2008 Ford Focus 1.6L Tcdi DPF

on_my_oe

We have a 2008 Titanium Ford Focus 1.6L Diesel and 107BHP. It's a UK import with 90,000 miles.

Yesterday the 'engine malfunction' light came on. It was connected up to a friends computer and the message was DPF.

We topped up the DPF filter liquid about 10mths ago.

Looking online, it looks as though parts will cost around €400. To remove it, it's about €500 (non Ford dealer). To get Ford to do the replacement its around €1200.

Is the DPF essential? What are the potential pitfalls of removing it? Has anyone else has this problem? If we do anything ourselves we still need to pay around €100 to Ford to get the car remapped.

mullingar

on_my_oe wrote: »

We have a 2008 Titanium Ford Focus 1.6L Diesel and 107BHP. It's a UK import with 90,000 miles.

Yesterday the 'engine malfunction' light came on. It was connected up to a friends computer and the message was DPF.

We topped up the DPF filter liquid about 10mths ago.

Looking online, it looks as though parts will cost around €400. To remove it, it's about €500 (non Ford dealer). To get Ford to do the replacement its around €1200.

Is the DPF essential? What are the potential pitfalls of removing it? Has anyone else has this problem? If we do anything ourselves we still need to pay around €100 to Ford to get the car remapped.

My wife has the same car/engine, but an 06.

The dpf was deleted from the car around 2 years ago, ie the DPF core was removed from the exhaust and the ECU software was amended to suit. The same man (Joe Power) also remapped it to 130hp, a total transformation.

There is no down side, dpf's are not required for the nct.

on_my_oe

mullingar wrote: »

My wife has the same car/engine, but an 06.

The dpf was deleted from the car around 2 years ago, ie the DPF core was removed from the exhaust and the ECU software was amended to suit. The same man (Joe Power) also remapped it to 130hp, a total transformation.

There is no down side, dpf's are not required for the nct.

Did it affect the tax? How is the consumption?

bazz26

on_my_oe wrote: »

Did it affect the tax? How is the consumption?

Removing a DPF has nothing to do with motor tax. Motor tax is determined by the Co2 rating provided by the car manufacturer.

corkgsxr

If anything your mpg will be better. And a much more drivable car

Mc Love

I was talking to a friend about getting the DPF removed and he said that there is some legislation being brought out for cars post 08 that need to have one installed...is there any truth in what he said? Cant find it

bazz26

Never heard of it. Only new diesel cars sold from 2011 were required to have one Currently the NCT don't test it but that could be changed down the road. Currently the NCT test for carbon monoxide (Co) where as a DPF helps reduce carbon dioxide (Co2) emissions.

Martin32

Hi
Had the entire DPF saga with a ford focus 1,6 TDCI . Had it forcedregenerated, then cleaned out with a specialist fluid, followed by top up of reservoir.

Eventually after the 5th limp mode got it taken out by a coby auto in Dublin.Wish I had done it sooner. No issues at all car drives better than ever.

road_high

Daily threads on DPF's here. Reaching epidemic proportions..usual suspect is the PSA 1.6!

mullingar

bazz26 wrote: »

Never heard of it. Only new diesel cars sold from 2011 were required to have one Currently the NCT don't test it but that could be changed down the road. Currently the NCT test for carbon monoxide (Co) where as a DPF helps reduce carbon dioxide (Co2) emissions.

A few mistakes there,

The nct only checks for soot content on diesel emissions and no chemical analysis (unlike petrol) .

A DPF is simply a glorified soot collector system, there is nothing there to perform any chemical change inside it. You might be thinking of a catalytic converter for NOx levels.

Row

road_high wrote: »

Daily threads on DPF's here. Reaching epidemic proportions..usual suspect is the PSA 1.6!

Most of the dpf's i see blocking on these engines are usually on ford or Volvo diesels...... there not cheap to replace these as the Dpf & Cat are all one piece...:rolleyes:

The dpf's used Peugeot/Citroen can be split from the Cat which makes them easier to clean or replace when the times comes (usually around 120-130k mls)

Ford/Volvo 1.6 diesel dpf's which are all one piece.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-FOCUS-1-6-TDCi-09-04-03-07-CAT-DPF-/130458937385?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e5ff56829

Peugeot/Citroen 1.6 hdi dpf.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/PEUGEOT-206-1-6-HDi-DV6TED4-ENGINE-04-04-03-07-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-DPF-/130610905932?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e6904434c

I know theres no nct test on particle matter (soot level) at the moment but going by this Rsa doc I think its going to be here in the near future...:eek:

Penalties for breach of these regulations
Under SI 157 of 2009 European communities (Road Vehicles: Entry Into Service) Regulations
2009 and SI 158 of 2009 European Communities (Road Vehicles: Type-Approval) Regulations
2009 a person guilty of an offence under these Regulations is liable:-
a. on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding €5,000 or imprisonment for a term not
exceeding 6 months or both and or €100,000 and or imprisonment for a term of 12
months and
b. on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding €100,000 or imprisonment for a
term not exceeding 12 months or both.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Std%20Leg/Emissions%20regs/Euro%205%20and%20Euro%206%20Emissions%20Reg%20light%20passengercommvehicles.pdf

Mc Love

Row wrote: »

Most of the dpf's i see blocking on these engines are usually on ford or Volvo diesels...... there not cheap to replace these as the Dpf & Cat are all one piece...:rolleyes:

The dpf's used Peugeot/Citroen can be split from the Cat which makes them easier to clean or replace when the times comes (usually around 120-130k mls)

Ford/Volvo 1.6 diesel dpf's which are all one piece.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/FORD-FOCUS-1-6-TDCi-09-04-03-07-CAT-DPF-/130458937385?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e5ff56829

Peugeot/Citroen 1.6 hdi dpf.
http://www.ebay.ie/itm/PEUGEOT-206-1-6-HDi-DV6TED4-ENGINE-04-04-03-07-DIESEL-PARTICULATE-FILTER-DPF-/130610905932?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e6904434c

I know theres no nct test on particle matter (soot level) at the moment but going by this Rsa doc I think its going to be here in the near future...:eek:

Penalties for breach of these regulations
Under SI 157 of 2009 European communities (Road Vehicles: Entry Into Service) Regulations
2009 and SI 158 of 2009 European Communities (Road Vehicles: Type-Approval) Regulations
2009 a person guilty of an offence under these Regulations is liable:-
a. on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding €5,000 or imprisonment for a term not
exceeding 6 months or both and or €100,000 and or imprisonment for a term of 12
months and
b. on conviction on indictment, to a fine not exceeding €100,000 or imprisonment for a
term not exceeding 12 months or both.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Vehicle%20Std%20Leg/Emissions%20regs/Euro%205%20and%20Euro%206%20Emissions%20Reg%20light%20passengercommvehicles.pdf

Am i right or is that legislation only covering emissions and not soot content?

Row

Mc Love wrote: »

Am i right or is that legislation only covering emissions and not soot content?

Going by the extract below particulate matter (soot content) will come under this Legislation.


The technical requirements take effect in two stages, Euro 5 emission limits will come into
effect for new type approvals from 1st September 2009 (and new registrations from 1st January
2011) and Euro 6 emission limits will apply for new type approvals from 1st September 2014
(and new registrations from 1st September 2015). The main effect of Euro 5 is to reduce the
emission of particulate matter from diesel cars from 25mg/km to 5mg/km. This will make the
introduction of particle filters for diesel cars obligatory. Euro 6 limits will mainly reduce the
emissions of nitrogen oxide from diesel cars further, from 180mg/km to 80mg/km.

Not sure how our nct test centres will able to monitor/measure the soot output from various diesels...

Maybe they will check the differential pressure...soot content...average distance between regenerations via obd....:eek:

This Regulation also sets out requirements for unrestricted access to vehicle repair information,
and in particular to that information relating to on-board diagnostic (OBD) systems and their
interaction with other vehicle systems. OBD systems play an important role in the control of
vehicle emissions.

E.B

my 2009 focus got the warning light on thursday. limped it to a garage, was at the exit for kilcock on the m4. the garage there cleaned it for 220 and its a transformed car after! I have 70k miles on it and the garage reckons the filter was never cleaned!

eric hoone

How would you know if you had a dpf? I've no manual with my 2008 1.6tdci uk import.

Mc Love

Row wrote: »

Going by the extract below particulate matter (soot content) will come under this Legislation.


The technical requirements take effect in two stages, Euro 5 emission limits will come into
effect for new type approvals from 1st September 2009 (and new registrations from 1st January
2011) and Euro 6 emission limits will apply for new type approvals from 1st September 2014
(and new registrations from 1st September 2015). The main effect of Euro 5 is to reduce the
emission of particulate matter from diesel cars from 25mg/km to 5mg/km. This will make the
introduction of particle filters for diesel cars obligatory. Euro 6 limits will mainly reduce the
emissions of nitrogen oxide from diesel cars further, from 180mg/km to 80mg/km.

Not sure how our nct test centres will able to monitor/measure the soot output from various diesels...

Maybe they will check the differential pressure...soot content...average distance between regenerations via obd....:eek:

This Regulation also sets out requirements for unrestricted access to vehicle repair information,
and in particular to that information relating to on-board diagnostic (OBD) systems and their
interaction with other vehicle systems. OBD systems play an important role in the control of
vehicle emissions.

But I am guessing that would be for cars purchased/built after the legislation?

Row

Mc Love wrote: »

But I am guessing that would be for cars purchased/built after the legislation?

Not so sure but i'd say either way particle/particular filters are here stay in the future of diesels...

corkgsxr

Row wrote: »

Not so sure but i'd say either way particle/particular filters are here stay in the future of diesels...

Ment to be only a temporary measure untill something better was developed. But maybe nothing better can be made. Dope of a thing