Above ground slurry store or slatted tank

Farfield

Any ideas how much say a permastore 50,000 gallons slurry store would cost? Is it much cheaper than a shuttered underground tank with slats?? I am weighing up both options for an extension to cow shed. Basically put up the shed and scrape into the tanks in the old shed, or go with slatted tank and shed again??

Mulumpy

Farfield wrote: »

Any ideas how much say a permastore 50,000 gallons slurry store would cost? Is it much cheaper than a shuttered underground tank with slats?? I am weighing up both options for an extension to cow shed. Basically put up the shed and scrape into the tanks in the old shed, or go with slatted tank and shed again??

I put up a 150k stainless steel slurry store in 07. Pump it over from existing 50k underground tank when full. It cost 50k then before fym grant. I think the glass lined one was 12k cheaper. Mighty job have lots of capacity now

stanflt

I put up a 300000 gal mac Crete. Over ground thank in 2009 with a reception tank of 6000 gal for 36000 all in

Should prob of gone for steel as the concrete one can't be added to


Overground is over half the price of underground

Zetor man

Farfield wrote: »

Any ideas how much say a permastore 50,000 gallons slurry store would cost? Is it much cheaper than a shuttered underground tank with slats?? I am weighing up both options for an extension to cow shed. Basically put up the shed and scrape into the tanks in the old shed, or go with slatted tank and shed again??

Have a look on Done Deal 40,000gal tank there for 9K euro

sandydan

Farfield wrote: »

Any ideas how much say a permastore 50,000 gallons slurry store would cost? Is it much cheaper than a shuttered underground tank with slats?? I am weighing up both options for an extension to cow shed. Basically put up the shed and scrape into the tanks in the old shed, or go with slatted tank and shed again??

my consideration would be life of tank ie slats last about 20 years, if extension will be required in future will location interfere with extension, i put in slatted tank and its restricting my capacity to extend yard now, at time permastore sounded dear but at least can be extended up or moved if necessary.just a consideration worth noting

grazeaway

sandydan wrote: »

my consideration would be life of tank ie slats last about 20 years, if extension will be required in future will location interfere with extension, i put in slatted tank and its restricting my capacity to extend yard now, at time permastore sounded dear but at least can be extended up or moved if necessary.just a consideration worth noting

This is a fair point to think about. I was looking into get back into dairy and was looking at my options with slurry storage as I would be short with the current housing.

It all depended on cow numbers, my existing housing would allow me have around 50 cows which I could easily manage on the home plot. I have an existing slatted tank which is will hold enough fir the winter housing for the sucklers. I would have needed to double the size of the tank in order to have enough storage for the parlour and dairy. If I planned to up the numbers and built another cubicle shed to house about 75 then I would have had to extend the tank anyway.

With keeping the number at 50 and not changing the housing an overground tank would have made more sense as I could pump to it from the dairy and parlour and also from the main tank when it was full. If I was building a new shed then putting the slatted tanks in with the new build would make more sense.

Another factor with over ground tanks is agitation and how often will it be emptied. I know a few lads that have the aeration systems and these run every night to mix the slurry but then again these tanks are topped up every day from the parlour and small amount would be regally taken out especially in spring time to be spread on a field that had just been grazed. If they are only emptied once or twice a year then a fixed mechanical agitator would make more sense.

Also you need to put in bunding to prevent slurry spills if you one and you are near a stream. I think they are also looking to do something similar for yards near roads. Normally this is a bank a long the field below the tank to hold the slurry.

Timmaay

I got a price of 16k for a 46kgls underground tank, 14ft slats, 9ft deep and 70ft long. I could keep it more square and make it a double but only 35ft long for slightly less money. Interestingly the price on a similar 46kgls tank, but shorter and using 16ft slats worked out more expensive! I remember reading up here on boards that 16ft wide was the most cost effective, however not in this case. I suggested 10ft deep and was told that what you'd save in having the tank more square, you'd spend in extra steel as the 10ft walls need more reinforcing than say 8ft/9ft.

sandydan

Timmaay wrote: »

I got a price of 16k for a 46kgls underground tank, 14ft slats, 9ft deep and 70ft long. I could keep it more square and make it a double but only 35ft long for slightly less money. Interestingly the price on a similar 46kgls tank, but shorter and using 16ft slats worked out more expensive! I remember reading up here on boards that 16ft wide was the most cost effective, however not in this case. I suggested 10ft deep and was told that what you'd save in having the tank more square, you'd spend in extra steel as the 10ft walls need more reinforcing than say 8ft/9ft.

i dont know what to make of this and dont want to drag thread off topic. met a green enthusiast for want of better description:). anyways he told me about new project ,mentioned bord Gais, but anyway idea is slurry tanks are covered to gather the gas and gas collected from rubber chamber and cleaned before reuse, ive searched and cant find any info ,
think he may be talking about some kind of slurry digester or raving some one of the 2, anyone heard about it. a bit pricy for individual farmer but group supply of surplus slurry with rest sold as bio fertiliser may be a runner as in some areas of Germany and Sweden maybe cant see it operating off covered/sealed slurry tanks with fresh slurry pumped in, as he seemed to suggest

C0N0R

Timmaay wrote: »

I got a price of 16k for a 46kgls underground tank, 14ft slats, 9ft deep and 70ft long. I could keep it more square and make it a double but only 35ft long for slightly less money. Interestingly the price on a similar 46kgls tank, but shorter and using 16ft slats worked out more expensive! I remember reading up here on boards that 16ft wide was the most cost effective, however not in this case. I suggested 10ft deep and was told that what you'd save in having the tank more square, you'd spend in extra steel as the 10ft walls need more reinforcing than say 8ft/9ft.

Is that 16 figure including the slats?? Trying to figure out what size of tank to put in and going looking about prices this week, was thinking 16ft slats three/four bay double.

just do it

Timmaay wrote: »

I got a price of 16k for a 46kgls underground tank, 14ft slats, 9ft deep and 70ft long. I could keep it more square and make it a double but only 35ft long for slightly less money. Interestingly the price on a similar 46kgls tank, but shorter and using 16ft slats worked out more expensive! I remember reading up here on boards that 16ft wide was the most cost effective, however not in this case. I suggested 10ft deep and was told that what you'd save in having the tank more square, you'd spend in extra steel as the 10ft walls need more reinforcing than say 8ft/9ft.

Department spec? If not any idea how much extra that spec would cost?

darragh_haven

sandydan wrote: »

i dont know what to make of this and dont want to drag thread off topic. met a green enthusiast for want of better description:). anyways he told me about new project ,mentioned bord Gais, but anyway idea is slurry tanks are covered to gather the gas and gas collected from rubber chamber and cleaned before reuse, ive searched and cant find any info ,
think he may be talking about some kind of slurry digester or raving some one of the 2, anyone heard about it. a bit pricy for individual farmer but group supply of surplus slurry with rest sold as bio fertiliser may be a runner as in some areas of Germany and Sweden maybe cant see it operating off covered/sealed slurry tanks with fresh slurry pumped in, as he seemed to suggest

I'm involved AD plants, a lot of our work is in Northern Ireland. I've come across a different company up there that uses just slurry to produce gas and run an engine. This in turn generates electricity.
Some bigger plants in England use direct injection of t h e gas into the gas pipeline

Timmaay

C0N0R wrote: »

Is that 16 figure including the slats?? Trying to figure out what size of tank to put in and going looking about prices this week, was thinking 16ft slats three/four bay double.

Yep, all slats over 14ft are tractor spec also I was told. Yourman had the prices done out for similar storage for both a 14ft slat and 16ft and the 14ft was afew k cheaper, even despite the increased length of the tank.

just do it wrote: »

Department spec? If not any idea how much extra that spec would cost?

I didn't ask as I wont be getting a grant for it, but good question to ask the next time I see him.

C0N0R

Timmaay wrote: »

Yep, all slats over 14ft are tractor spec also I was told. Yourman had the prices done out for similar storage for both a 14ft slat and 16ft and the 14ft was afew k cheaper, even despite the increased length of the tank.



I didn't ask as I wont be getting a grant for it, but good question to ask the next time I see him.

Yea going pricing for 13ft slat upwards, see what happens. Don't need a certain storage amount, just need a bit extra storage at the moment so want to build a tank that will have a shed put on it at some stage in the future. Is that all earthworks done to or is that extra?

sandydan

darragh_haven wrote: »

I'm involved AD plants, a lot of our work is in Northern Ireland. I've come across a different company up there that uses just slurry to produce gas and run an engine. This in turn generates electricity.
Some bigger plants in England use direct injection of t h e gas into the gas pipeline

maybe thats what he meant,but unless its some trial project i still cant see bord gais involvement at farm level ,would be good way of disposal of excess slurry from large pig and dairy units where zero grazing and silage on leased land is main source of feed.

darragh_haven

sandydan wrote: »

maybe thats what he meant,but unless its some trial project i still cant see bord gais involvement at farm level ,would be good way of disposal of excess slurry from large pig and dairy units where zero grazing and silage on leased land is main source of feed.

Thats why it's big in North Ireland. A lot of lads have big herds of cows and have them inside full time. And plenty of zero grazers And vast qquantities of slurry

sandydan

darragh_haven wrote: »

Thats why it's big in North Ireland. A lot of lads have big herds of cows and have them inside full time. And plenty of zero grazers And vast qquantities of slurry

a fella near Clon wanted to build one of those digesters a few years ago , you may remember it,pity he decided to opt for septic tanks from around CTB as source, he ran into wholesale objections. if he built now and opted for cattle and pig slurry as source hed probably succeed but mindsets are slow changing ,almost always need a new generation to see the options