The Aaron Alexis (Navy Shooter) conspiracy/non comedy thread.

stuar

I decided to start a new thread on this shooting as the other thread is just a piss-take and doesn't deserve a serious post.

Daithi 1 posted a good article that point's to a genuine conspiracy, I'll quote it here and add a little to it, I initially thought nothing too far fetched about this shooting, but now a couple of things don't add up.

Firstly that a heavily armed swat team arrived on the scene and were told to leave before the shooter was caught, secondly he had a history of mental illness, and had a couple of gun incidents with the law and still got a security pass to a "Highly Secure" navy building.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Tactical squad told to stand down at navy yard..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24153252

From the article:
Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.
A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.
"I don't think it's a far stretch to say that some lives may have been saved if we were allowed to intervene," a Capitol Police source familiar with the incident told the BBC.

A former Navy reservist, Alexis was working as a technical contractor for the Navy and had a valid pass and security clearance allowing him entry to the highly secure building in south-east Washington DC.

Multiple sources in the Capitol Police department have told the BBC that its highly trained and heavily armed four-man Containment and Emergency Response Team (Cert) was near the Navy Yard when the initial report of an active shooter came in about 8:20 local time.

The officers, wearing full tactical gear and armed with HK-416 assault weapons, arrived outside Building 197 a few minutes later, an official with knowledge of the incident told the BBC.

According to a Capitol Police source, an officer with the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD), Washington DC's main municipal force, told the Capitol Cert officers they were the only police on the site equipped with long guns and requested their help stopping the gunman.

When the Capitol Police team radioed their superiors, they were told by a watch commander to leave the scene, the BBC was told.

Several Capitol Police sources who spoke to the BBC asked to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal.
Capitol Police Officer Jim Konczos, who leads the officers' union, said the Cert police train for what are known as active shooter situations and are expert marksmen.
"Odds are it might have had a different outcome," he said of Monday's shooting and the decision to order the Cert unit to stand down. "It probably could have been neutralised."

Earlier, Capitol Police spokeswoman Lt Kimberly Schneider said its officers had "offered and provided mutual support and assistance at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday".

"It's a very serious allegation and inference to indicate that we were on scene and could have helped and were told to leave," he said. "It crushes me if that's the case."

Mr Gainer said that while the department's primary responsibility was to protect the Capitol complex, which houses the US Congress, that mission did not allow it to turn a "blind eye" when asked for help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ9CASP_ijw

Navy Yard shooting: Capitol Police told to stand down after arriving at scene
According to a statement from Capitol Police Lt. Kim Schneider, Police Chief Kim Dine has “opened preliminary investigation into the allegations” that a supervisor told a Capitol Police CERT team to stand down and not engage the shooter as an early response to the active shooter situation unfolding at the Navy Yard Monday.


The investigation is a reaction to allegations first reported by the BBC that a heavily armed four-man Capitol Police Containment and Emergency Response Team (CERT) was among the first tactical officers to arrive on the scene.

However, they were reportedly told by a watch commander to stand down and not engage the shooter.

The BBC and several other media outlets report that a heavily-armed Capitol Police squad was one of the first to respond to the Navy Yard at about 8:20 a.m. Monday, just after Aaron Alexis opened fire on the grounds of the base.
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2013/09/navy-yard-shooting-capitol-police-told-to-stand-down-after-arriving-at-scene-94185.html

Navy Was Notified of Shooter's Mental Problems Six Weeks Ago
Navy Police were apparently notified nearly six weeks ago about mental issues with Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis, according to a local police report from Newport, Rhode Island obtained by Fox News.

Fox News said the report dated Aug. 7 provides details of a police response to a call from Alexis, who at the time was staying in a Newport area hotel. According to the report, Alexis told the responding officer that he was being followed, heard three different voices speaking to him, and that he was being kept awake by "some sort of microwave machine."

"Alexis then packed up and went to a hotel on the Navy base where he heard the same voices talking to him through the walls, floor and ceiling," the police report continued.

The problem continued when Alexis moved to the Marriott where the same three individuals kept talking to him "through the ceiling." The report noted that Alexis was afraid someone was trying to hurt him.

According to Fox News, the Navy was notified by Sgt. Frank C. Rosa, who informed them about the police report on Alexis. He was told, according to Fox News, that the Navy would follow up to determine if Alexis was in fact a contractor.

Almost six weeks later on Sept. 16, Alexis entered the Navy Yard in Washington, D.C., where he opened fire, killing 12 people. He was killed a short time later in a shootout with police.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/navy-alexis-mental-health/2013/09/18/id/526423

So a SWAT team arrive at 8:20am, just after he start shooting, they are told to leave by a superior, Aaron Alexis isn't killed for another 40 minutes, in those 40 minutes he kills more people that probably could have been saved if the SWAT team were allowed help.

Then the fact that he was hearing voices and still had security clearance to a secure building after the Navy had been informed, he only came to Washington on August 25th, 17 days AFTER hearing the voices, yet was still given clearance to a secure building on the Navy camp.

In 2004 he shot into the tires of a construction workers car, in 2010 he shot into the ceiling of his apartment, he had been arrested numerous times inbetween, with all the billions being spent on "security", how was this man given security clearance, was it simply another case of "slipping through the net" or was it a psy-op?
How also was he able to take a shotgun into work/secure building with him on the morning of the shooting?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBBX6_pffTk

Aaron Alexis bought shotgun despite gun arrests, mental issues

Washington Navy Yard gunman Aaron Alexis was able to legally purchase the shotgun he used during Monday's deadly shooting rampage despite multiple gun crime arrests and a history of mental health problems.


He had reportedly been hearing voices in his head and had been suffering from paranoia and an unspecified sleep disorder. He was being treated at a Veterans Affairs facility since August, although the Navy did not declare him mentally unfit-- a diagnosis which would have resulted in the revocation of his security clearance.
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/358591

DamagedTrax

this is surprising. the incident did raise any flags with me at all... until now.

maybe incompetence? without more insight into the buildings and people there its hard to connect any dots at all.

also it cant be used as a push on gun laws really since the guy wasnt armed until he assaulted a navy officer (if i've read the story correctly?).

stuar

DamagedTrax wrote: »

this is surprising. the incident did raise any flags with me at all... until now.

maybe incompetence? without more insight into the buildings and people there its hard to connect any dots at all.

also it cant be used as a push on gun laws really since the guy wasnt armed until he assaulted a navy officer (if i've read the story correctly?).

He took his OWN shotgun with him, shot an officer and took his pistol, if you read the story correctly.

DamagedTrax

i see. so another possible gun law push?

stuar

Aaron Alexis given security clearance to Washington Navy Yard despite recent history of mental illness

The U.S. navy is facing searching questions after it emerged that the gunman who killed 12 people in the Washington Navy Yard was given a security clearance despite a recent history of mental illness and arrests for firing guns in anger.
Senior members of Congress demanded answers over the failed vetting of Aaron Alexis and called on the military to explain how the 34-year-old former navy reservist turned civilian contractor was granted a “secret” level clearance.
Police reports also showed that Alexis had spent time in jail for disorderly conduct in 2008 and twice been arrested for shooting a gun in a moment of rage – in one incident sending a bullet through the ceiling of his flat in Texas after a row with a noisy neighbour. “How could a man with that kind of a background end up getting the necessary security clearance for a military contractor to go into this navy yard?” Dick Durbin, a senior Democrat demanded to know on the floor of the Senate.
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/09/17/aaron-alexis-given-security-clearance-to-washington-navy-yard-despite-recent-history-of-mental-illness/

Aaron Alexis’ mother apologizes to Navy Yard victims

By Aug. 25, Alexis had left the state. The 34-year-old arrived in the Washington area, continuing his work as an information technology employee for a defense-related computer company. Again, he spent nights in different hotels. He suffered from serious mental problems, including paranoia and a sleep disorder, and was undergoing treatment from the Department of Veterans Affairs, according to the law enforcement officials.

But Alexis wasn’t stripped of his security clearance, and he kept working.

On Saturday, he visited Sharpshooters Small Arms Range in Lorton, Va., about 18 miles southwest of the nation’s capital. He rented a rifle, bought bullets and took target practice at the 16-lane indoor range, then bought a shotgun and 24 shells, according to the store’s attorney.

Two days later, as the workweek dawned, Alexis entered the sprawling Washington Navy Yard, a 41-acre labyrinth of buildings protected by armed guards and metal detectors where employees must show IDs to get past doors and gates. Authorities believe he drove a rental car there.

He was equipped with his pass for base access — and the shotgun. Within minutes, it would create mayhem.

He stepped inside the massive Building 197, home to some 3,000 employees. He opened fire around 8:15 a.m., raining shotgun blasts down from a fourth-floor overlook and third-floor hallway into a glass-walled cafeteria where employees were eating breakfast.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/18/aaron-alexis-mother-apologizes-navy-yard-victims/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

So Aaron Alexis has a history of shooting guns in anger, hears voices in his head coming from walls, ceilings, floors, the navy police were notified August 7th about his mental state, August 25th he arrives in Washington after getting a new contract with "The Experts" an IT company who rehired him in July 2013, having left his previous job in

Happy Bowl Thai restaurant in Fort Worth, Texas. He then gets "Secret security clearance" to a "Highly Secure Building" where he walks in with his newly bought shotgun to a building protected by armed guards and metal detectors where employees must show IDs to get past doors and gates and shoots an armed guard with his shotgun, steals his pistol, makes it to the fourth floor and shoots down on people in the cafeteria, all possibly on his first day at work there. Moments after he starts shooting at 8:20am a specially trained (for active shooters), heavily armed 4 man team turn up to help out, but were told to leave the scene by a superior. He shoots 12 people dead before being fatally shot after 9:00am.

Alleged Navy Yard Gunman Held Security Clearance

The alleged Navy Yard gunman held a secret security clearance through his employer, The Experts, which had rehired him in July to work on a project at the Navy facility, according to company CEO Thomas Hoshko.
“I don’t know if it was his first day on the job or what but we are trying to figure it out,” Mr. Hoshko said of Aaron Alexis
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/16/alleged-navy-yard-gunman-held-security-clearance/

Timeline: Aaron Alexis’s Jobs, Friends, Arrests

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/17/timeline-aaron-alexiss-jobs-friends-arrests-2001-2013/

This all sounds like a script for a Hollywood movie.

stuar

DamagedTrax wrote: »

i see. so another possible gun law push?

Sorry for not replying earlier, I really don't know, I'm just pointing out a few things I found interesting and strange about this case.

I initially didn't look into it and just assumed there wasn't anything apart from a disgruntled employee that went onto a public Naval center and start shooting, I really only bothered looking into it after Daithi 1 posted the link that the SWAT team were stood down, when they could have ended it fairly quickly and saved lives, then after looking a little deeper his mental state, past behaviour, recklessly firing guns in public with no convictions or charges pressed and how he had a pass for a secure building which also had metal detectors and passes/ID's must be shown to get past doors and gates with a newly bought shotgun, possibly on his first day on the job
I can't believe it's incompetence AGAIN, the Navy yard had it's public areas, but it is also a fully fuctioning military installation with the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command in building 197, the very building he had security clearance for.

Navy Yard building home to Sea Systems Command
WASHINGTON — The shooting Monday at the Navy Yard here took place in Building 197, the headquarters of the Naval Sea Systems Command, an essential component of the country's sea service.
According to the Navy, the Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA) is the largest of the Navy's five system commands. About 3,000 people work in the command headquarters at the Navy Yard.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/16/navy-yard-building-197/2820093/

Police Report about Aaron Alexis hearing voices:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NewportWSJ09172013.pdf

What I find very interesting, is that so soon after this shooting, there was a woman killed in Washington after ramming a barrier, who also claimed to have heard radio waves. Bizarre co-incidence in such a short period ot ime.

''Rep. Michael McCaul, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, told Fox News that investigators believed Carey suffered "serious" mental issues and that President Obama was trying to communicate with her through radio waves.''


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/10/04/connecticut-woman-killed-after-capitol-hill-chase-reportedly-had-mental-health/

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/train-windows-send-ads-directly-to-your-head-20130705-2pfs7.html