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N5 Westport - Bohola scheme, CPO Published

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  • #2
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,777 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Surely other parts of the N5 are higher priority ie the sections through Roscommon etc? The ones they are always complaining about from mayo.


  • #3
    Carawaystick
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    road_high wrote: »
    Surely other parts of the N5 are higher priority ie the sections through Roscommon etc? The ones they are always complaining about from mayo.

    Well P Flynn got the road from Castlebar east upgraded
    You'ld imagine India reckons he could do better. Anyway the Rosie's can only vote for Ming, not Inda


  • #4
    annfield1978
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    Definitely needed, westport is a major tourist town and access is very poor


  • #5
    veryangryman
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    annfield1978 wrote: »
    Definitely needed, westport is a major tourist town and access is very poor

    Same argument could be made for the roscommon section. Tulsk to ballaghadreen. Fix that and one can travel Dublin to athlone to westport with only 20 miles or so of bad road.


  • #6
    YouTookMyName
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,361 ✭✭✭YouTookMyName


    there's a lot of historic sites around tulsk thats making it tough for plans.


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  • #7
    Jayuu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    road_high wrote: »
    Surely other parts of the N5 are higher priority ie the sections through Roscommon etc? The ones they are always complaining about from mayo.

    Mayo Co. Co. are hardly going to upgrade roads in Co. Roscommon are they.


  • #8
    veryangryman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,682 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    Jayuu wrote: »
    Mayo Co. Co. are hardly going to upgrade roads in Co. Roscommon are they.
    National road upgrades are fronted by the NRA hence the N in the abbreviation


  • #9
    Jayuu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    veryangryman wrote: »
    National road upgrades are fronted by the NRA hence the N in the abbreviation

    But if Mayo County Council are providing the finance the question still stands.

    Is this not similar to the M1 upgrade to Junction 4. Was this not done by Fingal Co. Co as opposed to an NRA project even though it was on a national route?


  • #10
    6541
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭6541


    On a side note, once again corrupt Ireland is on the go! I know for fact people who were tipped off about this project ages ago and purchased land on the route in full knowledge of what was coming down the road, (pun intended)


  • #11
    L1011
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    6541 wrote: »
    On a side note, once again corrupt Ireland is on the go! I know for fact people who were tipped off about this project ages ago and purchased land on the route in full knowledge of what was coming down the road, (pun intended)

    Define "ages ago".


    Considering the rough plan for this dates to the Road Needs Study 15 years ago - no earlier than that - anyone who sold below market value in the intervening years are the only people to blame. Its not like the people who bought the land are going to get more than market value - and in some cases I suspect they're going to have a massive loss on their hands.

    Some of the specific route design dates to ~2005 but would have been done by an outside consultancy.


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  • #12
    monument
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    Jayuu wrote: »
    But if Mayo County Council are providing the finance the question still stands.

    And where is Mayo County Council getting this money to build new roads?


  • #13
    Jayuu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    monument wrote: »
    And where is Mayo County Council getting this money to build new roads?

    The same question would still apply to the Fingal County Council upgrade on M1. I'm sure that money came from a central reserve.

    What Mayo County Council choose to do with the money they get from the central funding pot is their business. In this case they seem to have allocated some of this to a road improvement on the N5. The original poster was wondering why this section was being done instead of a section in Roscommon. I was simply pointing out that it was being done because Mayo County Council were paying for it and naturally they were going to improve roads in their own county.

    If he wants the road improved in Roscommon perhaps he should talk to Roscommon County Council.


  • #14
    monument
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,097 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    Jayuu wrote: »
    ... In this case they seem to have allocated some of this to a road improvement on the N5...

    More than just the design and planning work?
    Jayuu wrote: »
    The same question would still apply to the Fingal County Council upgrade on M1. I'm sure that money came from a central reserve.

    What Mayo County Council choose to do with the money they get from the central funding pot is their business. In this case they seem to have allocated some of this to a road improvement on the N5. The original poster was wondering why this section was being done instead of a section in Roscommon. I was simply pointing out that it was being done because Mayo County Council were paying for it and naturally they were going to improve roads in their own county.

    If he wants the road improved in Roscommon perhaps he should talk to Roscommon County Council.

    I'm open to correction on this:

    While a county council can push one thing or another etc etc, for a project of this size the money is allocated centrally for X and must be spent on X and X alone.

    This is not like the local road improvement allocated, which is left to the county to direct the funds where they want.


  • #15
    Jayuu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 770 ✭✭✭Jayuu


    monument wrote: »
    I'm open to correction on this:

    While a county council can push one thing or another etc etc, for a project of this size the money is allocated centrally for X and must be spent on X and X alone.

    This is not like the local road improvement allocated, which is left to the county to direct the funds where they want.

    That's what I was trying to find out as well. If this is extra money allocated out of the roads budget then how do decisions like that get made.


  • #16
    dubhthach
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    veryangryman wrote: »
    Same argument could be made for the roscommon section. Tulsk to ballaghadreen. Fix that and one can travel Dublin to athlone to westport with only 20 miles or so of bad road.

    Which just happens to run through a proposed UNESCO world heritage site.

    cruachan-ai.png


  • #17
    veryangryman
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    dubhthach wrote: »
    Which just happens to run through a proposed UNESCO world heritage site.

    cruachan-ai.png

    I dont quite understand this. Would a road widening (were talking about max 2 metres here) really do damage to these sites? This isnt DC or anything close


  • #18
    dubhthach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭dubhthach


    The site is choc ablock with known national mounments let alone the ones that haven't been recorded let. That enclosure was only found using geophys, the structure at the center (buried under main-mound) resembles that also seen at Eamhain Mhaca and Dún Ailinne.

    cruachan.png

    The N5 also abuts directly onto Rath Mór

    rath_mor_mound.jpg

    See:
    Rathcroghan Archaeological Complex Conservation Study
    http://www.ahg.gov.ie/ie/Foilseachain/FoilseachainOidhreachta/SeadchomharthaiNaisiunta/37.%20The%20Rathcroghan%20Conservation%20Study.pdf


  • #19
    dubhthach
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    Lotusm has a good post with what Roscommon County council preferred route corridor, as can been seen it appears to give Cruachan Ai a wide berth.
    lotusm wrote: »
    Got a brochure from the National roads design office in Roscommon outlining the route from Ballaghaderreen to strokestown . Now this is a few years old and appears to be at stage 3 at the time "Route Corridor Selection"... Not sure how relevant it is but see attached details..

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=81560600&postcount=90


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