Vinters once again show how deeply concerned they are about public health

hatrickpatrick

http://www.herald.ie/news/parents-urged-to-bring-teens-to-pub-to-curb-bingeing-29577105.html

VINTNERS want parents to bring their older teenagers to the pub to encourage responsible consumption of alcohol.

The idea has been proposed in Kerry where publicans say that it could help curb binge drinking among 18 and 19-year-olds.

Despite accepting that the campaign could be controversial, the Kerry branch of the Vintners Federation of Ireland said that it is an educational programme.

The Mature Enjoyment of Alcohol in Society (MEAS) advocacy group has supported the proposal "in theory".

Fionnuala Sheehan, chief executive of MEAS, said that the idea was a positive one, but it depended on a number of crucial criteria.

"In theory it seems like a positive initiative. But it depends on publicans fully observing responsible serving practices," Ms Sheehan told the Herald today.

"To work well, it is critical that there are responsible serving practices," she stressed.

Ms Sheehan added that it was also important that pubs carried varied entertainment to appeal to teenagers and their parents.

"It's important that there is a wide range of entertainment so that drinking isn't the only focus," she said. The plan has also been backed by some school principals, including John O'Donovan, of St Joseph's Secondary School, in Ballybunion, Co Kerry.

Mr O'Donovan, a representative for principles of the ASTI teacher union, said that it was "lovely" to bring families together in pubs.

However, he said that it would not address problem drinking among younger teenagers.

Mr O'Donovan raised the issue of children aged between 14 and 18 falling asleep in class due to hangovers.

Publicans in the west of Ireland, especially Cork and Kerry, are planning to introduce the pilot project this Christmas.

The VFI has said that, while it has a conflict of interest, there was a social interest in the plan.

Ger Counihan, chairman of the VFI Kerry, said he accepted the campaign would be controversial.

But he added: "The amount of alcohol being consumed by young people is frightening.

"We have to educate them on how to drink or we will have more trouble down the line."

What a thoroughly public spirited and not at all cynical way to promote their businesses good habits and improve their profits public health, eh?
:rolleyes:

fred funk }{

Are these the same vintners who aggressively opposed the smoking ban coming in?

Tigger

whats a vinter?

MadsL

Tigger wrote: »

whats a vinter?

Like a drug dealer, only legal. :pac:

Tigger

vinter ist kommink

joebloggs32

And don't forget as it is Kerry they can have a few pints and drive home after

Banjo String

The same lads that want to get a levy placed on offie sales, to discourage teens from boozing

These guys are determined to prove that they will stoop to any level.

Lapin

Tigger wrote: »

whats a vinter?

Three quarters of a publican.

Karl Stein

Tigger wrote: »

whats a vinter?

whats?

paulbok

Is there a college for hair brained ideas in Kerry by any chance?
I know they are mad as a box of frogs down there but they've taken it to another level this year.

Specialun

There a great bunch of lads..soooo concerned about our health.like having a second daddy

Karl Stein

Maybe they should have a chaperone system where the gubmint hands out beer vouchers to older more responsible people who insist on volunteering to take younger people to the pub to show them how to drink responsibly?

Wattle

Ah sure good on them they're promoting family togetherness. Families and drink sure that never causes any problems. Not in Ireland anyway.

greenpilot

Wattle wrote: »

Ah sure good on them they're promoting family togetherness. Families and drink sure that never causes any problems. Not in Ireland anyway.

Just back from a holiday around Kerry, the first thing they need to be worried about is their prices. The closer you get to Kerry, the more you feel that you've just been fcuked up the ass when it comes to Food, beer and fuel. Screwing the Yanks for every last dollar they have...

Jimoslimos

I'm more concerned with this;

...The plan has also been backed by some school principals, including John O'Donovan, of St Joseph's Secondary School, in Ballybunion, Co Kerry.

Mr O'Donovan, a representative for principles of the ASTI teacher union, said that it was "lovely" to bring families together in pubs...

:eek:

KwackerJack

Are you teenagers not already in pubs?

Reindeer

They need to make sure children don't have access to drink until 21 years of age. Do not allow them in bars until then. Do not educate them on drink. Force them to go out somewhere with their mates to hide and drink during their rebellious years. That way it will be all good and not anything like the underage drink driving problem they have in the States.

humbert

You can get some measure of how powerful an organisation is by seeing how little shame it has.

MadsL

Reindeer wrote: »

They need to make sure children don't have access to drink until 21 years of age. Do not allow them in bars until then. Do not educate them on drink. Force them to go out somewhere with their mates to hide and drink during their rebellious years. That way it will be all good and not anything like the underage drink driving problem they have in the States.

I hate to admit it, but I think there would be some value in prohibiting under 21 year olds from drinking hard alcohol. Keep em on beer and wine for 3 years.

Likewise, I believe the US should allow 18+ access to beer and wine.

Red Nissan

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What a thoroughly public spirited and not at all cynical way to promote their businesses good habits and improve their profits public health, eh? :rolleyes:

AND from a county that wants special dispensation from drink driving laws too.

Red Nissan

MadsL wrote: »

I hate to admit it, but I think there would be some value in prohibiting under 21 year olds from drinking HARD alcohol. Keep em on beer and wine for 3 years.

Lesson number one: WINE IS A HARD ALCOHOL.

humbert

MadsL wrote: »

I hate to admit it, but I think there would be some value in prohibiting under 21 year olds from drinking hard alcohol. Keep em on beer and wine for 3 years.

Likewise, I believe the US should allow 18+ access to beer and wine.

I think the only way responsible drinking can occur is when drinking is accompanied by eating. Something the vintners stymied.

bluefinger

its Friday the thirteenth not Aprils Fools lads.

Matt_Trakker

It's not a bad idea at all really.
Plenty of Central European countries allow 16 year olds to drink beer/wine in pubs, spirits once they're 18 and they don't have binge drinking problems anything like Ireland.

dobman88

I really love being from Kerry but there must be some "hairbrained ideas" competition down here this year that us normal folk don't know about with all the sh!te the powers that be are coming up with.

I live in Killarney and we don't have a huge problem with 17-20 year olds IMO, the problem is more 14-16. I know the landlords and vintners or "vinters" for the OP are looking out for their profits but they do put on different "theme" nights for the younger crowd in the pubs. There is probably about 4 or 5 pubs that are regular hang out spots for the 17-20 age group (leaving the nightclubs out). Nobody wants to be going out with their parents at that age and the fact is they mostly learn off the older lads that frequent the same pubs. Some people get their own "scare" with alcohol at some stage, I did but that's for a different thread, and tey know then to not completely over do it.

Young people are gonna go out whether their parents want to or not so this exercise is pointless IMO. And your man in the article saying it is "lovely" to bring families to the pub, shades of Fr. Ted with the lovely girls competition.