. Just say NO, simply and let them deal with it. You had an agreed starting time, at the start, if a new time doesn't suit you then don't do it, you owe them nothing.
Do your job well and hold your head high and make sure your getting what you want from the job.