Night Of Champions Aftermath thread

A Primal Nut

Dull enough PPV but Ryback twist and Bryan winning saved it. Good to know WWE still have twists up their sleeve

LOTD

I'm happy he has kept the title for more then 5 minutes.

764dak

Armstrong is probably still upset that he used to job to HHH.

A Primal Nut

Strange developments in the main storyline:

Triple H and his allies have been ganging up on Bryan for weeks, then at the ppv he changes his mind all of a sudden and decides to play fair.

He also takes sides against Heyman and Axl
..almost a HHH face turn tonight.

HHH said he wants to see if Orton is good enough. Orton lost so the logical conclusion is that the Orton-HHH alliance is over already. So who can replace him? HHH himself re-entering the title scene maybe.....

That fast count.....

LOTD

It wasn't the best ppv, happy with the bryan/orton finish keeps things fresh. The Ryback/Heyman angle could be interesting. Taught the Usos and The Shield would have made a better tag team match. Ziggler and Ambrose given a bit more time could have been great match. Miz and Fandango's match felt a bit forced on the card. The divas match could have been decent but a lot of the spots felt forced and at times they looked a bit lost, christ Brie could barely take an irish whip for god sake. Kofi and Curtis was decent enough, but that was about it.

LOTD

Angron wrote: »

I'm pretty certain I've seen Natalya do that double sharpshooter before.

She has, she did it to Layla and Michelle McCool and she also done it to Layla(again) and Eve

CSF

Ryback involved in a major storyline? No thanks

Jason Todd

Did the Reddit guy predict a Bryan win?

Moneymaker

I wonder when Cody comes back they might be planning some sort of swerve.

Can't see Bryan holding the title for long with that fast count. Maybe they'll vacate the title or something and have a "6 pack challenge" or some nonsense at Battlegrounds.

SlickRic

the thing is, if HHH overturns the decision tonight, and then fires the ref, then he's actually in the right. he's not being a díck.

very strange.

also, i don't see the point in giving Bryan the title for a day, which is what I assume will happen. it's completely pointless. you're technically paying the public off too early by giving Bryan the strap, but also screwing them because it won't count.

that is one match where, IMO, WWE should have just done the logical thing. just have Orton win with a screwy finish where you know that Bryan was really the better man (i.e. giving him the pin while there's no ref or something), but in the end, the odds were just a little too much. that would've been the right finish. it's just another example of WWE going back to doing surprising finishes for the sake of it, even though it doesn't fit with the logical story.

memo to WWE here...sometimes the logical path of a story is logical for a reason. just pocket the money rather than trying to throw twists in.

rovert

Breath it in while it lasts :P

Battleground in 3 weeks
Hell in the Cell in 2 weeks after that

DM_7

Logic is boring.

gimmick

Split from live thread.

Please start an aftermath thread once the PPV is over

thanks

GTR63

DM-ICE wrote: »

Logic is boring.

Thanks Vince.

rovert wrote: »

Breath it in while it lasts
Battleground in 3 weeks. Hell in the Cell in 2 weeks after that

Still don't get the thinking of taking it off him at SS (beating Cena clean which has long been forgotten) then him winning it back at NoC which will probably get half the viewers.

Hematocyte

OT : Curtis Axel needs to either grow his hair a bit longer or make sure he keeps his face to camera at all times. After the RVD v AVR he did a backstage bit with Heyman and I saw (what I think was?) a big scar running across the back of his head. :eek:

hufpc8w3adnk65

Didnt watch the PPV and going by the threads etc i didn't miss a whole lot... The Bryan thing is funny tho.. We just know they'll strip him of the title tonight but it makes no sence!

SlickRic

DM-ICE wrote: »

Logic is boring.

i assume you're kidding...

DM_7

SlickRic wrote: »

i assume you're kidding...

Not in this case, I found the idea of an Orton win (with help) at NOC boring. The surprising win for Bryan is a lot more interesting and the finish makes Raw interesting.

It's September so it's a good time to have some surprises and unpredictable booking before road to Mania kicks in.

Lord TSC

That was a weird show, but I'm on a high cause I had Bryan at 3/1 to win. Expected the DQ finish, but was pesimistic when they did that in the WHC match instead. Never expected a clean win but thrilled it did happen. I was screaming once the match was over for him to get the **** out of the ring though; did he not learn his lesson after his last win? :P

The HHH booking is baffling though. He was a face last night. There's no two ways about it. He made the Orton vs Bryan match fair with no provocation, he sided against Heyman. There wasn't even shades of grey, he did nothing heelish last night. And as Slick said, he's going to be 100% justified when he and Orton complain about the fast count.

I actually was thrilled to see Ryback come out and get linked with Heyman. It is EXACTLY what Ryback needs. Heyman is a great mouthpiece for him, and Punk will lead him to good to great matches.

SirDelboy18

People talking about the HHH booking being strange - this has been going on for weeks.

He was a face in the Heyman/Punk feud for the past 3 weeks. Then he is this monster heel the rest of the time. It makes absolutely no sense and speaks volumes about HHH's role in the company.

I'm pretty tired of the Bryan angle now personally. They have single-handedly sapped all my enthusiasm for it with every passing week, culminating last night. Inevitably it gets taken off him tonight leading to the rematch at the next PPV.

Poor PPV. Built on 2 matches and neither were anything more than decent.

rovert

Such an odd PPV. Opening with talking. Opening with 3 heels talking for 10-12 minutes which in my mind could only be justified in hindsight for it setting up Heyman being written off for a long time later in the show. Having mostly heel Champions walk in and walk out with their titles. Then the screwy main event finish.

Mr.Saturn

What's everyone's thoughts on the fast-count? It immediately screams 'shenanigans!', but the fact no WWE, storyline-driven outlet is picking up on it has me wondering a small bit; Was it mentioned on the show itself? WWE.com have a write-up that sells it as a straight-up victory.

Dusty Rhodes showing up tonight on RAW is a fine meta-comment if they do go through with a funny turn.

Bounty Hunter

Really surprised that a PPV where Bryan becomes a 2 time WWE champion is one im not best pleased with but there you go.

Ok I get the idea behind the Summerslam main event twist where they got over the new corporate faction by spoiling Bryan's big moment but assuming you are going to let Bryan get back to being WWE champion it only makes sense imo if it's a drawn out chase and ideally he would eventually get the big win at a big PPV like Summerslam itself was like Survivor Series, The Rumble or ideally Wrestlemania.

Having said that and despite the fast count I don't think they will strip him of the title tomorrow (although it is definitely possible) but instead just use the fast count and Orton's rematch clause to set up the WWE Battleground main event because with 2 PPVs in the next 5/6 weeks they will probably want to drag out this program and the easiest way to do that is by having the belt on Bryan going into the next PPV where he will probably drop it back to Randy before their blow off match inside HIAC.

HHH will probably just use the fast count to fire / suspend the Ref to further his authoritarian boss angle ala Cody Rhodes story which no doubt will also be a main focus of Raw.

The only way in retrospect I can make sense of the opening segment (apart from that HHH likes to make long speeches to open shows) Is that maybe Axel will go face (not sure he is up to that tho) as he went against HHH and later Heyman got a new guy that maybe he trusts more than Axel to get the job done. It was very odd though with Kofi not winning which at the time I thought was the point of the impromptu match so maybe it was just the first bit in brackets above plus getting another championship on night of champions.

The tag match and The Divas matches: PTP & Natalya both were pinned/tapped but also are probably the most likely to continue to challenge for the belts unless something new happens.

Rybcak & Heyman makes sense and I now take back my statement that Brock would be back at Battleground to set up a match with Punk inside HIAC as instead I think HIAC might see a rematch of last year where Punk w/Heyman could only beat Ryback thanks to ref Brad Maddox inside HIAC but this time it's Ryback w/Heyman and as the heel (so more likely to cheat...Brock return!).

RVD vs Del Rio: Meh! ok they both generally have decent matches but as others have said if youve seen one RVD match youve seen them all and Del Rio has me thinking Meh before he gets in the ring although sometimes can get me back interested just thanks to the match. Most seemed to predict Ricardo screwing RVD but if that was to happen maybe this PPV was too early but the next one who knows.

Angron

6. I wasn't overly surprised at Ryback being the new Heyman guy, I just hope this means there's less of those pointless backstage bully segments.

I agree with BH's stuff about the long chase, it seemed like it would have made more sense for the storyline. Still, Bryan is champ and I'm not complaining too much about that :pac: I'm annoyed that Del Rio is still champ though, I find him immensely dull, while I actually enjoy seeing RVD.

I'm glad enough that The Shield are still champs, if PTP had won the tag titles straight off, it would have felt like they were getting the titles for the wrong reason to me.

CastorTroy

With the fast count, I think it was planned by HHH. No outside interference but can tell the ref to taint the victory. Did his dad ever get into the Hall of Fame after the last storyline involving Scott Armstrong? But the way as well that Scott came back into the match, with the commentators pointing it out and without both refs arguing about something implies Scott's involved in something.
Though why HHH would want a fast count in favour of Bryan and not Orton is a strange one. Unless it's to show Orton who's boss.
I don't think Bryan will be stripped of the title but Orton will get another match that doesn't count as his rematch. Only way I see it going since if Bryan isn't stripped of the title then Orton is entitled to a rematch anyway.

For the divas match, I'm glad JBL pointed out clearly that Brie and Naomi's shoulders were down, though Cole tried to explain it as both having shoulders down so not counting. And why not just fall back on AJ. I said it about Kaitlyn and now Natalya. Maybe some day they will.
Oh and Naomi had a very bouncy entrance in her ring gear. Big contrast to Brie then.

Didn't think Ryback would help Heyman. Expected someone but not him. Thought he injured himself with the table. And was thinking when he was carrying Heyman to the back that I think Big E gets the better deal.

All in all, was just an okay PPV with some very strange decisions. Like with all the build up involving Cody and Big Show and neither of those storylines found their way into the main event.

rovert

Referee Scott Armstrong is acknowledging the grief he is getting on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/WWEArmstrong/status/379618300831207424

Newly crowned WWE Champion Daniel Bryan discusses his big win at Night of Champions
http://www.wwe.com/videos/daniel-bryan-talks-about-how-it-feels-to-be-wwe-champion-again-wwecom-exclusive-26148751

HE IS SO HAPPY

JP Liz V1

Wow didn't think Daniel Bryan was getting the WWE title back this soon

CastorTroy

Did anyone else find the voting for greatest champions strange? In some cases the answers were as if voted by people who only started watching wrestling recently while the Sting vote seemed to be something the internet would do just to see what would happen

Lord TSC

CastorTroy wrote: »

Did anyone else find the voting for greatest champions strange? In some cases the answers were as if voted by people who only started watching wrestling recently while the Sting vote seemed to be something the internet would do just to see what would happen

Forget the voting (though Booker T? Really). Who the hell chose the line ups? No Rock for WWE or World Champion?

A Primal Nut

I think one of the reasons the show was disappointing was because Bryan's win was such an anti-climax. People didn't just want to see him win the title, they wanted him to also get one over Triple H. I was a big fan of Triple H's character as a heel over the last few weeks, almost playing upto his real life reputation but now I'm worried that his ego may not allow his character to be humiliated which is what this storyline needs. It's part of WWE's history that the heel eventually gets owned. Vince for example had no problem humiliating himself in feuds with Austin, Trump, etc and it made for some great moments.

I'm afraid Triple H doesn't have it in him to lose a feud, even when he's a heel. People wanted to see Bryan get one over Triple H by winning the title. But last night it seemed like he won it with Triple H's approval - the fast count, Triple H's warning to Orton and suddenly banning other wrestlers from interfering. That's the last thing people wanted to see.

I'm expecting Triple H to come out tonight proud as ever that his genius plan worked once again (whatever that plan is).

J. Marston

rovert wrote: »

Battleground in 3 weeks
Hell in the Cell in 2 weeks after that

Two weeks between PPV's? Has that ever happened before?

GTR63

J. Marston wrote: »

Two weeks between PPV's? Has that ever happened before?

Nearly sure it happened with a Survivor Series a few years back.

cena

Is it worth watching?

jaykhunter

Got to see the PPV. Tons of filler (Triple H was all over the show, if not physically then the commentators talking about him!), but I was really shocked by Bryan winning clean, did not see that coming. A thorougly skippable show, I wouldn't bother, there's another in 3 weeks.

rovert

People in American contacted their cable company in America and got refunded due to the finish of the main event according to PWInsider.

Gas way to send a message. Any other combat sports genre they probably wouldn't take it however we just take screwy finishes.

CastorTroy

So they got refunded because they didn't like the ending of a scripted show? Wow! Imagine if HBO refunded all their customers who didn't like how The Sopranos ended.

rovert

CastorTroy wrote: »

So they got refunded because they didn't like the ending of a scripted show? Wow! Imagine if HBO refunded all their customers who didn't like how The Sopranos ended.

Equally I would imagine HBO in it's history have refunded boxing matches.


Ah the netherworld of Sports Entertainment. :P

A Primal Nut

rovert wrote: »

People in American contacted their cable company in America and got refunded due to the finish of the main event according to PWInsider.

Gas way to send a message. Any other combat sports genre they probably wouldn't take it however we just take screwy finishes.

Why, because of the quick count? But WWE PPVs often finish with screwy finishes.

rovert

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Why, because of the quick count? But WWE PPVs often finish with screwy finishes.

An Elite member wrote me to tell me that he called Cox Cable and asked for a refund due to the finish of the Night Of Champions PPV being overturned. He said that Cox eventually gave it to him and the representative told him that other people had asked for a refund for the same reason.

Cox is my cable company as well so I called my representative and was told that indeed other people have already called and gotten refunds, feeling that by invalidating the finish of the show that they paid for, they deserved it. This could become a slippery slope for wrestling companies.

http://pwinsider.com/article/80359/fans-getting-ppv-refunds-due-to-the-finish-at-night-of-champions.html?p=1

It being a mediocre to bad show didn't help things I imagine. PWInsider has railed pretty hard at WWE ever since Sunday. By no means ran by marks but ethos of PWInsider is "for fans by fans" in contrast to a Meltzer who "Observers" and whom people put on a pedestal. They are more mindful of the individual fans in the crowd.

The type of finish it which the babyface wins the belt only to be reversed aka the "Dusty finish" as it is known in the industry, due its repetition is what famously partially lead to Jim Crockett Promotions (JCP) going out of business and selling to Ted Turner who would go on to rebrand JCP as WCW. As eventually fans got pissed off showing up for shows and have their emotions played with over and over again.

rovert

Update:

WWE issued the following statement to PWInsider.com in response to Dave Scherer's post about fans requesting refunds from their cable provider following the Raw angle that negated the main event finish of WWE Night of Champions:
“While certain fans may not have liked the continuing storyline following Night of Champions, we’re certain that the 3-hour pay-per-view event delivered all the entertainment and excitement expected from WWE.”

DM_7

Right, I'm off to ask for a refund for Summerslam 2011, Nash interface never want anywhere and spoiled the finish of Cena v Punk which is what I paid to see. Throw in the pin happened with Cena at the ropes and that never going anywhere either.

CastorTroy

Next thing you know, they'll be refunding for every time someone purchases a PPV to see a match that they end up repeating on either the RAW or Smackdown following it

Mr.Saturn

It's a ****ty precedent spawned from some office clerk on the other side of the phone going 'sure, f**k it' after a customer kicked up enough fuss.

GTR63

DM-ICE wrote: »

Right, I'm off to ask for a refund for Summerslam 2011, Nash interface never want anywhere and spoiled the finish of Cena v Punk which is what I paid to see. Throw in the pin happened with Cena at the ropes and that never going anywhere either.

I HAD to post this.

rovert

The cover art is amusing given the contraversy and transitory nature of Bryan's title win: