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Mulitroom-Please check this installation config- thanks

  • 09-09-2013 3:09pm
    #1
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭


    Hi I am about to spend some money on a Sat multi-room (7 rooms) system for my home.

    I have been told I need to install the following for multiroom dish/antenna signal, and have received a quote for same.

    There are x2 shotgun coax cables ran to all points , and ran back to a server location which I ran myself when renovating the house.

    The contractor will install the following:
    1. Sat dish
    2. Quad LNB
    3. Aerial
    4. 5 COAX from Sat and aerial to server location
    5. 1 5x16 switch at server location and terminate all coax from rooms into.
    6. terminate all cable ends with connectors

    Is this the best way to configure this ?
    I'm concerned about signal quality etc.

    ta

    A,


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  • #2
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    The contractor will install the following:
    1. Sat dish
    2. Quad LNB
    3. Aerial
    4. 5 COAX from Sat and aerial to server location
    5. 1 5x16 switch at server location and terminate all coax from rooms into.
    6. terminate all cable ends with connectors

    Is this the best way to configure this ?


    By 'terminate all cable ends with connectors', do you mean the ends at the tv points?

    What about wallplates?


  • #3
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    Hi I am about to spend some money on a Sat multi-room (7 rooms) system for my home.

    I have been told I need to install the following for multiroom dish/antenna signal, and have received a quote for same.

    There are x2 shotgun coax cables ran to all points , and ran back to a server location which I ran myself when renovating the house.

    The contractor will install the following:
    1. Sat dish
    2. Quad LNB X QUATTRO LNB
    3. Aerial
    4. 5 COAX from Sat and aerial to server location X 4 SAT cables and 1 aerial cable to switch
    5. 1 5x16 switch at server location and terminate all coax from rooms into. 14 cables to 7 rooms leaving switch
    6. terminate all cable ends with connectors Have splitters to split back UHF/Sat

    Is this the best way to configure this ?
    I'm concerned about signal quality etc.

    ta

    A,

    Done.


  • #4
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    By 'terminate all cable ends with connectors', do you mean the ends at the tv points?

    What about wallplates?

    Personal choice but I just have the cables coming out of blank double wall point, and I will mount TV over.


  • #5
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    @ STB, what do you mean by 'X 1 SAT cables and 1 aerial cable to switch'? Assume you mean 4 sat. & 1 aerial? (5 total, as specced.) Also '5 cables to 5 rooms' It's 7 rooms & how do you know how many tuners the sat. receivers have?

    Also, some switches will work with a quad. I'd like to think the contractor knows what he's at there.


  • #6
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    STB wrote: »
    Done.

    Maybe I was naive but I had ran the shotgun cable from each room (x7) to a central server location whilst renovating.

    So I will need them condensed into a switch, and the feed from the sat and aerial in - 5x16 switch.

    The plan then was to run x4 sat cables from dish, and x1 aerial cable to switch at server, and from there out to each room.

    I have a Amiko A2 for the sitting room and will purchase a cheap stb for bedrooms etc down the line.


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  • #7
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    Personal choice but I just have the cables coming out of blank double wall point, and I will mount TV over.

    Each cable from the switch will be carrying both satellite & terrestrial signals, so you'll need a diplexer to separate them at the tv.

    A typical wallplate for this job would have this built in & would offer connections for sat. 1, sat. 2 & tv. Maybe FM & DAB radio too.


  • #8
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    Maybe I was naive but I had ran the shotgun cable from each room (x7) to a central server location whilst renovating.

    So I will need them condensed into a switch, and the feed from the sat and aerial in - 5x16 switch.

    The multiswitch is a good idea as it will allow you to install twin-tuner satellite receivers in any & all of the rooms. Going direct from the lnb would limit you to 8 connections total (octo lnb). Also the advantage of having terrestrial signal on all feeds.


  • #9
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Each cable from the switch will be carrying both satellite & terrestrial signals, so you'll need a diplexer to separate them at the tv.

    A typical wallplate for this job would have this built in & would offer connections for sat. 1, sat. 2 & tv. Maybe FM & DAB radio too.

    Would you have a link for such a plate with as many ports/points as possible.
    I used a standard double electrical back box at all points which has x2 coax and x2 cat6 sticking out.
    I could reroute the cat6 to the side, and use the back box for just coax.

    also will using a diplexer to reverse the split at the back of the stb reduce quality?


  • #10
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Selection of plates here.

    If you're only using a single-tuner satellite receiver at a particular point, you can connect 1 cable to it & the other to the tv, without using a diplexer, whether in a 'fancy' wallplate or not.

    Won't harm signal quality, either way.


  • #11
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    @ STB, what do you mean by 'X 1 SAT cables and 1 aerial cable to switch'? Assume you mean 4 sat. & 1 aerial? (5 total, as specced.) Also '5 cables to 5 rooms' It's 7 rooms & how do you know how many tuners the sat. receivers have?

    Also, some switches will work with a quad. I'd like to think the contractor knows what he's at there.

    What switch will produce more than 4 outputs with a Quad ?

    (4 sat cables and 1 UHF to switch by the way)


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  • #12
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    STB wrote: »
    What switch will produce more than 4 outputs with a Quad ?

    (4 sat cables and 1 UHF to switch by the way)

    A multiswitch designed for use with a quattro only, would get nothing but low band vertical from a quad, so there wouldn't even be any point connecting more than that input.

    Switches that work with a quad: probably all of these: http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?page=products&id_kateg=5

    At least some of these: http://www.spaun.de/?lang=en&modul=products&category=3f16a

    I daresay there are more. All they do is permanently send the relevant voltage/tone combo to an lnb output.


  • #13
    Finne1993
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Finne1993


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    Hi I am about to spend some money on a Sat multi-room (7 rooms) system for my home.

    I have been told I need to install the following for multiroom dish/antenna signal, and have received a quote for same.

    There are x2 shotgun coax cables ran to all points , and ran back to a server location which I ran myself when renovating the house.

    The contractor will install the following:
    1. Sat dish
    2. Quad LNB
    3. Aerial
    4. 5 COAX from Sat and aerial to server location
    5. 1 5x16 switch at server location and terminate all coax from rooms into.
    6. terminate all cable ends with connectors

    Is this the best way to configure this ?
    I'm concerned about signal quality etc.

    ta

    A,

    If you're not bothered about having twin Satellite feeds at each point, why not save a lot of expense on the quattro LNB, Multiswitch and diplexer wall plates and just use:

    1. 60cm Satellite Dish
    2. Octo LNB
    3. Aerial
    4. 8 way distribution box (for aerial feed)
    5. 8 Satellite feeds and 1 Aerial feed from outside to server location.
    6. All ends terminated with 'F' connectors and sent to each room.

    You already have 2 feeds going to each room so no need for diplexers.
    The chances are you might only need a dual satellite feed in one room so if you ever wanted to do that in future, there is a spare Satellite feed left to do it.

    http://www.tvtrade.ie/sky-satellite-dish.html
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/octo-lnb.html
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/black-wide-band-uhf-aerial.html
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/tv-aerial-wall-bracket.html
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/proception-8-way-tv-amplifier-with-bypass.html
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/alltrade-tv-aerial-and-satellite-combiner.html x2
    http://www.tvtrade.ie/mini-shotgun-cable.html
    41 'F' connectors, 7 'F' joiners, 7 co-ax plugs

    There is a lot of gear required so its going to be pricey enough no matter which way you decide to do it though!


  • #14
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    A multiswitch designed for use with a quattro only, would get nothing but low band vertical from a quad, so there wouldn't even be any point connecting more than that input.

    Switches that work with a quad: probably all of these: http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?page=products&id_kateg=5

    At least some of these: http://www.spaun.de/?lang=en&modul=products&category=3f16a

    I daresay there are more. All they do is permanently send the relevant voltage/tone combo to an lnb output.

    Fair enough but afaik most multiswitches are designed to work with fixed quattro lnbs, not universal quads. The Spauns do both...I see.

    A 5/8 multiswitch will take the four satellite feed inputs and the terrestrial feed combine them and feed that to 8 outputs.

    The OP is using a 5/16 switch and has already fed twin shotgun to each room (expectation of 2 sat outputs to each room). So he will have to split at least one of the shotgun cables in each room with a diplexer in reverse or a wall plate if wanting to split the terrestrial signal back out from that particular cable.


  • #15
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Finne1993 wrote: »
    If you're not bothered about having twin Satellite feeds at each point, why not save a lot of expense on the quattro LNB, Multiswitch and diplexer wall plates . . .

    Wouldn't the cost of the distribution amp. & the extra for the octo over the quad/quattro eat up most of what is saved by leaving out the multiswitch?

    OP, did the installer mention what size & make of dish he would use?


  • #16
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    Peter Rhea wrote: »

    OP, did the installer mention what size & make of dish he would use?


    He said it would be the next size up than the standard Sky dish,and mentioned something about horizontal and vertical.
    Im sorry thats probably useless info as the breakdown is on my desk in work.


  • #17
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Agueroooo wrote: »
    He said it would be the next size up than the standard Sky dish

    Yes, it's recommended that the 'next size up' dish be used with a multiswitch. Would be an 80cm in that case.


  • #18
    Agueroooo
    Site Banned Posts: 4,925 ✭✭✭Agueroooo


    Oh thanks guys for all the help.

    I think I will stick with the original spec/config.


  • #19
    Finne1993
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Finne1993


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Wouldn't the cost of the distribution amp. & the extra for the octo over the quad/quattro eat up most of what is saved by leaving out the multiswitch?

    Still a big difference, with the quattro LNB you need an 80cm dish and wall bracket so its much the same price as a sky dish and octo LNB.
    The multiswitch is at least €100 more expensive than a distribution amp and then you still have to spend another €60-€70 on wallplates.

    The multiswitch option could possibly end out costing the OP €200 more than the other option. Don't get me wrong, the multiswitch option is a great set up and is the one I would probably go for myself but perhaps its a bit of an unnecessary expense for the OP's needs.

    So OP if money isn't a issue go for the multiswitch set up and if it is an issue and you only need the twin satellite feed in your main room go for the second option!

    Best of luck with whichever way you do it!


  • #20
    Peter Rhea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Finne1993 wrote: »
    Still a big difference, with the quattro LNB you need an 80cm dish and wall bracket so its much the same price as a sky dish and octo LNB.
    The multiswitch is at least €100 more expensive than a distribution amp and then you still have to spend another €60-€70 on wallplates.

    The bigger dish is used to provide a better signal/noise ratio to compensate for the extra stage of electronics introduced by the multiswitch. An installer could use a quad-compatible switch with a Sky dish & lnb but, weaker transponders would probably suffer.

    I mentioned this already but, using the multiswitch, couldn't the wallplates be done without where only a single sat. feed is needed? Don't think the sat. IF would trouble the tv tuner in any way.


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