Are you still rooting for Walt?

donfers

A simple poll, yes or no, no faffing about here.

Me, I'm backing him to the end, I don't believe he is genuinely evil or sociopathic, he has faced difficult circumstances and has crossed the line on occassion but always, always with some kind of rationale or endgame in mind that prioritises those he loves.

April O Neill

No. I stopped rooting for him when Jane's death occurred.

Reiketsu

Nope! I haven't rooted for him for a while now.

Days 298

I want Walt to get away with it.I want Hank to get recrippled in the gun battle. I don't know why I just do. I've never liked him. That being said Brock knows something I think which could be a blow to Walt if he says it.

mutley18

More than ever. I don't like Hank when he isn't Fun Time Hankie and Jesse is just a whinging (to use his favourite word) - BITCH.

Todd Toddington III

Definitely. I love his ruthlessness and how calculated his thought process is. Best character on tv since omar on the wire

April O Neill

Todd Toddington III wrote: »

Definitely. I love his ruthlessness and how calculated his thought process is. Best character on tv since omar on the wire

He is pretty careless in a lot of ways though, he's not as calculated as he would like to think.

I've always liked Hank though, from the start.

Hande hoche!

mutley18 wrote: »

More than ever. I don't like Hank when he isn't Fun Time Hankie and Jesse is just a whinging (to use his favourite word) - BITCH.

Agree on all counts. I have found Jessie fairly annoying last few episodes.

Todd Toddington III

April O Neill wrote: »

He is pretty careless in a lot of ways though, he's not as calculated as he would like to think.

I've always liked Hank though, from the start.

I dunno, that video he sent to hank was pretty well thought out. Just because he can be careless in some of his actions doesnt make his thought process any less calculated.

ballsymchugh

i'm rooting for todd and his new bird.

Crackle

I find myself changing my mind on a week to week basis at this stage. His attempts at manipulating Jesse made me root against him, but at the end of this weeks episode I was hoping Todd and his uncle would show up to save him.

This show is messing with my head.

xxerogravity

Im rooting for Uncle Jack.

Wacker The Attacker

ballsymchugh wrote: »

i'm rooting for todd and his new bird.

I'd say todd is lashing lydia out of it.

Wacker The Attacker

Walter is the man. I hope he wins.

76steve76

Yes. He's just a very passionate businessman I think.

smellmepower

Rooting for the ghost of Mike to return and kill Walt.

Also rooting for Walt Jr to have one last family breakfast before the show ends.

briany

How could you not root for Walt?

Before you wrap that in quotes and say 'well he poisoned Brock, he watched Jane die, he caused an f'ing plane crash' etc., I'm not saying that he hasn't done terrible things but I am saying that he's just about the perfect everyman anti-hero. He didn't lie down. Cranston, as Gilligan has pointed out numerous times, is a master of playing a bad character while still being sympathetic. He's never played Walter White as a sociopathic criminal but as a once decent suburban family man whose moral compass got all screwed up by desperation and circumstance. His hurt and betrayal over Jesse's flipping, his crying out to Hank when the nazis were setting up, these were human actions and Walter White's still in there. I think that these last 3 episodes will give us a degree of redemption for Walter and show us that he is not the devil, as Jesse stated, just really f*cked up, and probably f*cked, too.

April O Neill

briany wrote: »

How could you not root for Walt?

Because I don't. That's how. He's great to watch and a great character, of course, but I can't pretend I root for him when I don't. And, show creator or not, just because Vince Gilligan thinks he's good at playing the sympathetic baddie, doesn't mean everyone will see it that way.

A Primal Nut

I hope Hank gets brought to justice but at the same time I was hoping his family would inherit the money.

Sinfonia

A Primal Nut wrote: »

I hope Hank gets brought to justice but at the same time I was hoping his family would inherit the money.

*obligatory "WTF do you mean HANK!?!!?>>!" post*

ziggy

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bellinter

Absolutely still rooting for him. Although if Todd and himself do end up at odds then I may have to rethink! At the moment his “enemies” are Hank and Jesse and I’m certainly not rooting for either of those. I suppose that by the end, barring another big twist, his fight will be with the skinheads and we’ll all want Walt to emerge the hero from that one. Plus when he saves Hank/Jesse next week we’ll all see that behind it all, he’s truly a stand up guy.

SweepTheLeg

Of course i'm rooting for Walt. He's the best character in the show.

xxerogravity

I'd just like to say that the most ridiculous thing about breaking bad was the plane crash. Oh and the TCAS system just happen to be offline too.

Hope Uncle Jack takes out that filthy, meth head rat Jesse.

Wacker The Attacker

April O Neill wrote: »

No. I stopped rooting for him when Jane's death occurred.

Junkie deserved it. Her little blackmail attempt backfired spectacularly

krudler

April O Neill wrote: »

No. I stopped rooting for him when Jane's death occurred.

Janes wasn't innocent though, she got Jesse on heroin, blackmailed Walt and was going to ruin everything. What he did was despicable but poisoning Brock was worse.

[-0-]

I'm rooting for Hank.

audman

*To be chanted in a rootful manner with a pumping fist, a red vein-bursting face and clinched teeth.

HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK HANK

Vaxxine

Walt and Saul, the two best characters left!!

audman

Vaxxine wrote: »

Walt and Saul, the two best characters left!!

Walt & Salt lol x

April O Neill

krudler wrote: »

Janes wasn't innocent though, she got Jesse on heroin

No, she wasn't, but the way I saw it, Jesse dragged her down too. She was doing pretty well until he came along. They were crap for each other, basically. But what Jane did does not justify letting her die. To think otherwise is a bit fúcked up, IMHFO. O_o

Da Shins Kelly

Nope, haven't been rooting for him in a long time. Was very satisfied to see Hank put the handcuffs on him and to see him realize that he's actually not so much smarter than everyone else. Walt is a compelling character, but I don't empathise with his situation at all at this stage. He's gone above and beyond what was necessary for the sake of his own ego, and at this stage I do just want to see him taken down a peg or two. People can go on about him being the "anti-hero" and what have you, but to me, Jesse's always been the real hero of the show. He's smarter than he's given credit for, he doesn't have the ego of Walt, or the ease in committing terrible crimes that Walt has, he has a sensitivity that he gets punished for again and again by the circumstances and people surrounding him, he's the conscience of the show.

April O Neill

Da Shins Kelly wrote: »

Walt is a compelling character, but I don't empathise with his situation at all at this stage.

This.

Sinfonia

krudler wrote: »

Janes wasn't innocent though, she got Jesse on heroin, blackmailed Walt and was going to ruin everything. What he did was despicable but poisoning Brock was worse.

Jane's hotter than Brock, that counts for something.



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Fiery biscuits

That was some cliffhanger at the end of Mondays show! I think that the writers/producers have done a great job regarding this rooting/not rooting for Walt theme. They constantly seem to take sympathy from him by virtue of his actions but then somehow try to give it back to him.

I think it was evident on Mondays episode where they attempted to create more empathy for Walt.

1.Walt saying to Jesse the money is only for this family. Do you believe him or is it ego?
2. Walt having a tear in his eye as he sat down (or was it sweat)
3. Walt asking for jesses killing to be quick and painless.
4. Walt calling off the reinforcements.
5. Walt trying to warn Hank to get out of there/trying to tell the reinforcements to leave.

One has to wonder if Walts previous misdemeanors are too much and he has crossed a line where people just cannot sympathize with him anymore. It's fascinating nonetheless. Personally, I'm not rooting for him anymore. I'm rooting for Jesse and as someone else already mentioned, he is the conscience of the show. It will be interesting next week if the producers and writers will again try to claw back sympathy for Walt or will badass Walt be back in episode 14

Sion1138

Of course.

After all, evil will always win, because good is dumb.

RobbingBandit

Not for a while now, it has been fun to watch his decent since blowing up Gus and Hector,the revulsion on Hanks face when he finally figured things out and Pinkmans when he figured out the whole Brock thing was great too. Walt will learn the hard way once you are out they will always pull you back in.

I just hope they do go with a Scarface style finale rather than Godfather 3 style with Walt taking everyone out verse him watching his world fall apart and not being able to do a thing about it.

Andrew76

Yep rooting for Walt, hope he gets away scot free (he probably won't though).

Hope Jesse gets it in the neck, he used to be the dumb but funny character, but his growing conscience has turned him into an annoying whinging git. Walt's previous reluctance to deal with him was also a bit irritating - you could see he was becoming a liability - should've got rid of him ages ago, wouldn't have pleased viewers though.

Not too pushed whether Hank lives or dies - he was more likeable when he was in the dark about Walt I thought.

April O Neill

One thing I do appreciate is that they haven't made Walt a one dimensional baddie, there's nothing worse than that.

I still think he's a thundering cúntbag, but at least they've given him shading (trying to get the Aryans not to shoot Hank, only putting out a hit on Jesse after much everything else failed, not wanting to kill Brock).

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Fiery biscuits wrote: »

I think it was evident on Mondays episode where they attempted to create more empathy for Walt.

1.Walt saying to Jesse the money is only for this family. Do you believe him or is it ego?
2. Walt having a tear in his eye as he sat down (or was it sweat)
3. Walt asking for jesses killing to be quick and painless.
4. Walt calling off the reinforcements.
5. Walt trying to warn Hank to get out of there/trying to tell the reinforcements to leave.

I think your points can actually be interpreted as a way of seeing just how evil Walt has become.

1. Walt using his family as an excuse to save his money.
2. It was probably sweat or even if he did shed a tear it is definitely to do with him being in pain about his money/his world coming to an end.
3. He's asking an assassin to murder someone who he has even said quite recently that he considers to be 'like family'. MURDER!
4. Because I think he thought Jessie would have been alone. He called it off because Hank came and there could be more cops on the way. Back to his money, his precise.
5. I still think he thinks he can salvage the money so a gun fight would draw too much heat maybe?

Anyway, every single thing he does in the show now he is motivated by evil, I'm sure of that.

He's broken, he's been broken for quite a while now, he's broken bad buddy!

evolving_doors

I'm more interested in the skyler hate amongst BB fans.....

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Armelodie wrote: »

I'm more interested in the skyler hate amongst BB fans.....

Because some people blame her for playing a part in turning Walt from the man he was into the monster he is now maybe???

That's a wild stab in the dark btw, I think Skyler is pretty hot.

D_murph

I still root for Walt. He has done a lot of bad stuff alright but its not like he set out to do it all either.
He was dragged in deeper and deeper all the way and got put in some terrible situations where he had to make some decisions that were the difference between life and death.

He had to kill Crazy 8 in season 1. He considered leaving him go but he was ready to kill him when he did and even if it didnt happen like it did, do you honestly believe that Crazy 8 would just forgive him and not come back for revenge on him and his family? My arse!!

Not saving Jane was down to her threatening to call the cops on him. He didnt actually kill her, she was out of her head and choked on her own vomit. It was convenient for him so he took the opportunity and let natural selection take her. Probably would have happened sooner or later anyway.

He did not know he caused the plane crash and he never knew that it was her father that he was talking to in the bar the night she died so even he didnt know the link there and he would defo not have done that if he knew either of these 2 facts.

Poisoning Brock was a terrible thing to do I concede. Really should not have done that but he could have killed him if he wanted to and he didnt.

He pretty much had to save Jesse from being killed by the 2 drug dealers that he ran down or he would have been killed. IMO, Jesse owes him for that but he did kill Gale alright. Then again, that was for his own good too though.

Cant blame him for killing Gus either. He was only waiting for the chance to do them both when they had finished cooking for him.

He should not have killed Mike alright. Mike just told him a few home truths and he went nuts and killed him unnecessarily. Then again, Mike would have killed him and Jesse at the drop of a hat earlier on in the series so he doesnt get a lot of sympathy from me either.

Im sure theres more but its been a while since I saw the first half of season 5 and before that even so I cant remember it all right now but heres a few more things from the second half.

He would not have Hank killed despite Saul telling him it was an option because he was family.
He repeatedly refused to have Jesse killed until it was obvious that he was not just out of control but until after he actually threatened him on the phone after the meeting they were supposed to have and he baled out and told him he was coming for him.

He could have told the Jack to come and wipe out the lot of them (Hank, Gomez and Jesse) when he was on the phone to him but he just said to him not to come, its off and gave up rather than have Hank killed. He pretty much gave himself up after that and didnt even use his gun to get away.

He was frantically trying to get Jack to not shoot Hank when handcuffed in the back of Hanks 4x4 also.

Aside form a few (admittedly) bad things he did, he had no choice other than to be killed or be caught so many times throughout the whole story and I do genuinely believe that he did do it all to provide for his family. Hes dying and that is evident from all the meds he was taking a few episodes ago and the cough is back. Hes not going to be around to spend any of it soon and his family will need the cash but all they (Walt and Jesse) worked for is going to go up in smoke because of a difference of opinion between them, which is what it basically is.

Jesse should have just taken his $5M and gone and shut the fck up, Hank would have had nothing to go on and the confession tape would have sorted him out and it would be all over but he went out and threw his money all over the neighborhood and got nabbedlike an idiot :rolleyes:. I know if I had that kinda moolah, I wouldnt lob it around the place like that anyway lol.

End of the story is, Walt was out and going to do no more damage and Jesse had his money and was out too but he was the one that flipped and went nuts and is about to ruin all their hard work.

I would just love to know who Walt has the machine gun for though. The one in the snippet at the start of the first or second episode (cant remember which). Is it for Jesse or is it for Uncle Jack after possibly killing Hank? The deal was that Walt would do one more cook with Todd and I reckon Hanks death would make him renege on this and the M16 is for his own protection against Jacks crew over this, or possibly something worse. Time will tell...

Mr.Saturn

The Brock poisoning was spawned from the fact Gus outright said he'd off Walt's family if he tried interfere in Fring's killing on Hank. The 'Lily of the Valley' was a crazy, desperate, rotterous last stand by a man who'd almost come to terms with his imminent demise. It was the only hope of drawing Jesse back into Mr.White's influence, and in turn, provide a direct line to stopping Fring. It was a more extreme case of the original MO: family first, and anything that removes an obstacle is fair game.

Also interesting it's the point in which we 'lost' Walt. Not in some profound, dramatic sense, but the series had pretty much been told entirely from his viewpoint at that stage, 'til the end of season 4; we were privvy to his thought processes, plots and efforts to ensure success or rectify damage. Basically, some means of relating to him. This changes at the revelation of his poisoning Brock, something we never got to see; we saw the consequence, but not the process, as we'd become accustomed to. This carried through as a 'thing' in Season 5, with the theft of the methylamine before Jesse and Mike can sell it. It became a series less about a man undergoing a drastic character shift, and more one focused on how that impacts the environment around him, fitting in with the 'Hail to the King' arc that carried S5 Part 1.

SweepTheLeg

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I think your points can actually be interpreted as a way of seeing just how evil Walt has become.

1. Walt using his family as an excuse to save his money.
2. It was probably sweat or even if he did shed a tear it is definitely to do with him being in pain about his money/his world coming to an end.
3. He's asking an assassin to murder someone who he has even said quite recently that he considers to be 'like family'. MURDER!
4. Because I think he thought Jessie would have been alone. He called it off because Hank came and there could be more cops on the way. Back to his money, his precise.
5. I still think he thinks he can salvage the money so a gun fight would draw too much heat maybe?

Anyway, every single thing he does in the show now he is motivated by evil, I'm sure of that.

I'll try and clean this up for you.

1. Nope, Walt even said to Jesse that his cancer is back. He thinks he'll be dead in a few months so the money is just for his family. He doesn't care about for himself, he has no use for it.

2. Sweat.. really? I know you dislike Walt but that's just dumb. Of course it's a tear, He's upset it's all came to this. He is human after all.

3. How many times has he saved Jesse life? He's put off killing him so many times, giving Jesse the benefit of the doubt that he'll see reason. It's only after Jesse thought Walt brought a hit man to the meeting that he decided it was time to put him down. He does care for him, if it was anyone but Jesse who tried to burn down his house they would be dead.

4. No, he called them off because he realized Hank was with him. Hank is family and doesn't want anything to happen to him.

5. His first priority is making sure himself and Hank get out alive.

Your hatred of the character is clouding your judgement and making you unable to understand these things. There is a lot of Good in Walt but you refuse to see it. Maybe re watch the show from the beginning.

sebastianlieken

TEAM HANK!!!

J. Marston

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You tell 'em, Hank!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

SweepTheLeg wrote: »

I'll try and clean this up for you.

1. Nope, Walt even said to Jesse that his cancer is back. He thinks he'll be dead in a few months so the money is just for his family. He doesn't care about for himself, he has no use for it.

2. Sweat.. really? I know you dislike Walt but that's just dumb. Of course it's a tear, He's upset it's all came to this. He is human after all.

3. How many times has he saved Jesse life? He's put off killing him so many times, giving Jesse the benefit of the doubt that he'll see reason. It's only after Jesse thought Walt brought a hit man to the meeting that he decided it was time to put him down. He does care for him, if it was anyone but Jesse who tried to burn down his house they would be dead.

4. No, he called them off because he realized Hank was with him. Hank is family and doesn't want anything to happen to him.

5. His first priority is making sure himself and Hank get out alive.

Your hatred of the character is clouding your judgement and making you unable to understand these things. There is a lot of Good in Walt but you refuse to see it. Maybe re watch the show from the beginning.

I'm going to have to respond.

1. I think this is all about control and manipulation, two characteristics which almost define him now at this stage.

2. He's getting a strong realisation that his whole world is coming down around him. This is the moment it dawns on him that his little manipulation video he made for Hank is no longer in play.

3. Now, I think your love for Walt is clouding your judgement :P. Your putting forward as a redeeming feature, that he hasn't murdered a friend he considers like family yet, but would have murdered him if he wasn't long before now.
So he's a good person because he usually gets people murdered faster?

4. He called them off because Hank was with him yes, that's because Hank is a cop, he didn't want to bring a small army to have a gun war with two cops/detectives right over all of his money.
Two dead cops or 5/6(?) dead felons(?) right over your loot isn't the greatest way to protect it.

5. This point is hard to call as we don't know the ending yet.
Again though, Walt doesn't want dead cops bodies (will Hank die?) laid out over his money.

All in all, Walt has a few redeeming features/qualities but he has come so far from the man he once was that I don't think even he knows who he is or what he's capable of now.

He's become a complete sociopath!

From a nerdy Chemistry teaching submissive husband to a ruthless drug lord with a massive amount of blood on his hands. You couldn't make it up...

oh wait yeah.