Salaries for new staff against existing staff.

Redfox_1

Hi, i'm wondering is there anybody out there or who could point me in the right direction about new staff salaries been a hell of a lot more than existing more qualified and experienced staff? We have the same job title, do the same hours, these lads have less experience etc due to this been a very new business in technology, so its all new to them. Would really appreciate some help on this.

SCOOP 64

Maybe its hard to get good qualified staff in your particular department?

Grandpa Hassan

It happens all the time. Supply v demand, especially in skilled / professional roles, dictates the salary, and that supply / demand dynamic may have changed since you were hired. I have recently had someone recruited into my team on a higher salary than me, despite the fact the he reports into me. Having someone reporting into you, and doing all the objective setting, appraisals etc, on a higher salary is a little weird at first!

Best thing you can do (and something I intend to do) is to try to use that as leverage at annual review time to get yourself a raise.

Redfox_1

Yeah it would be hard because its a new business venture, these guys there hiring have the same qualifications but do not possess the experience of working on these new systems, i taught maybe there might be some legal route that can be taken? Like why have a new guy on more with less experience, just doesn't add up, only thing that adds up is he's on 10k more and i've to train him in as well.

Redfox_1

No it's quite easy to hire people.

SCOOP 64

How do you know its 10k more ,are wages discussed openly.

Redfox_1

Its just a known fact, it doesn't bother some people to talk about their earnings and it has been admitted by management that yes the new hires are on a lot more.

Grandpa Hassan

You should look at it as an opportunity. You can argue for a raise at the appropriate time. You may have a stronger justification than if these new starters hadn't arrived on a higher salary. That's the way I look at it....that having a subordinate on a higher salary than me can only be good for me

The problem is that it is our nature to always look at these things relatively, and compare ourselves to others

SCOOP 64

Management admiting to you that new staff are on 10k more, something wrong there, my next question would have been " why am i not on 10k more".
you would have had your answer.

The_Morrigan

OP there really is nothing you can do. The salaries of staff are a personal thing and often negotiated during the interview process.
You will often have two identical roles being performed by two equally experienced and qualified people, but one may have the confidence to ask for more money.

It is bad form of the management discussing salary details of other staff though. I would be furious if my details were disclosed.

Redfox_1

Yeah i'l say to my manager, i'v more and greater qualifications, i'v to train these idiots and yet they earn much more than me, life sucks, think its time to move on. And i'm not the only person in the corp, there's 10 more people who have the same problem i have. Lets be honest, do management think these ten guys on less money are going to be fully motivated, eh there deluded if they think that.

Jim2007

Redfox_1 wrote: »

Yeah it would be hard because its a new business venture, these guys there hiring have the same qualifications but do not possess the experience of working on these new systems, i taught maybe there might be some legal route that can be taken? Like why have a new guy on more with less experience, just doesn't add up, only thing that adds up is he's on 10k more and i've to train him in as well.

Well if you were to seek a new position would you be able to land one on the higher salary? It would appear that your employer think's not, otherwise they would have at least keep you all on at the same level...

Redfox_1

Jim2007, your reading the post's. Read them first.

bucketybuck

I find it very strange that the OP mentioned a legal angle, as if the company had done something wrong. This might seem crazy, but just because the company hired somebody on a higher wage than you does not mean that they are going to immediately bring you into their office and say "Well, this guy earns X so I guess we have to offer you X as well". Come into the real world, why the hell would they?

There are very few companies that are going to go to you and offer to increase your salary. If you want parity you will have to go to them, and in this case you would actually seem to have an enviable bargaining position.

Sounds like one of those good problems, so do something about it.

Grandpa Hassan

bucketybuck wrote: »

Sounds like one of those good problems, so do something about it.

I'd agree with this. It's an opportunity for you to increase your salary in your annual review that you wouldn't have if these new guys hadn't come

From the perspective of your own salary it's a positive thing

Redfox_1

bucketybuck wrote: »

I find it very strange that the OP mentioned a legal angle, as if the company had done something wrong. This might seem crazy, but just because the company hired somebody on a higher wage than you does not mean that they are going to immediately bring you into their office and say "Well, this guy earns X so I guess we have to offer you X as well". Come into the real world, why the hell would they?

There are very few companies that are going to go to you and offer to increase your salary. If you want parity you will have to go to them, and in this case you would actually seem to have an enviable bargaining position.

Sounds like one of those good problems, so do something about it.

Yeah we have gone to them, they agreed to sort it out but now a few months down the line they haven't done a thing, they only agreed because some guys left due to this situation. Its just annoying, i was talking to a lad today and he said we could take the legal route as this was illegal that they where doing.

Grandpa Hassan

I don't see where the illegality is

cfuserkildare

This sounds just like what we are going through.

Bunch of us were TUPE'd over from 1 company to another, then the new company starts changing contracts from 1 employee to another.

From what we have been able to discerne, it is easier for the company to be fined for the issue than it is to change procedure and policy.

Sad situation really, just proves the "Little America" image that Ireland has.

Shamefull.

Jim2007

Redfox_1 wrote: »

Jim2007, your reading the post's. Read them first.

I have read the posts and it still remains: either your management does not believe you can command the extra cash on the market and will stay or they are not too concerned if you stay or go. It is hard to imagine that they randomly decided to put a 10K gap between you without giving it a bit of thought...

Chattastrophe!

Redfox_1 wrote: »

Yeah we have gone to them, they agreed to sort it out but now a few months down the line they haven't done a thing, they only agreed because some guys left due to this situation. Its just annoying, i was talking to a lad today and he said we could take the legal route as this was illegal that they where doing.

Firstly, I wouldn't agree with approaching management as a group on this - you should negotiate your own salary with them on your own terms.

Secondly, there's nothing illegal about what they're doing ... so definitely don't mention that to them, you'll just make yourself look bad!

No point getting annoyed about this until you've actually sat down one-to-one and attempted to negotiate a raise for yourself. Make sure you have plenty of justification showing how your individual work and results merit a raise - not just 'I want more because he's getting more!'

And move away from thinking of it as 'us and them', old staff versus new staff ... don't worry about your colleagues, you should be thinking about your own position and salary, let them argue separately for theirs, if that's what they choose to do.

JustAThought

Is it all the new staff, or just some/ind of them??? I'd be very wary before I knew it was true - it seems SO unlikely.

It's not to anybody's advantage to do this / they gain more expensive staff while alienating their systems experienced & trained existing staff??? Smells s bit fishy. Has someone maybe seen a payslip from a new colleague who has not worked all year so has a huge tax allowance left? Or who is getting the extra tax relief for long term unemployed? Maybe s/he has mega qualifications or rare skill . I'd be asking a lot more questions before I stood in line to get egg on my face at a managers office.

Mrs OBumble

Redfox_1 wrote: »

Yeah we have gone to them, they agreed to sort it out but now a few months down the line they haven't done a thing.

Labour economics is all about supply and demand.

You haven't left, so obviously you are happy to keep working at your existing rate of pay.

Honey-ec

Redfox_1 wrote: »

i was talking to a lad today and he said we could take the legal route as this was illegal that they where doing.

He hasn't a clue what he's talking about. It's perfectly legal for them to hire new staff on higher salaries than existing.

If you go into them to demand parity exhibiting the attitude you're displaying here, you'll be laughed out of the place. You need to give them concrete reasons why you deserve a raise, and unfortunately "Because the new guys earn more" is not one of them.