ESB putting 3 phase power through my land.

Fat Cant

ESB are putting up a line with a lot of poles through my land . They don't want to give compensating for it . What is the normal run of things with this kind of scenario ?

bob charles

Fat Cant wrote: »

ESB are putting up a line with a lot of poles through my land . They don't want to give compensating for it . What is the normal run of things with this kind of scenario ?

I would look for a 3 phase connection for free even if you dont need it. As far as I know 3 phase requires putting in a extra pole between each pole of a single phase line. Surely your entitled to rent compo for the extra pole. presume there is a single phase line there already

jack77

thread on here about something like this before http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=67773880 and also http://www.esb.ie/esbnetworks/en/domestic-customers/farming/mast_interference_payments.jsp, i know this isn't really what you were looking for but it might help

epfff

Fat Cant wrote: »

ESB are putting up a line with a lot of poles through my land . They don't want to give compensating for it . What is the normal run of things with this kind of scenario ?

Pricks put 3 phase thew out farm few yrs back
met guy walked poles agreed5 poles straight line no stays all grand
went up to it week later 7 poles two with stays the way they could run straight along neighbours wall instead of through field like i was told
spend 2weeks on hold and being passed from Billy to Jack before I gave up
still have guys name so just waiting to get chance to make life awkward for esb when they want to enter again
you can't really stop them so just don't get caught like me

Sharpshooter82

epfff wrote: »

Pricks put 3 phase thew out farm few yrs back
met guy walked poles agreed5 poles straight line no stays all grand
went up to it week later 7 poles two with stays the way they could run straight along neighbours wall instead of through field like i was told
spend 2weeks on hold and being passed from Billy to Jack before I gave up
still have guys name so just waiting to get chance to make life awkward for esb when they want to enter again
you can't really stop them so just don't get caught like me

you d nearly want to be around when the work is being done

bob charles

epfff wrote: »

Pricks put 3 phase thew out farm few yrs back
met guy walked poles agreed5 poles straight line no stays all grand
went up to it week later 7 poles two with stays the way they could run straight along neighbours wall instead of through field like i was told
spend 2weeks on hold and being passed from Billy to Jack before I gave up
still have guys name so just waiting to get chance to make life awkward for esb when they want to enter again
you can't really stop them so just don't get caught like me

those stays break very easily if they are put in the wrong place without consent , happened here:)

Sharpshooter82

bob charles wrote: »

those stays break very easily if they are put in the wrong place without consent , happened here:)

The wind was it :rolleyes:

Fat Cant

I told the man that works for ESB that I was thinking of building a house in the near future and the line mite be in my way and he said if that's the case they would be able to move the line if it gets in the way . Id say that they would in there bollox move the line when they get it up.

Sharpshooter82

Fat Cant wrote: »

I told the man that works for ESB that I was thinking of building a house in the near future and the line mite be in my way and he said if that's the case they would be able to move the line if it gets in the way . Id say that they would in there bollox move the line when they get it up.

oh they would move it alright but you would get a nice bill i reckon

delaval

No compo for 3 phase.

I had an ordinary pole in my collecting yard (don't ask). They promised to move it. No sign and guess what it rotted at the base. Poor quality I recon!!!

lakill Farm

delaval wrote: »

No compo for 3 phase.

I had an ordinary pole in my collecting yard (don't ask). They promised to move it. No sign and guess what it rotted at the base. Poor quality I recon!!!

your lucky it didn't fall on a shed

Figerty

bob charles wrote: »

those stays break very easily if they are put in the wrong place without consent , happened here:)

How resistant are they to a drop battery acid??? Just a technical question...

bob charles

Figerty wrote: »

How resistant are they to a drop battery acid??? Just a technical question...

Bit technical for me, but I can confirm that they are not resistant to a hack saw blade

towzer2010

Fat Cant wrote: »

I told the man that works for ESB that I was thinking of building a house in the near future and the line mite be in my way and he said if that's the case they would be able to move the line if it gets in the way . Id say that they would in there bollox move the line when they get it up.

Bullsh1t that. They only want to get it up. Ask for it in writing and see what they say. I was told the same thing but once its in they wont move it for you without €€€€.

Damo810

bob charles wrote: »

Bit technical for me, but I can confirm that they are not resistant to a hack saw blade

Seconded. We had an ordinary one left in a field, 8 years it was left there, they were told to shift it, in the end we did, funnily enough it fit snugly into the 8X5 trailer

hugo29

Fat Cant wrote: »

I told the man that works for ESB that I was thinking of building a house in the near future and the line mite be in my way and he said if that's the case they would be able to move the line if it gets in the way . Id say that they would in there bollox move the line when they get it up.

actually they are obliged to move it if it traverses your site, but as far as i know this is only for single phase, they dont have a choice, all they do is divert it around the site, this means more poles then,

if its 3 phase agree a route now that misses your proposed house, there is a restriction zone that you have to be away from 3 phase lines so be careful with location in terms of ur future plans

reilig

Fat Cant wrote: »

I told the man that works for ESB that I was thinking of building a house in the near future and the line mite be in my way and he said if that's the case they would be able to move the line if it gets in the way . Id say that they would in there bollox move the line when they get it up.

No charge to move the line if it is n the way of the house. Once you pay your ESB connection cost for the new house, moving any line that might be in the way is included in this connection cost!

hugo29

reilig wrote: »

No charge to move the line if it is n the way of the house. Once you pay your ESB connection cost for the new house, moving any line that might be in the way is included in this connection cost!

yes reilig but i think that only applies to single phase lines, anything else is a different ball game

reilig

hugo29 wrote: »

yes reilig but i think that only applies to single phase lines, anything else is a different ball game

3 phase line over my house was moved as part of the connection fee. That was in 2008. Could have changed since, but i haven't seen anything about it.

garroff

Reilig is correct.
Single phase or 3 Phase LT or 10/20kv will be shifted FOC if it "impedes the development" of a new house. There must, of course, be an alternate route.
Different rules apply to 38kv/110kv etc.
Surprises me that a farmer would object to ESB Netrworks...not a private company....who have done so much to improve conditions for rural dwellers.

hugo29

garroff wrote: »

Reilig is correct.
Single phase or 3 Phase LT or 10/20kv will be shifted FOC if it "impedes the development" of a new house. There must, of course, be an alternate route.
Different rules apply to 38kv/110kv etc.
Surprises me that a farmer would object to ESB Netrworks...not a private company....who have done so much to improve conditions for rural dwellers.

thanks for that, what size lines do the metal pylons carry

garroff

Masts/towers are MOSTLY used on 38kv/110/220 etc.(Timber poles carry most 38/110kv lines but metal masts are used if required...angels/height etc)
Metal is rarely used at LT/MV.
If you chat to the engineering officer who is marking out the 10kv line he/she will try to accommodate the land owner as best he/she can.

reilig

garroff wrote: »

Surprises me that a farmer would object to ESB Netrworks...not a private company....who have done so much to improve conditions for rural dwellers.

I believe that it is severly underestimated the disruption that poles cause to farmers - especially in silage ground or tillage ground where modern machinery is used. Some of my experience with the ESB has been hostile. I tried to negotiate with them about the location of poles, I tried to negotiate with them about the time of year that they chose to replace poles. In both instances I was laughed at! Farmers respect what electricity has done for rural dwellers, but ESB workers don't always respect farmers - IMOE

hugo29

garroff wrote: »

Masts/towers are MOSTLY used on 38kv/110/220 etc.(Timber poles carry most 38/110kv lines but metal masts are used if required...angels/height etc)
Metal is rarely used at LT/MV.
If you chat to the engineering officer who is marking out the 10kv line he/she will try to accommodate the land owner as best he/she can.

thank you that explains it, is there a restriction around 38/110kv lines and also a restriction around the base of metal masts

just on another point you mentioned, who decides if an alternative route is available

garroff

Hugo
what do you mean by restriction?

hugo29

garroff wrote: »

Hugo
what do you mean by restriction?

came across a development once where we could not build within 25m of metal pylon

garroff

you are correct.
Restriction can apply when building under/near ESB lines.

As the engineering officer knows the clearances required and the heights of the lines the he/she is the person who has to agree the alternate route. There is an economic factor to be taken into account when deciding the alternate route.

I have a 3 phase 20Kv trafo and line in my garden...I don't like it but these poles and transformers supply me and my neighbors with our electricity.
Last year a contractors came in and cut some branches of my oak tree because there was not enough clearance from the line. I hated this!!. But it had to be done. Its the price I pay for my electricity supply
If you think ESB is bad....wait till the company is sold off....then see the complaints!!!!!.

lakill Farm

garroff wrote: »

you are correct.
Restriction can apply when building under/near ESB lines.

As the engineering officer knows the clearances required and the heights of the lines the he/she is the person who has to agree the alternate route. There is an economic factor to be taken into account when deciding the alternate route.

I have a 3 phase 20Kv trafo and line in my garden...I don't like it but these poles and transformers supply me and my neighbors with our electricity.
Last year a contractors came in and cut some branches of my oak tree because there was not enough clearance from the line. I hated this!!. But it had to be done. Its the price I pay for my electricity supply
If you think ESB is bad....wait till the company is sold off....then see the complaints!!!!!.

I think its all down to attitude of ESB and farmers/business.

For to long ESB and eircom thought they were GOD. I know of 2 seperate examples in mullingar. 1 it took the ESB 18 months to put 3phase into a company based in the industrial estate. another it took them almost 2 years to put in any connection into a new estate and the company had to hire a diesel generator to have power. - How is that right?

I had dealing with "telsa" in april. 30Ton machine going over the field. OMG them english lads would put ESB to shame on work carried out, professionalism, customer care and actually attitude.

garroff

Yes ESB needs to get its act together as far as customer care is concerned.
New supplies to estates can be slow due to getting rights of way etc. Also did customer give ESB due notice of supply requirements and finally after getting quotation for supply , how long after did customer pay for supply.
Finally...what was delay(time) between customer paying and supply being run to customer.

lakill Farm

garroff wrote: »

Yes ESB needs to get its act together as far as customer care is concerned.
New supplies to estates can be slow due to getting rights of way etc. Also did customer give ESB due notice of supply requirements and finally after getting quotation for supply , how long after did customer pay for supply.
Finally...what was delay(time) between customer paying and supply being run to customer.

the new supply was for a company with 50 sites across the country. It was costing them 1000litres of diesel every 2 days in approx 1999. So im sure they had paid.

The company waiting for 3phase had to "tap" into a neightbours 3 phase and paid there full bill for 18months.

In both cases the connect charge would have been alot cheaper

garroff

ESB Networks is a regulated business and is answerable to the Regulator.
If I was that company owner I would contact the Regulator and let the Regulator decide which side made the cock-up.
If ESB was at fault I would expect them to pay up.

Why not go that route?

garroff

Incidentally , the crew that cut the timber on my land were a private contractor. They made a balls of it and I had to remind them of ESB COP re Timber Cutting

hoseman

Dealt twicw with the esb over the years as regards lines.First one was a supply crossing me to neighbours line had to be so low from overhead power line but yet could be easily be hit by frontloader,esb out ,I dug trench and supplied ducting cable buried.Second instance was a line crossing silage pit ,rang them ,they had it raised up in 3 days,tried to do the same with telephone lines ,gave up after a week with them got some run around plus they wanted €1500 before any work to move one pole.

Zoo4m8

Fat Cant wrote: »

ESB are putting up a line with a lot of poles through my land . They don't want to give compensating for it . What is the normal run of things with this kind of scenario ?

The esb will walk all over you if you let them, doing some work for a man with two lines through his land, when the last line went up the engineer and he drew up where the line would go . He insisted all poles were to be in hedges, a oak tree they wanted down he said was staying up, a double pole near a well had to be set in concrete inside three ft pipe. Compensation of €800 (ridiculous!)was offered to the other men affected, he held out for € 1000 and got it.
You are entitled to pole compo.
Last year the same man had the esb tree cutters pull down a fence and flatten a ditch, he threw the head , put padlocks on his access gates and refused to allow them or the esb in. He got compo for that damage, now if the esb want to do any work on his land, instead of just turning up and driving all over the place they phone him and make an arrangement for access .
There is a code of practice relating to landowners which you should have a copy of, now I'm not sure whether its on the esb site or if the IFA have it but this man swears by it.
The bottom line is you are entitled to be treated with respect, and you are entitled to have your land treated with respect, something that seems to be in short supply with this organisation ..

slippy wicket

My place is on one of the routes for the eirgrid grid link project, no decisions on preferred route will be made until next year but I'm wondering should I be in favour or dead against.

crackcrack30

Several poles, stays ect on my land.....I have never had any good dealings with the ESB.......in fact I find them rather distastefull to deal with.....I now treat them like any other unwanted guests and watch their every move when in and lock the gates when they are outside....

kingdom fan

Esb came into my land 2 years and pit up a few new poles, tore the field apart in winter, put stays into the ground but never connected them to the poles, fairly dangerous with calves running around , I almost drive over one of the stays this year, I've complained 3 times this year and nothing yet from the esb

thehouses

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"ESB Networks is a regulated business and is answerable to the Regulator.
If I was that company owner I would contact the Regulator and let the Regulator decide which side made the cock-up.
If ESB was at fault I would expect them to pay up.

Why not go that route? "
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This sounds good, but in practice the Commission for Energy Regulation (CER) works hand in hand with ESB and will side with them on most occasions. I'd imagine that there are ex ESB employees working for CER and that is definitely a conflict of interests.

larrymiller

Same as! I'm 100% against. Health hazard, eye sore, taking over our fields. Also turning each of the people in the "corridors" against each other by announcing 4 possible routes! This is the eirgrid link btw!

milkprofit

AS Stated before get name of responsible person before work starts in writing
Esb put up poles leveled field around poles picked stones and reseeded
U get what u Except!!!!!!!!!!

Sharpshooter82

kingdom fan wrote: »

Esb came into my land 2 years and pit up a few new poles, tore the field apart in winter, put stays into the ground but never connected them to the poles, fairly dangerous with calves running around , I almost drive over one of the stays this year, I've complained 3 times this year and nothing yet from the esb

If they ain't gonna use the stays could you not try and remove them

thehouses

kingdom fan wrote: »

Esb came into my land 2 years and pit up a few new poles, tore the field apart in winter, put stays into the ground but never connected them to the poles, fairly dangerous with calves running around , I almost drive over one of the stays this year, I've complained 3 times this year and nothing yet from the esb

Their tactic is to ignore your complaint as long as they can in the hopes you will go away. It is widely known as part of their unofficial policy of dealing with complaints.

TheBully

towzer2010 wrote: »

Bullsh1t that. They only want to get it up. Ask for it in writing and see what they say. I was told the same thing but once its in they wont move it for you without €€€€.

Line diversions are free through ESB if you have planning permission for a house! if you lived in GB you would have to pay

TheBully

larrymiller wrote: »

Same as! I'm 100% against. Health hazard, eye sore, taking over our fields. Also turning each of the people in the "corridors" against each other by announcing 4 possible routes! This is the eirgrid link btw!

There is no proof this is a health hazard, These 400kv lines run all over Ireland except for the west with no reports of them being a hazard, in some places in northern Ireland they go through housing estates!
People in mayo are afraid of progress, all this line is doing is connecting us up to the 400kv national grid, The biggest windfarmin Europe is being built at owenenny, Bellacorrick at the minute which will bring hundreds of jobs not to mention the 100km of roadway which is also being built!
Enda Kenny wants to make North mayo the Hub of renewable energy and this wont happen without this power line. Our young are leaving in their droves, mayo has lost its brightest young people through emigration due to lack of jobs, This line will bring Hundreds of jobs through industry , renewables and construction!

Just remember, these lines run all through the country already and nobody is dying!

crackcrack30

p://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23843999

The latest research conducted in a country that is not known for its rights...

cut from the start of the www

larrymiller

The so called experts that Eirgrid refer too when talking about health issues relating to these pylons is the WHO (world health organization) It is a fact that many years ago that they claimed that smoking does not cause cancer. Now, how do we know what the long term implications hold for us?
I would also like to point out the noise off these is the last thing I want to hear in the peaceful countryside.
Could you imagine the drop in value in property and agriculture land, I have recently heard of a house a few miles away that a sale had collapsed because it was in the corridor.
What makes me feel sick is the thoughts of these people coming into my farm knocking ditches to make way, digging up my crops, making the landscape look toxic and who's too know the damage were casing for our future generations. I would like to hear from any farmer that wont mind having land taken off them without there consent. We live in a democracy not a dictator ship. This is my land and eirgrid will be treated as trespassers.
Don't get me wrong I'm not anti progress or someone who says no to everything but there is an alternative, underground may cost more but whats a billion these days towards what were paying bankers.
One thing that entered my mind when writing this letter when you mentioned employment and these jobs are needed etc. These power lines are coming from Great Island power station Co.Wexford. When this major construction began (which i think came when it got taken over by another company) pictures appeared in a local news paper of locals protesting because there not getting any construction jobs, the reason being a foreign company is building it. How do we know Eirgrid wont do the same?

sorry for rambling on,
grumpy farmer

TheBully

larrymiller wrote: »

What makes me feel sick is the thoughts of these people coming into my farm knocking ditches to make way, digging up my crops, making the landscape look toxic and who's too know the damage were casing for our future generations. I would like to hear from any farmer that wont mind having land taken off them without there consent. We live in a democracy not a dictator ship. This is my land and eirgrid will be treated as trespassers.

Don't get me wrong I'm not anti progress or someone who says no to everything but there is an alternative, underground may cost more but whats a billion these days towards what were paying bankers.

Underground will still need a corridor, and will still have to knock your ditch, They are not gonna bury the cables around your crops!

larrymiller

That's fair enough at least all thats a once off! It won't be a permanent piece of my farm that's been taken off me without my consent!

case885

bob charles wrote: »

I would look for a 3 phase connection for free even if you dont need it. As far as I know 3 phase requires putting in a extra pole between each pole of a single phase line. Surely your entitled to rent compo for the extra pole. presume there is a single phase line there already

Seems like a lot of work for the extra line? Would it be that heavy?

TheBully

case885 wrote: »

Seems like a lot of work for the extra line? Would it be that heavy?

There is no need for an extra pole, all that is required is a wider crossarm on each pole to stop clashing spans

case885

TheBully wrote: »

There is no need for an extra pole, all that is required is a wider crossarm on each pole to stop clashing spans

Ok say if you were to uprgrade to 3 phrase from single and all that had to be done was to add the 3rd line along 4 poles, would you know roughly what it would cost connection included?