Self defence South Dublin

Fallingoutgirl

Hi!,

I'm a nervous person as it is so have a great fear of being attacked and not being able to defend myself or the people with me (especially children). I'm wondering if anyone knows of any in depth self defence trainning in the South dublin area? Preferably the Stillorgan/ Dundrum/ Rathfarnham areas.
I'm a female, in my 20s, I'm fit enough however I suffer slightly with my back, but don't feel it would be a huge issue as it doesn't impact my everyday life.
Any suggestions would be great!
Thanks!:)

MrStuffins

Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu is on Dundrum Main Street, above Ladbrokes.

Fallingoutgirl

MrStuffins wrote: »

Gracie Barra Jiu Jitsu is on Dundrum Main Street, above Ladbrokes.

Oh brilliant! Thanks a lot. Know of it's any use??

Zen65

Karate training?

Scott Langley runs a good karate club in Ranelagh: http://www.hombudojokarate.com/

Brendan Perry runs a good karate cluub in Ballyroan: http://www.wskf.ie/our-clubs/ballyroan/

smacl

Fallingoutgirl wrote: »

Any suggestions would be great!

Take up a martial art first and foremost because you enjoy it. If you don't, you won't keep it up and it won't be any use to you. Anything with full contact striking and wrestling will give you an idea of what it's like to fight, and where your weaknesses are. In your area Paul Moran has a good reputation, and teaches san shou (full contact chinese kick boxing). So far as I remember from an ICBA event awhile back, he has female fighters, which would also be a big plus.

MMA in Loughlinstown also has a good rep AFAIK.

If you don't like a class or club after a couple of lessons, just try the next one, there's plenty around your area.

Izanaki

I feel to suggest an Aikido class. http://www.aikishurendojodublin.com. It's on Harold's Cross Rd. Next week we are organizing a 2-day trial lesson for beginners. If you want to give it a try, have a look at the website and let me know!

silat liam

Hi

There also Silat - Kali class, just open now on Goatstown Road in Dundrum. Its on a Thursday night at 7.30pm at the Jesus and Mary Primary School, sports Hall. If you like more info, just let me know.

Liam

freddyboiii

http://ecjja.com/ East Coast is relatively near, there's a growing number of female members and a 30 day free trial

dtweet_8

I have heard that Krav Maga classes are designed specifically for defending yourself against attacks, maybe check that out.

smacl

dtweet_8 wrote: »

I have heard that Krav Maga classes are designed specifically for defending yourself against attacks, maybe check that out.

Though opinion of many on this forum is that it doesn't achieve this goal. See this thread for some recent discussion.

Morph the Cat

OP - if you want to learn something that works, take up kickboxing, MMA, Judo, or BJJ.

Avoid Karate, Krav Maga, Aikido, etc. They give you a false sense of security and don't work in a real situation with a resisting non-choreographed opponent.

Sebash

Morph the Cat wrote: »

OP - if you want to learn something that works, take up kickboxing, MMA, Judo, or BJJ.

Avoid Karate, Krav Maga, Aikido, etc. They give you a false sense of security and don't work in a real situation with a resisting non-choreographed opponent.

I must disagree. Since Kickboxing, MMA etc. are competitive and follow the tournament rules, they do not put enough attention on the real life saving technics which infact are the simplest technics targeting vital points of the attacker bodies. Sport Karate is of course less "real" than the above mentioned but Original Okinawian Karate was developed for self defence purposes only and later was changed for competition with most of the dangerous yet simple technics being removed from the curriculum.

I would strongly recommend to check Koryu Uchinadi ie. Youtube videos, and you will see what I am talking about. Some extra links are here.

http://www.koryu-uchinadi.com/
http://www.ku-dublin.com/pb/wp_cb683f81/wp_cb683f81.html

All the best
Seb

Morph the Cat

Seb - this is a video off the site you linked to: http://youtu.be/q9YNjPyg3Qo

Exactly as I said before - unrealistic choreography, like most TMA drills. Clinch with an MMA practitioner like that and you won't get your arm twisted and do a flip bump like in that video; you'll get kneed to the body, or elbowed to the face, or put flat on your back.

And from the other site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tB-LszBtgSc#t=116
If only real assailants would co-operate in this way...

Sebash

Hi Morph,

What you see on the video is a fluent 2 person drill put together by Hanshi McCarthy to speed up learning process, you could practise a number of typical attacks separately but in our opinion it is better to do it the way that both partners practice in the same time, and can do it million times and atsome stage it becomes and automatic reaction, the whole trick is to make your opponent to do what you want and have a big number of different, well trained answers for a typical attacks, and trust me there is always space for fingers separation, eyes poking groin punches, bits, spits etc that distract your attacker letting you perform arm bar or indeed a punch, kicks etc. and let you run away. Also there is an easy way out of most of the submissions from the disciplines you mentioned if there is no rules ad you are fighting for life, and do not hesitate to attack vital points.

Not saying that everything works for everyone, and thats the reason why you need to have a box full of tools and use one that ou are comfortable with and that works in the particular situation.

Regards,
Seb

Morph the Cat

Sebash wrote: »

you need to have a box full of tools and use one that ou are comfortable with and that works in the particular situation.

My whole point was that none of these demos or arm twists would work in a real situation - they're choreographed - the partner is co-operating. People don't attack by grabbing your shoulder from behind (like in the 2nd clip) and then wait for you to turn around with their wrist in a lock, then continue to wait while you kick them in the knee, and then willingly fall to the ground for you to "finish them" off with a single strike.
In what situation is that sort of training ever helpful? It instills a false sense of confidence. It's ridiculous. It's 2013, FFS. We know what works now in real life fights.

Sebash

Morph the Cat wrote: »

My whole point was that none of these demos or arm twists would work in a real situation - they're choreographed - the partner is co-operating. People don't attack by grabbing your shoulder from behind (like in the 2nd clip) and then wait for you to turn around with their wrist in a lock, then continue to wait while you kick them in the knee, and then willingly fall to the ground for you to "finish them" off with a single strike.
In what situation is that sort of training ever helpful? It instills a false sense of confidence. It's ridiculous. It's 2013, FFS. We know what works now in real life fights.

Certain parts of the drills are not part of the self defence action but are added for drill fluency, i think you are confusing life threatening situations with street fights that one is not forced to take part in and should avoid.

Peetrik

Have to agree with Morph completely on this one.

Choreographed techniques, even at a fast pace with a practice partner you're familiar with is still just choreography.

Full contact (not full force obviously) sparring/rolling is the only way you're going to learn anything worth learning about fighting. IMO, Clubs that compete are the best places to learn it as the people there will be training what works on other athletes and not flashy nonsense.

Dyr

I remember doing aikido back in the early 90s, came in handy a couple of times when I got started on. I'm gutted to find out that those lads who started on me weren't resisting properly. The bastards

Sebash

Peetrik wrote: »

Have to agree with Morph completely on this one.

Choreographed techniques, even at a fast pace with a practice partner you're familiar with is still just choreography.

Full contact (not full force obviously) sparring/rolling is the only way you're going to learn anything worth learning about fighting. IMO, Clubs that compete are the best places to learn it as the people there will be training what works on other athletes and not flashy nonsense.

KU includes ground, stands, throwing, and vital points study and of course also free fights, ie. C/w Koshiki helmets (at the end of the day we do have to show faces after training;) I agree that one has to spar and this is part of all martial arts, but you can not spar if you never learned how to perform kicks, punches, chokes, escapes, etc. Etc you just can not be born with it or upload it like in matrix, ... years of repetitions is a key, and you have to start with basics, othetwise...its not martial art i am afraid. Seb

Peetrik

Sebash wrote: »

you just can not be born with it or upload it like in matrix, ... years of repetitions is a key, and you have to start with basics, othetwise...its not martial art i am afraid. Seb

All perfectly true. The problem is that in the links you provided it shows people standing in rows hitting the air or else doing choreography.

I have no problem with Karate, I know a couple of kyokushin practitioners that I have no doubt could easily kick the snot out of me. How effective a martial art is all depends on how the martial art is trained.

The issue is not with the syllabus of KU that you've posted. It's the method of training being displayed in the links you posted.