Fair price for a BMW 320D Efficient Dynamics?

John_Mc

Hi,

I am considering buying a car off my Dad but we are unsure what the market value would be because I can't find many matches for the year on DoneDeal and CarZone.

How much do you think a white 2011 BMW 320D Efficient Dynamics with 30k miles on it and a perfect service history?

It's a baseline model with alloys and no cruise control, bluetooth or iphone connection.

Also, does anyone know how much it would cost to retrofit the bluetooth and iphone connection on it?

Thanks very much,
John

Idbatterim

there was a guy advertising very similar below about two months ago asking

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/320d-Eff/201323215421899/advert?channel=CARS

maybe 20k, do you actually need a diesel?

John_Mc

Idbatterim wrote: »

there was a guy advertising very similar below about two months ago asking

http://www.carzone.ie/search/BMW/3-Series/320d-Eff/201323215421899/advert?channel=CARS

maybe 20k, do you actually need a diesel?

I drive about 300km a week at the moment so yeah I'd prefer a diesel. My dads car is also diesel so need to compare like with like to get an idea of price.

veetwin

Yeah I was thinking about €22k but even that seems bit much for a such a poorly specced car. Shame because if it was properly equipped it would be in a different class.

John_Mc

Yeah I think so too and that's why I'm considering retrofitting the bluetooth and audio. Any ideas on how much that would cost?

Idbatterim

no idea mate, retrofitting a mfsw would be too expensive though and is definitely something id do... in relation to the bluetooth and audio, set up an account and ask at the below link...

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

John_Mc

Idbatterim wrote: »

no idea mate, retrofitting a mfsw would be too expensive though and is definitely something id do... in relation to the bluetooth and audio, set up an account and ask at the below link...

http://www.bmw-driver.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=83

The steering wheel on his car is multi-functional so that's a good thing.

Will ask on there, thanks very much.

Idbatterim

one other way to find out what the market reckons its worth is to throw it up on donedeal or carzone.ie, both cost a fiver...

bazz26

Here is a similar one asking €21,500 from a dealer with a little more miles on it:

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/BMW/3-Series/320d-Efficient/37613788268076810/

A cash buyer might buy that car for just over €20k and they will still get a dealer warranty. If your father was selling his privately then he would have to price it well below what someone could buy a similar car from a dealer, to make it more appealing. I think in a private sale it would fetch around €19k imo. You can clear one from the UK for similar money.

Regarding retro fitting Bluetooth, well to retro fit the factory Bluetooth module from BMW will cost big bucks, better off with an aftermarket kit from the likes of Parrot. Also check inside the front arm rest, that is where the aux port is normally located. I think it was pretty much standard fit on all E90s by 2011.

Leonard Hofstadter

John_Mc wrote: »

Hi,

I am considering buying a car off my Dad but we are unsure what the market value would be because I can't find many matches for the year on DoneDeal and CarZone.

How much do you think a white 2011 BMW 320D Efficient Dynamics with 30k miles on it and a perfect service history?

It's a baseline model with alloys and no cruise control, bluetooth or iphone connection.

Also, does anyone know how much it would cost to retrofit the bluetooth and iphone connection on it?

Thanks very much,
John

320d Efficient Dynamics models were all SE spec. While it isn't overly generous, it does have cruise control and climate control, and so on. Are you sure it's not just a regular 320d ES? The Efficent Dynamics models are in a lower tax bracket than the regular models, but have less power and are slower. I also don't believe that in the real world an Efficient Dynamics model is even 0.1 mpg more economical - the EU test rules are absolutely ridiculous - I recently drove a diesel Passat that supposedly does 66 mpg on average, in the real world the best I got was 50 mpg, and that was mostly motorway and out of town driving.

I regularly drive a 1.8 litre petrol Avensis, and while I can never match its claimed 39 mpg, I can usually get to 35 or 36 without too much effort.

Stallingrad

I assume you know about the timing chain issue with these?

Dr.Rieux

Stallingrad wrote: »

I assume you know about the timing chain issue with these?

Wasn't that fixed by 2011?

Gumbo

John_Mc wrote: »

Yeah I think so too and that's why I'm considering retrofitting the bluetooth and audio. Any ideas on how much that would cost?

Don't retrofit OEM, too expensive to do. Go with something like a Denison unit, which provides Bluetooth and iPod, USB and SD card connections IIRC.

Gumbo

Stallingrad wrote: »

I assume you know about the timing chain issue with these?

Isn't the ED engine the lower powered 163bhp version?

Idbatterim

Isn't the ED engine the lower powered 163bhp version?

I think its the exact same engine, just detuned...

bazz26

Stallingrad wrote: »

I assume you know about the timing chain issue with these?

Apparently it was sorted by 2011 but only time will tell.

kceire wrote: »

Isn't the ED engine the lower powered 163bhp version?

It's just a detuned version of the N47 engine.

Leonard Hofstadter

Idbatterim wrote: »

I think its the exact same engine, just detuned...

And it has some sort of special dual mass flywheel as well, though I haven't heard of any problems with this (then again, there's enough to contend with the timing chain).

dharn

Why do boardsies become obsessed with a particular fault on a car, how many have actually failed, you would think by reading here they were all guaranteed to fail

MuppetCheck

The good old dpf. I bought a low mileage diesel and it failed. I've used one as intended and it failed. A few weeks of town driving and I've noticed a few too many regens when sitting in traffic too, and rougher running as a result in a couple of cars.

Not all will fail, but prolonged use around town will shorten it's life compared to use in better conditions.

I'd rather not take the risk of that bill for what will be minimal savings in fuel around town and enjoy a smoother engine.

John_Mc

Thanks for your replies guys. I'll need to double check with his that it doesn't already have an Aux in port. It definitely doesn't have cruise control though.

I've looked into aftermarket for the bluetooth and the Parrots look like a good option as long as drilling through the dashboard can be avoided!

As for the model type - I'm not looking for an efficient dynamics model as such. He just happens to have one. I am looking for an E90 or similar though. He said he's currently getting around 55 mpg diesel which is fine with me!

So is the general consensus that the Efficient Dynamics model isn't great? Would I be better off looking at a normal E90? Reliability is a big factor for me here.

Thanks once again

Stallingrad

If reliability is a big factor your are looking at the wrong marque, BMW are average at best and have a history of engineering shortcomings that can prove costly for owners out of warranty. I'd be looking at a Honda Accord.

Gumbo

dharn wrote: »

Why do boardsies become obsessed with a particular fault on a car, how many have actually failed, you would think by reading here they were all guaranteed to fail

Talking to a close friend in the main dealer circle, 2-3 in one dealership per week is normal.

dharn

Mmm. Thanks for that, thats not good so it seems to be a real problem then, will bmw cover it as goodwill as they do with other persistent faults

veetwin

kceire wrote: »

Talking to a close friend in the main dealer circle, 2-3 in one dealership per week is normal.

Are BMW covering all the costs or just a proportion or are the owners paying full whack? (Assuming a full BMW service history)

bazz26

veetwin wrote: »

Are BMW covering all the costs or just a proportion or are the owners paying full whack? (Assuming a full BMW service history)

BMW will only offer goodwill on cars up to a certain age and mileage plus they must have a full BMW service history. The goodwill normally only covers the cost of the parts, labour costs will need to be paid by the owner.

Leonard Hofstadter

John_Mc wrote: »

Reliability is a big factor for me here.

If you want maximum reliability, then you're looking at the wrong car. Modern BMWs are far from the most reliable car you can own - the quality has totally gone down the tubes. If you want a nice, reliable car, you're better off looking at something like a Ford Mondeo or a Honda Accord. Even if these cars do go wrong, they will cost a lot less to repair than a BMW.

John_Mc

captainspeed wrote: »

If you want maximum reliability, then you're looking at the wrong car. Modern BMWs are far from the most reliable car you can own - the quality has totally gone down the tubes. If you want a nice, reliable car, you're better off looking at something like a Ford Mondeo or a Honda Accord. Even if these cars do go wrong, they will cost a lot less to repair than a BMW.

Thanks but I currently have a 2002 Focus and am looking to upgrade to a nicer car. I'll never go with Ford again because of the problems I've experienced with my current car.

Is there anything other than an Acord? What about an Audi?

bazz26

What sort of budget do you have?

unkel

John_Mc wrote: »

I drive about 300km a week at the moment so yeah I'd prefer a diesel.

That's less than the average car does in this country. Unless you do nearly no short trip city driving and nearly all open road driving, I'd strongly recommend you buy a petrol engined car

Although they'll be harder to find these days as nearly every car sold (except very small superminis) are diesels now. Cheap motor tax is all people seem to be interested in...

John_Mc

bazz26 wrote: »

What sort of budget do you have?

€20k

unkel wrote: »

That's less than the average car does in this country. Unless you do nearly no short trip city driving and nearly all open road driving, I'd strongly recommend you buy a petrol engined car

Although they'll be harder to find these days as nearly every car sold (except very small superminis) are diesels now. Cheap motor tax is all people seem to be interested in...

Yeah but don't diesel & low tax go hand in hand? Also better to have a diesel from a resale point of view. I search for 320i's there on DoneDeal and there were only 2 matches

alexlyons

John_Mc wrote: »

Yeah but don't diesel & low tax go hand in hand? Also better to have a diesel from a resale point of view. I search for 320i's there on DoneDeal and there were only 2 matches

ye but the point is that people were/are only buying diesels for the low tax, not because they needed a diesel.
It's only better to have a diesel from a resale POV because people want it for the better mpg and lower tax, which aren't the right reasons to buy a diesel.

So everyone wants diesels, which makes them easy to resell. Except I wouldn't want to buy a diesel that has been doing only city driving, they need longer runs or else you start seeing issues that wouldn't otherwise appear.

El Greysers

Heya,

Just had a BMW bluetooth retrofit done your looking at the bones of a grand all in

Recommend the guys in ICE Ranelagh for it though

Re pricing the car, best bet is get your dad to check out trade in value and add €1/2k to the price for a fair deal

Stallingrad

El Greysers wrote: »

Heya,

Just had a BMW bluetooth retrofit done your looking at the bones of a grand all in

Mother of God, that's insane.

El Greysers

Well your looking at around 300 sheckels for a bog standard one without fitting, so it wasnt too much extra to go and get one that actually works through the idrive and the steering wheel.