Kansas City Chiefs Thread

cathalio11

Not too many Chiefs fans here but hopefully a few stumble across this thread.

Our team is too talented to finish as miserably as last season and with a winning start at Jacksonville, we are set up nicely to form an outsider challenge for the play-offs.

Thoughts?

cathalio11

3-0 now.

Delighted. Looking good for a play-off place this season but very early yet.

Solid and patient team.

adrian522

I'm keeping an eye on the Chiefs this year with Alex Smith at the helm. Doing very well so far, question is why they were so bad last season.

Well and all as they are doing Denver will probably take that division so they would need to look at a wildcard to get in the playoffs I think!

davyjose

This is the Chiefs we should've seen last year. Very impressive win last night. Will be a tight one between yourselves and San Diego for 2nd place for the division, but a wild card will be awaiting whoever gets it.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

This is the Chiefs we should've seen last year. Very impressive win last night. Will be a tight one between yourselves and San Diego for 2nd place for the division, but a wild card will be awaiting whoever gets it.

I think the Chiefs will win the division.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

I think the Chiefs will win the division.

Eagle eye, this Broncos team is special. I'd be surprised if they went worse than 13-3. There's no way the chiefs are winning the division.

Paully D

adrian522 wrote: »

I'm keeping an eye on the Chiefs this year with Alex Smith at the helm. Doing very well so far, question is why they were so bad last season.

Well and all as they are doing Denver will probably take that division so they would need to look at a wildcard to get in the playoffs I think!

Coaching.

eagle eye

davyjose wrote: »

Eagle eye, this Broncos team is special. I'd be surprised if they went worse than 13-3. There's no way the chiefs are winning the division.

Look you have goggles on when it comes to Peyton Manning, they just had a huge loss on their offensive line. This Chiefs team has a very well balanced offense and a defense which looks to me like its only going to get better as the season goes on.

Reid is one of the best coaches in the league and you can be sure he will scheme up something for those Broncos games.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

Look you have goggles on when it comes to Peyton Manning, they just had a huge loss on their offensive line. This Chiefs team has a very well balanced offense and a defense which looks to me like its only going to get better as the season goes on.

Reid is one of the best coaches in the league and you can be sure he will scheme up something for those Broncos games.

I have goggles on? Is he or isn't he one of the greatest players the game has ever seen? In the games most pivotal position? I'm still a Peyton fan, but I'm no Broncos fan. I'm just being honest when I say I think this offense is a special one.

I agree Clady is a huge loss, but it's still as good a line as anything he had in Indy for his last five years, when he was one of the least sacked players in the league.

Either way, call me crazy but I don't think it's a stretch to say a team coming off a 13-3 season will best a team coming off a 2-14 season. I have a lot of respect for Reid, but there's only so much he can do in one season.

eagle eye

You need to forget about what the Chiefs were like before Reid got there and just look at what they have done so far this season.

Thursday nights game was a huge warning to everybody. Vick had nowhere to go and nowhere to throw most of the night. Three games in and 16 points is the most they've allowed in a game.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

You need to forget about what the Chiefs were like before Reid got there and just look at what they have done so far this season.

Thursday nights game was a huge warning to everybody. Vick had nowhere to go and nowhere to throw most of the night. Three games in and 16 points is the most they've allowed in a game.

Yeah I think they're massively impoved but Reid is still taking charge of a poor team. I think they should make the playoffs. Thats a huge turnaround.
Look at Denver though. 90 points in two games against the two most recent Super Bowl champs.

eagle eye

Its hard to take anything much from those games though. The Ravens other game was against the pathetic Browns and the Giants gave up 36 to the Cowboys.

The big thing I've seen with this Chiefs team is how quick they are getting to the QB. Through three weeks they have 15 sacks and they are pressuring the QB on almost every play. They are best in the NFL against the pass right now, well certainly top two along with the Seahawks.

I cannot see the Broncos holding them off, even if they had Clady they would be having problems against that D. Its not just the line though, Eric Berry seems to be everywhere a ball is thrown this season so far, he seems to have gone to a different level. If he keeps up the level he has shown to this point he will be win the DPOY.

davyjose

That's assuming the division comes down to whoever wins the two games between Kansas City and Denver. Unless KC win both it won't matter. If they split them, Denver will have a better record anyway IMO.

But getting to Peyton is different to getting to Blaine Gabbert, or even Vick or Romo. Peyton will read the blitz and dump it off. If there's one thing Peyton does best it's read the blitz and adjust at the line of scrimmage. He'll dump it off to Welker or Decker or Moreno All. Day. Long. It's nothing to do with goggles, I just know how good the guy is. The man was sacked 10 times in 2009 with Tony Ugoh as his LT, and Charlie Johnson at Guard. 10 times all season! Peyton loves the blitz, just loves it.

If it comes down to this Denver O and this KC D, I'll be taking the Denver O every day of the week, I'm afraid.

Morrisseeee

I'm impressed with the Chiefs so far, I think themselves and the Bolts will keep us on out toes for the division. I don't think we (Broncos) are a special team, just a good solid team with a special leader (Manning).

Out-of-interest eagle eye what odds will you give me for the Broncos taking the Div ?

Jolly Red Giant

eagle eye wrote: »

Its hard to take anything much from those games though. The Ravens other game was against the pathetic Browns and the Giants gave up 36 to the Cowboys.

This is nonsense - both the Ravens and Giants are decent teams and the Broncos hammered both.

eagle eye wrote: »

The big thing I've seen with this Chiefs team is how quick they are getting to the QB. Through three weeks they have 15 sacks and they are pressuring the QB on almost every play. They are best in the NFL against the pass right now, well certainly top two along with the Seahawks.

The Chiefs have improved but they are not in the same league as the Broncos. The Chiefs beat an awful Jags team, beat a mediocre Cowboys team by a single point and beat an over-rated Eagles team (who beat a bad Redskins and lost to a Jekyll and Hyde Chargers team).

eagle eye wrote: »

I cannot see the Broncos holding them off, even if they had Clady they would be having problems against that D. Its not just the line though, Eric Berry seems to be everywhere a ball is thrown this season so far, he seems to have gone to a different level. If he keeps up the level he has shown to this point he will be win the DPOY.

As davy has pointed out - the Chiefs have not faced anyone who is remotely as capable as Manning in dealing with the blitz. Yes Clady is a loss but the Broncos will adjust to compensate. Manning will dump the ball off to pick up every yard available. As for the Berry, the Chiefs secondary have not faced a receiving threat anything approaching the calibre of the Broncos receiving corps. Berry V Welker will be interesting and I know who my money is on. Lastly - the Chiefs DL will run out of steam facing the Broncos pistol offence (especially at Mile High) and the Broncos will have Miller and Bailey in the line-up for the games.

The Chiefs play the Giants in KC next week - it will be an interesting comparison. I expect the Chiefs to win it narrowly - but they won't come close to dishing out the hammering the Broncos gave the Giants in NJ last Sunday.

Morrisseeee wrote: »

I don't think we (Broncos) are a special team, just a good solid team with a special leader (Manning).

I agree - the Broncos are a very good solid all-round team (and a very good solid and experienced coaching staff) with a special player at QB. Irrespective of who gets hurt, the Broncos will be playing late into next January as long as Manning is under centre.

eagle eye

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

This is nonsense - both the Ravens and Giants are decent teams and the Broncos hammered both.

Are you making a statement of fact here? Are you telling me that based on the two games those teams have played so far that they are decent or are you using history?
To say what I posted is nonsense makes me think you have a I know more than you opinion of yourself. If I see anymore of that you'll be quickly added to my ignore list.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Chiefs have improved but they are not in the same league as the Broncos. The Chiefs beat an awful Jags team, beat a mediocre Cowboys team by a single point and beat an over-rated Eagles team (who beat a bad Redskins and lost to a Jekyll and Hyde Chargers team).

They beat an awful Jags team easily, they stuggled offensively against the Cowboys but that offense will get better as the season progresses. I pointed out that they've kept these teams below 20 points on the scoreboard. I didn't say they were great all around teams but you won't see many Ds keep these teams from scoring in the mid twenties.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

As davy has pointed out - the Chiefs have not faced anyone who is remotely as capable as Manning in dealing with the blitz. Yes Clady is a loss but the Broncos will adjust to compensate. Manning will dump the ball off to pick up every yard available. As for the Berry, the Chiefs secondary have not faced a receiving threat anything approaching the calibre of the Broncos receiving corps. Berry V Welker will be interesting and I know who my money is on. Lastly - the Chiefs DL will run out of steam facing the Broncos pistol offence (especially at Mile High) and the Broncos will have Miller and Bailey in the line-up for the games.

This Chiefs D isn't just winning at one edge, its winning all over the line. There is nobody fast enough to get the ball out of there quickly enough if they keep that up.

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

The Chiefs play the Giants in KC next week - it will be an interesting comparison. I expect the Chiefs to win it narrowly - but they won't come close to dishing out the hammering the Broncos gave the Giants in NJ last Sunday.

The Giants have been horrendous so far this season. If they are as bad this week then we will know where they are at for sure this season but for me they are going to have a losing season.
I don't expect them to give the Giants a hammering, thats not how they play. Once they have the lead they are going to use the clock and run the ball.
Running up the score is something that Manning wants done so he can go after a regular season MVP award.

Jolly Red Giant

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you making a statement of fact here? Are you telling me that based on the two games those teams have played so far that they are decent or are you using history?
To say what I posted is nonsense makes me think you have a I know more than you opinion of yourself. If I see anymore of that you'll be quickly added to my ignore list.

It is nonsense to dismiss the hammering the Broncos dished out to the Ravens and the Giants. The Broncos didn't beat both teams - they destroyed them - particularly the Ravens who are the reigning champions.

eagle eye wrote: »

They beat an awful Jags team easily, they stuggled offensively against the Cowboys but that offense will get better as the season progresses. I pointed out that they've kept these teams below 20 points on the scoreboard. I didn't say they were great all around teams but you won't see many Ds keep these teams from scoring in the mid twenties.

I disagree - the Jags are anemic on offense - 2 pts against the Chiefs and 9 against the Raiders. I will be surprised if the Jags score 20 pts in any game this season - it certainly won't happen next week against the Seahawks. The Cowboys aren't much better to be honest.

eagle eye wrote: »

This Chiefs D isn't just winning at one edge, its winning all over the line. There is nobody fast enough to get the ball out of there quickly enough if they keep that up.

Yes there is - in fact there are several QBs who are capable of it. Gabbert and Romo are not among them - and Vick is a turnover machine.

eagle eye wrote: »

The Giants have been horrendous so far this season. If they are as bad this week then we will know where they are at for sure this season but for me they are going to have a losing season.

No they haven't - they gave up six turnovers to the Cowboys. There were mistake prone in the game. They made a lot fewer mistakes against the Broncos - two of Eli's interceptions were hail marys at the end of each half. The Giants hung in until the Broncos made half-time adjustments and blew them out in the second half. The Giants don't have a running game at the moment and until they do they will struggle.

And the Broncos blew out both teams without their two best defensive players.

eagle eye wrote: »

I don't expect them to give the Giants a hammering, thats not how they play. Once they have the lead they are going to use the clock and run the ball.

Did I not say that I expected the Chiefs to win? But the game will be a good indication of where both teams are at.

eagle eye wrote: »

Running up the score is something that Manning wants done so he can go after a regular season MVP award.

Peyton Manning has one - and only one - objective this season - winning the SB. If you believe anything else then you know very little about Manning.

The Broncos go into every game to win - the NFL is a place that when you have the advantage you hammer it home. That is what the Broncos have done so far and what they will continue to do when they get the opportunity - otherwise you present your opponents with the opportunity to turn you over.

kennyb3

Watched the game today - the big issues for the KCC is lack of killer instinct - 4 turnovers in first half and only 16-6 up. That won't happen every week. Not like they were playing a top team either.

Also Fisher was getting killed at right tackle.

They are a much improved team but lets not get carried away.

davyjose

eagle eye wrote: »

Running up the score is something that Manning wants done so he can go after a regular season MVP award.

Ah here, are you serious? The same Manning who for countless seasons stepped off the field after one series when he had the opportunity to lead the league in yardage, or reach 50 TDs? If manning was one for running up the score, he'd still have the single season TD record.
I've never heard anyone accuse Him of that.

I'm not biting on Kansas suddenly having the best D in the league after three games. We'll know more when they meeet in week 11 though.

Son Of A Vidic

davyjose wrote: »

Ah here, are you serious? The same Manning who for countless seasons stepped off the field after one series when he had the opportunity to lead the league in yardage, or reach 50 TDs? If manning was one for running up the score, he'd still have the single season TD record.
I've never heard anyone accuse Him of that.

Maybe he would have, but I don't think speculating about what a player could have done, especially when he wasn't on the field is possible. That's like me saying if Brady hadn't of missed all of 2008 with his busted knee. Then he would have built on his record breaking 50 TD year in 2007 with Moss and thrown 60 TD's in 2008.

davyjose

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Maybe he would have, but I don't think speculating about what a player could have done, especially when he wasn't on the field is possible. That's like me saying if Brady hadn't of missed all of 2008 with his busted knee. Then he would have built on his record breaking 50 TD year in 2007 with Moss and thrown 60 TD's in 2008.

Fair enough, but the point remains.

TO.

The Chiefs are doing a great job this year. Andy Reid's coaching has been evident to date but I don't think they are better than the Broncos. Big fan of Andy Reid and the Chiefs right now and they are doing everything right to date but the Broncos are better. Having said that I would hardly call what the Broncos are doing special.

The Giants and Ravens are hardly top class teams themselves. Don't really have to explain the Giants as it is clear as day they are struggling. As for the Ravens. They struggled against the Browns for fook sake. So what if they won the bowl last season. They made a lot of changes since then and their defense is not as strong as it was and their offense is struggling. Flacco is struggling to find a target right now.

The Broncos will win the division but will be pushed by the Chiefs.

Xavi6

Another week, another win. How about that punt return from McCluster?! The spin at the start of it was class.

Jolly Red Giant

The Chiefs were impressive last night - the Giants are falling apart at the moment.

It is a pity we have to wait until week 11 to see how the Broncos offence handles the Chiefs defence.

Xavi6

Keep her lit lads

Texans, Browns and Bills next. Real chance to go into the bye 9-0.

Xavi6

Xavi6 wrote: »

Real chance to go into the bye 9-0.

Yep, 8-0 now ahead of next week. Solid if unspectacular.

Xavi6

Job done again, feet up for a week.

Offense is overrated :cool:

conor222

So are there still a few Kc fans knocking around here?
Odd injury stance on Alex Smith, cleared concussion protocols but will not be played this weekend (ruled out)
Ware failed concussion protocol but has not been ruled out for this weekend's game.

Very important game between Broncos and Raiders for the divisional standings too.
Can Nick Foles keep it going against the Jags this weekend? (my guess is yes and hopefully, with relative ease)

conor222

Alex Smith back this week, Ware not cleared yet but looking likely.
Houston has been activated but would be surprised to see him playing at all tbh.

Panthers are hard to figure out this year so it'll be an interesting one, a win would pout us top of the AFC west as the raiders are on bye this week. Its a hell of a tough division this year!

conor222

So Chiefs now lead the division, with the tiebreaker over Oakland. Tough slate of games coming up -
Bucs
@Broncos
@Falcons
Raiders
Titans
Broncos
@Chargers

I'd guess 4-2, 5-1 out of that beating @Chargers, Raiders, Titans, Broncos and possibly winning one of the road games @Broncos or @Falcons
I don't overlook the Raiders game as I think they're a real competitor but at home on a short week should be good for us, not looking forward to @Broncos after their bye week but hey, thats how the cards fall. I was not impressed by their performance against the Saints this weekend and would want to see a lot more out of the offense there.

Houston is apparently very close to playing, I'd expect him to be held out vs Bucs this week and to return in the Broncos game. Shaping up for a bloodbath int he back of the season for the AFCW

conor222

Big game this week, all players reported as healthy and fully practicing.
Weather is set to be below -6 degrees celcious so expect a cold, hard fought game in Arrowhead. Got a gig on that night but gonna stay up when I get home and watch. Friday in work is going to be tired, but hopefuly very happy

Trojan

I really like the Chiefs this season. Weak O-line yet they're still doing serious damage all around. Tonnes of INTs, giving up very few. I watched the Falcons game, awesome stuff and what about that fake punt?

https://twitter.com/Chiefs/status/806302486919315456/

conor222

So with DJ out will the run deence be able to deal with what Tennessee have to offer?
Should make for an interesting game, tbh, I'm most worried about this one from the three games we have left!

helimachoptor

conor222 wrote: »

So with DJ out will the run deence be able to deal with what Tennessee have to offer?
Should make for an interesting game, tbh, I'm most worried about this one from the three games we have left!

Expect the titans will do a similar MO to the Broncos game.

Mostly running, with the odd throw to stop you stacking the box.

Smith will kill us so the aim will be to keep the ball out of his hands as much as possible

conor222

Getting the bye is a big help, I'll be watching the Pitt game very closely to see what we will have to deal with. Dont really see Miami being able to win it but both have been very streaky teams.

conor222

Back 1 and 0 with a strong looking eagles team coming to our building.

How will the team look with the loss of Berry (there's depth there but no real replacing him)?
Can the offence keep up its previous pace or was that a one week wonder?
What will Kareem Hunt look like against this Eagles defence?

Extremely happy with the start of the season but don't put as much stock into Thursday night games, let along season openers as they tend to be outliers. This game will tell us a lot I think.